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Posted by DJ Tequila on Nov-20-2003 11:11:

Trying to get a 303 sound

This is the 303 sound that's always done it for me:

http://www.djtequila.com/sounds/303.mp3

Does anyone know what combination of 303 settings and distortion I need to re-create it?

T*


Posted by hey cheggy on Nov-20-2003 16:06:

Yeah man, that's not too hard. Are you using a TB or a clone? Cos clones tend to not be so great at getting that sound.

Tune - About 12 o'clock
Cutoff - Start at 7 o'clock and move clockwise to make it squeel
Resonance - 5 o'clock
Envelope Modulation - 12:30
Decay - 11:30
Accent - Only to be used if you want certain notes more pronounced than others. Using accent is good for making that "wow" sound.

Distortion is the key. I use rebirth myself, where amount would be about 3 o'clock while shape would be at 9 o'clock. These setting should end up with that sound. Its just a matter of getting the notes right.

Also, if you're into 303's, have a listen to my lastest track, its packed full of em.



Link to my latest song


Posted by hey cheggy on Nov-20-2003 16:16:

Actually, you might want to make the decay a little higher as well. Will give it more of a lead sound than the traditional 303 pop.


Posted by KilldaDJ on Nov-20-2003 18:42:

King

delay and distortion is teh key here...ive done some 303 work and got some real phat acid sounds before with the 3xosc

theres some tutorial in fl that tells u how to make a 303 with a meer 3xosc


Posted by Joi Lamusic on Nov-20-2003 19:25:

Wow...That was nice 303 sound

So...eerrmm... U make 303 sound with Fruity Loops?


Posted by DJ Tequila on Nov-20-2003 23:34:

Damn, dude! The only foldback distortion I have access to is in Reason. And that has no audio input. I know I could sample and drop it into a NN19, but that's not a very creative way of working.

So, anyone know any good foldback distortion plugins? DX or VST, preferably freeware/shareware but I'll consider commercial...

Heh, I even got a guitar pedal specially. Overdrive and distortion...

It sounds really good, but it's not THAT sound.



T*


Posted by DJ Tequila on Nov-20-2003 23:39:

3 oscs to get a 303 sound? The 303 only has one oscillator. It would be better to find out the shape of the raw 'saw' and 'square' waves, and the filter characteristics.

You could do it in a good sampler. Just find a sample of an unfiltered 303 with no res, cut out one cycle of the base waveform, load it into the sampler, loop it, and set your filter to 12dB/octave. I think. (Is it 12? 16? I can't remember.) As long as your filter can self-oscillate, you should start to get close.

T*


Posted by hey cheggy on Nov-21-2003 02:54:

Tequila, what are you using to make this. Are you using a tb-303?


Posted by Luke Terry on Nov-21-2003 10:21:

Cool

quote:
Originally posted by DJ Tequila
3 oscs to get a 303 sound? The 303 only has one oscillator. It would be better to find out the shape of the raw 'saw' and 'square' waves, and the filter characteristics.

You could do it in a good sampler. Just find a sample of an unfiltered 303 with no res, cut out one cycle of the base waveform, load it into the sampler, loop it, and set your filter to 12dB/octave. I think. (Is it 12? 16? I can't remember.) As long as your filter can self-oscillate, you should start to get close.

T*


on the 3xOSC, u can use 1, 2 or 3 osciallators.


Posted by Joi Lamusic on Nov-21-2003 11:50:

So...Are U making those 303 sounds with Fruity Loops? I know that there are some 3x osc synths..


Posted by Luke Terry on Nov-21-2003 12:40:

Cool

if you want really fucked up 303 sounds, dont be afraid to use other waveforms than just teh sawtooth, the square wave often produces rather mint sounds too


Posted by DJ Tequila on Nov-21-2003 13:06:

quote:
Originally posted by hey cheggy
Tequila, what are you using to make this. Are you using a tb-303?


That I am. Although I only have access to it for a short time, so I need to make the most of it.

Having a play last night, I found a large amount of tuned noise was added when running it through distortion. The noise changed timbre in time with the flashing lights... When not in 'run' mode, the noise disappeared. Anyone know how to minimise this?

Also, it's been retro-fitted. Although I'm getting a midi signal at my MIDI->CV unit, I can't get a note out of the TB303. Does it have to be in any particular mode for this to work?

T*


Posted by hey cheggy on Nov-21-2003 15:40:

What mod does it have. Is it like a devilfish mod. I was under the impression that these were so that you can sync it with something other than a 606 through the midi CV gate, letting you start/stop it, but the notes need to be entered in the 303 itself.

As for using things like 3-osc to make a 303, its not the same. Heaps of synths can make acid sounds, but they won't make a 303 sound. there is a difference between acid and 303.


Posted by DJ Tequila on Nov-21-2003 17:20:

It's a retrofit. Basically it's got CV inputs for gate, note, and filter cut-off.

I have a device for converting MIDI to gate info.

T*


Posted by xls on Nov-21-2003 21:15:

Is it one of the Kenton midi>CV converters? Are you trying to run patterns or play the notes through a midi keyboard?


Posted by MaxC on Nov-22-2003 00:27:

While we're on the topic, does anyone know of a good VSTi emulation of a TB-303?


Posted by hey cheggy on Nov-22-2003 02:02:

quote:
Originally posted by MaxC
While we're on the topic, does anyone know of a good VSTi emulation of a TB-303?


Rebirth. Its not VST, you have to run it through rewire.


Posted by Joi Lamusic on Nov-22-2003 09:24:

Satan (eek!)

So..No-one wanna answer my question... so I take it NO, U don't use Fruity Loops for making those 303 sounds...

So are U all using tb-303?? And it is hardware?


Posted by DJ-Fuq on Nov-22-2003 12:07:

People still actually like the 303 sound???


Posted by Damie Mckeown on Nov-22-2003 12:15:

You can get so many sounds from a 303 that I dont know what a 303 sound really is.


Posted by hey cheggy on Nov-22-2003 15:13:

quote:
Originally posted by Damie Mckeown
You can get so many sounds from a 303 that I dont know what a 303 sound really is.


Yes,a 303 is a monophonic bassline synth that can make a lot of sounds, but when people talk about the "303" sound, they are referring to acid.

And yes, people still enjoy acid. Heaps of psy and goa comes from 303s, a lot of german trance basslines come from a TB-303. Its one of the most redicuously overpriced synths ever, especially considering is runs off bateries, it has no midi capabilities (unless modified), it only has one oscillator running at a time and it was made in 1984.

Joi, I seriously doubt everyone here is using a reall TB-303. Not everyone agrees with this, but just use rebirth. If you know what you're doing, you can get the sweetest damn acid out of it.


Posted by Joi Lamusic on Nov-22-2003 15:19:

Damn, I don't have money to buy Rebirth But I really would LOVE to get those 303 sounds... Anyone know good trix how to get them out of Fruity or Reason?


Posted by hey cheggy on Nov-22-2003 15:54:

You won't get it out of fruity mate. My production partner has been trying for years making psy and acid on fruity. He gets some amazinf sounds out of the Ts-404 but it doesn't compare to a 303. As I said earlier, you can get "acid" sounds out of a lot of machines, but you won't get a 303 out of them. I've tried Tau and wasn't impressed.


Posted by Damie Mckeown on Nov-22-2003 16:48:

There was a 303 software synth attempt in the last issue of Computer music mag, its basic but it sounds 303ish,

I always use one of the sounds from the 'ModWhl Seq. Sounds' Folder in Albino for my 303 sounds


Posted by hey cheggy on Nov-22-2003 17:00:

Yeah, I saw that. CM-303 or something. I was made by the same guys that make Tau Bassline and Tau Pro. Considering it was free with the mag, I fail to see how it could be better than the paid for version of Tau Pro, though I have not listened to it yet.

There are so many 303 clones out there. Its amazing how hard it can be to replicate something made 20 years ago.


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