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bren-f - diamond dust (icone's dusty instr mix)

Hey all,

Here's a clip of my latest remix I did for Bren :

bren-f-diamond_dust__icones_dusty_remix_clip__128kbps_

Let me know what you think of it

Greetz,
Wim / LW

sounds gud to me, everythings perfect

its just simpley trance, nothing to it, nothing original that stands out exceptionally, if you get what i mean.

still good work, keep it up

eyyy... gimme the full hifi track... NNOOOOOOOOOWWWWWWW
sounds great man

Thanks Ande & dbl.

Bren asked me not to post the full track, sorry. Depends on what happens to the original

this is very well produced, everything sounds nice and polished but i think that it takes a lil too long for the main tune to come in, the breakdown is far too long, other than this, its a very good tune, well done

The Icone sound is really getting overused already.

Well Wim, you style has really been developed over time. Technically, it sounds full and fresh, but since I've been listening to Trance for years, I'm not too amazed anymore.


Overall - it sounds nice man. Keep up the good work.

U already know what I think of this mate

Quality

Once I have remastered the orig. I'm gonna send it off along with your remix & the JOC mix off to the big cheese at Discharge

quote:

Originally posted by Mr.Mystery The Icone sound is really getting overused already.

you have a point.

although i think every track wim releases is better than the previous one. this one as well, technically he didn't put a foot wrong. there's of course the general icone sound that keeps coming back, but every track has new refreshing elements and details that make them unique. this time again, you can hear there's all sorts of new elements he's experimenting with, and at the same time he keeps the general sound icone stands for. that's what makes M.I.K.E a great artist, and wim has started to do the same thing for a few months now..

in other words, excellent track!

Thanks for lending me your thoughts guys

leedearn :: everything is a little stretched in the main section, because there is only one like it in the entire track. But of cours,e you couldn't hear this in the short sample.

Mr.Mystery :: if you only come here to say that and think it would be something like Bedrock or DJ Scot Project, I think it's better to stay away and say nothing... Icone is Icone, I admit it and I won't change anything about its 'sound'. I'm sorry if this is not what you want, but this is how it is.

Bren :: Glad you like it mate, my pleasure for the remix I asked Sarah for those vocals, she'll record them at better quality asap. When I have them, I will send them to you, if you still need them of course.

Kev :: I'm glad you see my point... If I would make something totally different with Icone, it wouldn't be Icone anymore. As so, you will hear Icone every time there's an Icone track or remix. I thought an artist's style was to do it this way? M.I.K.E.'s recognizing sounds always keep coming back - that's what makes him himself. Even with his different alter ego's (Push, Plastic Boy, MIKE, The Snapper, ...). Airbase kind of does the same thing - nobody ever seems to complain about that.


If you don't wanna hear Icone, don't download an Icone track - simple I think... Isn't this with all artists?

Thanks again for the comments!

quote:

Originally posted by Lightworks Thanks for lending me your thoughts guys If you don't wanna hear Icone, don't download an Icone track - simple I think... Isn't this with all artists? Thanks again for the comments!

those statements are quite contradictory, if you put your track up you have to take the good comments with the bad mate.

i would dish out some feedback but the link dunnit werk

edit: nevermind it does...

comments are as follows:

i agree it does sound very iconey, the gated synth could do with a bit less phase + there seems to be not much power when it kicks in although i cant really tell from 3s worth. nice break tho + use of the pro-53 nitro sound so much for changing the kick try adding some body and bass to the synth rather than expanding the high end so much to give it a more rounded sound as it feels slightly detached from the mix, nice work tho

Thanks for the comment Luke

Should I add more mid-low freqs, like around 200-400 Hz maybe? Thicken the lead a bit more. I'm having a bit trouble adding deep bass to my basslines, maybe it's the samples that aren't good for every bassline, I don't know.

I don't say I won't take bad comment, I really like constructive comments (like yours). I just didn't really have much to build on from that particular post, so I don't really know what to do with it... If you know what I mean. For example, does that mean I have to go pure hardtrance or chillout with Icone or something else, with a totally different sound?

laterz,
Wim

Gotta agree with Luke about the less phase on the thingy-ma-bob. It seems to be drawing my concentration away from the actual melody.

Still sounding great though. Can't fault anything else...

to get deeper bass simply add a bass as a sub, something simple like one of the 3xOSC presets like pure bass 7 or 8 will do the trick, just make the note 2 16ths long and place it on the off kick...

eg.
kick x---x---x---x---
bass --BB--BB--BB-BB-

the bass is one whole note tho,

put the sub on a separate fx channel, 7 band eq is good to sort this, turn all but the 2 lowest freq. down and turn them up as necessary, make sure there is no delay or reverb on that.

u may want to do this on proper stereo speakers or summat so can compare the low frequences accurately to other songs.

also, lose the shakers, they are well fruity

and don't be scared to boost the bass of the lead aswell as the mid to give it more bite

if u wanna do a collab i'd be more than willing to abuse you at every step of the way

good remix, well done wim-always impressing.
i think what people are trying to say is as good as the icone sound is, maybe a different approach and sounds (i.e kick shakers 16ths basses instead of sub basses or off basses)
also, the compression on the latest icone tracks seem very crunchy...if this is the word-maybe a more cleaner softer trance sound-less harsh?

but i love all icone stuff anyway...these are just some useless comments

Luke :: I will try that mate, thanks! I did add some sub bass already to some tracks, but due to compression it doesn't always come through as it should. Perhaps I shouldn't compress it at all? I didn't know shakers could be 'fruity'... It's not any fruity samples hehe. But I see what you're getting at.

John :: I see your point mate. I did use some different synths in this one I thought? Gotta check out that T-Racks preset, it is causing me nothing but trouble so it seems on that compression thing...

You gotta fill me in on those basses though, cause I have not too much knowledge of that "pro-music-talk"

hehe, its not pro at all wim, more like rubbish talk :P

basically most of ur icone tracks have basses in a 16th pattern arpeggiator?
like in 1 kick
|--|--|--|--|
b b b b

some times its interesting to randomly place softer bass notes and put loads of delay on them and it usually sounds better than an aggressive gouryella/icone style du dun ni ni bass
if u get me .
more bass synth and less bass bass.

that might sound dumb....but it works!

Nice work on this one Wim... very trancey... very smooth, well produced... this is my first time hearing anythig under 'Icone' and I must say I like it!

Any other aliases you're using now?

John :: my basses don't really have arps, some of them have; others just have a similar structure, but more something from the top of my head. I'll give it a shot, thanks!

Boy Trance :: thanls mate, glad you like it. i'm not using any of my other aliases right now actually, today everything is 'icone'

Here's some pictures of basslines I used in Icone tracks :

http://users.skynet.be/lightworks/basslines.zip

HI!!

nice song again hope we can njoy the full release too


tip from me : delete these snare sounds i totally know it!! listen trance made in 2003 no snare and reverse cymbals

replace these samples or LAYER these with different sounds

i do that in my trax already about half of year and i love it!!


--
sebra

Top notch stuff as usual

Stick to THIS sound Wim, itll be worth it in the end....

Sebraaa12 :: thanks for the idea and your comment! it's not that because they don't use it that's it's forbidden though. i don't know about snarerolls, but i do hear alot of reversed cumbals lately

Bryan :: thanks mate, i'll do my best.

quote:

Originally posted by Sebraaa12 HI!! nice song again hope we can njoy the full release too tip from me : delete these snare sounds i totally know it!! listen trance made in 2003 no snare and reverse cymbals replace these samples or LAYER these with different sounds i do that in my trax already about half of year and i love it!! -- sebra

I'm sorry, I disagree with that entirely. Just because the TYPE of trance you listen to doesn't have SNARES in it, doesn't mean that ALL types don't. Lightworks will put together whatever HE likes to listen to, and what sounds right to him.

quote:

Originally posted by Boy trance I'm sorry, I disagree with that entirely. Just because the TYPE of trance you listen to doesn't have SNARES in it, doesn't mean that ALL types don't. Lightworks will put together whatever HE likes to listen to, and what sounds right to him.

That's absolutely true. That's like putting a lock, and chain on him, and restricting him. So, snare rolls, and reverse cymbals/crashes are forbidden?!!?!


I'll be honest - I wasn't too much of a fan of the Lightworks sound early on in the year, but after Merivia, it grew on me. Lately, Wim's style has been improving, and he can only improve more and more.


At times, the 'Icone' sound does sound a bit familiar to me (borrowing many elements from todays uplifting trance) but I do understand this is what you like. This music is your style, and don't change if you feel 'forced' to. Some people experiment, and dabble with many styles, which is good and bad depending on how the artist(s) accomplish this.


An example of this: if an artist has a particular sound, with a fan base, neglects that sound, and works with another style perhaps they will lose that fan base with the changed sound, thus leaving the fans dissapointed. Artists I can think of, that have done this.


Outkast (A U.S. Hip-Hop group from ATL - now released a double disc, which is getting great reviews from some, and shunned by some fans because the sounds are too unorthadox)

Metallica (We all know that in the Black Album "It Doesn't Really Matter" was a soft song. Due to the fact that plenty of Metallica fans loved it's hardcore feel, they cussed, and spat on Metallica after they heard 'violins, and strings' in their hit single.)

Change of style is good, or bad to listeners. You may lose some fans, but you may get some new fans, who like this new 'change'.



My point - Wim, do what you gotta do, don't change, or kneel down under pressure, or else everything you do afterwards is more contrived and unnatural.

Keep up the good work in that respect! -Mental

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