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Bring EM ON!!!!!!

Honestly this is reason enough to kick this prick out of office...








I wonder how all those military familes feel? I have not talked to my aunt (whose son is in Iraq) about it, but I can only imagine.

he really said that?!?!? fucking moron



then they say why do they hate us? why do they want to kill us?

in times of crisis, every word must be carefully chosen as not to throw oil on the fire

A Former Special Forces Soldier Responds to Bush's Invitation for Iraqis to Attack US Troops
"Bring 'Em On?"
By STAN GOFF

In 1970, when I arrived at my unit, Company A, 4th Battalion/503rd Infantry, 173rd Airborne Brigade, in what was then the Republic of Vietnam, I was charged up for a fight. I believed that if we didn't stop the communists in Vietnam, we'd eventually be fighting this global conspiracy in the streets of Hot Springs, Arkansas. I'd been toughened by Basic Training, Infantry Training and Parachute Training, taught how to use my weapons and equipment, and I was confident in my ability to vanquish the skinny unter-menschen. So I was dismayed when one of my new colleagues--a veteran who'd been there ten months--told me, "We are losing this war."

Not only that, he said, if I wanted to survive for my one year there, I had to understand one very basic thing. All Vietnamese were the enemy, and for us, the grunts on the ground, this was a race war. Within one month, it was apparent that everything he told me was true, and that every reason that was being given to the American public for the war was not true.

We had a battalion commander whom I never saw. He would fly over in a Loach helicopter and give cavalier instructions to do things like "take your unit 13 kilometers to the north." In the Central Highlands, 13 kilometers is something we had to hack out with machetes, in 98-degree heat, carrying sometimes 90 pounds over our body weights, over steep, slippery terrain. The battalion commander never picked up a machete as far as we knew, and after these directives he'd fly back to an air-conditioned headquarters in LZ English near Bong-son. We often fantasized together about shooting his helicopter down as a way of relieving our deep resentment against this faceless, starched and spit-shined despot.

Yesterday, when I read that US Commander-in-Chief George W. Bush, in a moment of blustering arm-chair machismo, sent a message to the 'non-existent' Iraqi guerrillas to "bring 'em on," the first image in my mind was a 20-year-old soldier in an ever-more-fragile marriage, who'd been away from home for 8 months. He participated in the initial invasion, and was told he'd be home for the 4th of July. He has a newfound familiarity with corpses, and everything he thought he knew last year is now under revision. He is sent out into the streets of Fallujah (or some other city), where he has already been shot at once or twice with automatic weapons or an RPG, and his nerves are raw. He is wearing Kevlar and ceramic body armor, a Kevlar helmet, a load carrying harness with ammunition, grenades, flex-cuffs, first-aid gear, water, and assorted other paraphernalia. His weapon weighs seven pounds, ten with a double magazine. His boots are bloused, and his long-sleeve shirt is buttoned at the wrist. It is between 100-110 degrees Fahrenheit at midday. He's been eating MRE's three times a day, when he has an appetite in this heat, and even his urine is beginning to smell like preservatives. Mosquitoes and sand flies plague him in the evenings, and he probably pulls a guard shift every night, never sleeping straight through. He and his comrades are beginning to get on each others' nerves. The rumors of 'going-home, not-going-home' are keeping him on an emotional roller coaster. Directives from on high are contradictory, confusing, and often stupid. The whole population seems hostile to him and he is developing a deep animosity for Iraq and all its people--as well as for official narratives.

This is the lad who will hear from someone that George W. Bush, dressed in a suit with a belly full of rich food, just hurled a manly taunt from a 72-degree studio at the 'non-existent' Iraqi resistance.

This de facto president is finally seeing his poll numbers fall. Even chauvinist paranoia has a half-life, it seems. His legitimacy is being eroded as even the mainstream press has discovered now that the pretext for the war was a lie. It may have been control over the oil, after all. Anti-war forces are regrouping as an anti-occupation movement. Now, exercising his one true talent--blundering--George W. Bush has begun the improbable process of alienating the very troops upon whom he depends to carry out the neo-con ambition of restructuring the world by arms.

Somewhere in Balad, or Fallujah, or Baghdad, there is a soldier telling a new replacement, "We are losing this war."

This was a while ago wasn't it?

Tell that to my cousin with a bullseye painted on his chest (metaphorically speaking).

Besides Malek didn't know about it, so not everyone knows about it.

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Originally posted by DaveSaenz Tell that to my cousin with a bullseye painted on his chest (metaphorically speaking). Besides Malek didn't know about it, so not everyone knows about it.

But if it's anti-Bush crider will always find some sort of fault with it. It makes one wonder who or what he's really serving because it's obviously not the best interests of our country.


Go Bush!

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Originally posted by Trancer-X But if it's anti-Bush crider will always find some sort of fault with it. It makes one wonder who or what he's really serving because it's obviously not the best interests of our country. Go Bush!

You are truly a jackass. If you've READ this forum you would realise that I've echoed anti-bush sentiments NUMEROUS times. I was remarking that I thought this phrase was first spoken a while ago and as a matter of fact, Bush said it back on July 2nd.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/w...2¬Found=true

Now then, as for whose interests I serve, I serve NOONE's. Unlike you, I don't follow a leftist/rightist/anythingness agenda because ANY political ideaology is just plain stupid, and ANYBODY who votes/acts according to their political ideaology rather than taking impartial, educated stances to issues does their country a great disservice. So with that, I shall make a rare departure from my usual demeanor, and say F U C K YOU for insinuating that my actions are not taken with what I perceive to be the best interests of my country.

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Originally posted by occrider You are truly a jackass. If you've READ this forum you would realise that I've echoed anti-bush sentiments NUMEROUS times. I was remarking that I thought this phrase was first spoken a while ago and as a matter of fact, Bush said it back on July 2nd. http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/w...2¬Found=true Now then, as for whose interests I serve, I serve NOONE's. Unlike you, I don't follow a leftist/rightist/anythingness agenda because ANY political ideaology is just plain stupid, and ANYBODY who votes/acts according to their political ideaology rather than taking impartial, educated stances to issues does their country a great disservice. So with that, I shall make a rare departure from my usual demeanor, and say F U C K YOU for insinuating that my actions are not taken with what I perceive to be the best interests of my country.

Careful old man, remember your blood pressure. Don't want to set off your pacemaker once again!

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Originally posted by MisterOpus1 Careful old man, remember your blood pressure. Don't want to set off your pacemaker once again!

Haha ... I really DID have this expression on my face:

Or actually maybe this one ...



Yes ... I was feeling kind of ashcrofty

And now that I've calmed down ... it's time to do the bush dance.






C'mon ... how can you not love this guy?

You'd be dancing too.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/b...50p-25068c.html

http://www.bizjournals.com/dallas/s...editorial3.html

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-sr.../bush073199.htm

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Originally posted by Trancer-X You'd be dancing too.

Yea I already said I was ...

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http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/b...50p-25068c.html http://www.bizjournals.com/dallas/s...editorial3.html http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-sr.../bush073199.htm

What does this have to do with the earlier argument? You would win if I had stated earlier that Bush is squeaky clean, but I didn't. As a matter of fact, how did sports even enter the thread? Am I missing a deleted post or something?

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Originally posted by occrider Am I missing a deleted post or something?

Don't look at me! I haven't been here!

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Originally posted by Echo of Silence Don't look at me! I haven't been here!

Liar! I saw what you did to orbax! [squinting]I've got my eye on you .... [/squinting]

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Originally posted by occrider Yea I already said I was ... What does this have to do with the earlier argument? You would win if I had stated earlier that Bush is squeaky clean, but I didn't. As a matter of fact, how did sports even enter the thread? Am I missing a deleted post or something?

I said you'd be dancing too if you were Dubya. Which argument are YOU talking about, that Bush is a jackass? <-(the original thread's argument)

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Originally posted by Trancer-X I said you'd be dancing too if you were Dubya. Which argument are YOU talking about, that Bush is a jackass? <-(the original thread's argument)

Ah ok I see ... then I retract my confusion. I thought you were arguing that I support bush. But I agree with your Bush is a jackass assessment ...

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Originally posted by occrider And now that I've calmed down ... it's time to do the bush dance. C'mon ... how can you not love this guy?

They have the "daily Bushisms" calendar at work....it is fubby as hell how dumb he is.

MrS

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Originally posted by DaveSaenz Honestly this is reason enough to kick this prick out of office... I wonder how all those military familes feel? I have not talked to my aunt (whose son is in Iraq) about it, but I can only imagine.

For what it's worth, most of the soldiers in the military, as well as their families, know damn well what their choice of service means, and what the potential consequences could ultimately be. However, they believe that it is an honor to serve. While their families may endure great sadness if anything happens to their loved ones, they generally also take great pride in the fact that their loved ones choose such an honorable path. Besides, it is each and every man's(not a sexist remark) decision what they choose to do with their own life--so if they choose to be a soldier, then that's their decision to be a soldier. Let's not forget that the U.S. Military is a volunteer organization.

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Originally posted by Shakka For what it's worth, most of the soldiers in the military, as well as their families, know damn well what their choice of service means, and what the potential consequences could ultimately be. However, they believe that it is an honor to serve. While their families may endure great sadness if anything happens to their loved ones, they generally also take great pride in the fact that their loved ones choose such an honorable path. Besides, it is each and every man's(not a sexist remark) decision what they choose to do with their own life--so if they choose to be a soldier, then that's their decision to be a soldier. Let's not forget that the U.S. Military is a volunteer organization.

while i agree with you, i'm not entirely sure how this is relevent. The problem isn't that the soldiers are complaining. The problem is that Bush unnecessarily put the lives of all american troops in Iraq at even greater risk by taunting the terrorist factions that still exist just because he has a hard-on for war.

I don't think he's necessarily got a "hard-on" for war, as you put it. More that he's just going full on to make sure that the U.S. doesn't have to experience another September 11th. Is he going to far? Only time will tell.

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Originally posted by nic01445 while i agree with you, i'm not entirely sure how this is relevent. The problem isn't that the soldiers are complaining. The problem is that Bush unnecessarily put the lives of all american troops in Iraq at even greater risk by taunting the terrorist factions that still exist just because he has a hard-on for war.

You said basically everything that I was thinking.

A soldier also wants to feel that the cause he or she is fighting for is an honerable one.

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Originally posted by Shakka I don't think he's necessarily got a "hard-on" for war, as you put it. More that he's just going full on to make sure that the U.S. doesn't have to experience another September 11th. Is he going to far? Only time will tell.

and you don't think that by further inciting radical-Islamic passions he's not at the same time guaranteeing that it will happen again?

hmmmmmm

I just found out that the media is censored by the pentagon from covering the flag-draped caskets returning home...I was wondering why they never showed that on the news.



The American public needs to see that imo.

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Originally posted by DaveSaenz I just found out that the media is censored by the pentagon from covering the flag-draped caskets returning home...I was wondering why they never showed that on the news. The American public needs to see that imo.

i heard an interview NPR did with the guy who writes The Boondocks talking about this same thing. It's sad really, the way that the first few dead americans were proudly shown off on TV. "These are our fallen patriots." Now, we cant show the caskets, with american flags draped over them. Why? because its "slanderous to the soldiers." its "hurting the campaign" to see all these people dying. We're "bringing down" the cause. Why are the lives of earlier soldiers more valuable than the latter?

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