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Posted by UWM on Nov-30-2003 03:56:

#1 DJ? This is Pathetic.

I know there are several threads that discuss / disintegrate into bashing of our "World's #1 Voted DJ", Tijs Verwest. As I listen to the broadcast of Gatecrasher @ NEC, I feel the need to make another.

This mixing is some of the worst I have ever heard. Apparently beatmatching, cueing, and general skill of any sort are not required at large festivals. I mean, you're raking in 30k Euros for a gig, why try?

Another thing - when you can't even mix into / out of your own track, maybe you should stop and think - those 13 vodka / red bulls actually didn't improve my performance!

I'll end my rant now, as we've come to commercial...




...Thank God.


Posted by torontotrance on Nov-30-2003 03:57:

What a hero eh trancegiant and yaletrance?

explain that?


Posted by Cobalt on Nov-30-2003 04:01:

Thank you. It needed to be said.


Posted by Scottaculous on Nov-30-2003 04:01:

Seems only appropriate the #2 DJ has been playing the same tracks since July.


Posted by INDY on Nov-30-2003 04:04:

quote:
Originally posted by Scottaculous
Seems only apparent the #2 DJ has been playing the same tracks since July.



scott!?!


Posted by Haak on Nov-30-2003 04:09:

i can't help cringing when i hear the mixing of nyana cd2. if i was recording that mix for let's say TA Battle of the DJs i would have trashed it and recorded over. and that's a freaking internation cd release


Posted by DaveSZ on Nov-30-2003 04:10:

PVD vs. Tiesto?


Neither.


There, now we can all go home.


Posted by TeKnoHe@d2025 on Nov-30-2003 04:12:

Lets not let #2 DJ PvD off guard either. He trainwrecked during his set as well.


Posted by Pio on Nov-30-2003 04:13:

quote:
Originally posted by torontotrance
What a hero eh trancegiant and yaletrance?

explain that?


i don't have anything to explain because i haven't heard the set. but even if the set is horrible, that won't change the fact that I esteem Tijs to be the most talented artist in the edm world for reasons that I could write forever about. nevertheless, the guy is human and has many bad nights. i'll tune in now if it's still going on.


Posted by Pio on Nov-30-2003 04:23:

quote:
Originally posted by Haak
i can't help cringing when i hear the mixing of nyana cd2. if i was recording that mix for let's say TA Battle of the DJs i would have trashed it and recorded over. and that's a freaking internation cd release


the mixing in that cd is beautiful and much better for my ears than the mix compilations put out by Armin and Ferry this year. you people are too conservative and don't understand his radical mixing style of melodic/harmonic contrasts. there is not a single trainwreck in that cd, and the flow is perfect for my taste. to top it off, the mixing sounds human, just like in the Magik series and every single Tijs compilation. stuff like this is what makes Tiesto stand out as the brilliant artist he is and makes his competition look stale and bland.


Posted by Steven Hays on Nov-30-2003 04:25:

LOL. Rob, why did you startle Yaletrance? This thread will go on for days!


Posted by UWM on Nov-30-2003 04:30:

Because that was one of the worst sets I have ever heard.

And OMG I'm not even going to begin to that post about how good Nyana is.

quote:
you people are too conservative and don't understand his radical mixing style of melodic/harmonic contrasts


I also must be conservative and not understand how it makes sense to mix from progressive house to hard trance, to techno to uplifting in a set.

It's not a radical mixing style, it's a pile of used baby diapers.


Posted by Fast Turtle on Nov-30-2003 04:31:

bottom line:

MUSIC SUCKS.


Posted by mezzir on Nov-30-2003 04:37:

quote:
Originally posted by DJ Nuclear
bottom line:

MUSIC SUCKS.

[chipmunk]but scooter's not music, so he's still cool
posseeeeeeeeeeeee posseeeeeeeeeee
i neeeeeeed you i neeeeeed you i neeeeeeeeed you
on the flooooooor[/chipmunk]


Posted by Steven Hays on Nov-30-2003 04:40:

quote:
Originally posted by UWM
it's a pile of used baby diapers.


hahhaha. I will use this quote one day in life. Actually I will use it several times. Thats the funniest line I've heard in a while! LMAO.


Posted by Haak on Nov-30-2003 04:40:

quote:
Originally posted by YaleTrance
the mixing in that cd is beautiful and much better for my ears than the mix compilations put out by Armin and Ferry this year. you people are too conservative and don't understand his radical mixing style of melodic/harmonic contrasts. there is not a single trainwreck in that cd, and the flow is perfect for my taste. to top it off, the mixing sounds human


yes, kinda cool that it sounds human, but it just gets annoying when almost half the mixes start slipping and he uses lots of time to correct the beats. ann the mix into solid globe is a couple of beats out of phrase, sounds horrible. the "harmonic" mixing is hardly brilliant, most of them seem out of tune to me. like ATRC intro forever waiting :/
most of the tunes are good though


Posted by mezzir on Nov-30-2003 04:40:

quote:
Originally posted by mezzir
but scooter's not music, so he's still cool
[chipmunk]posseeeeeeeeeeeee posseeeeeeeeeee
i neeeeeeed you i neeeeeed you i neeeeeeeeed you
on the flooooooor[/chipmunk]



omg that was difficult
first i edited it wrong, then i went to correct it and hit quote and didn't notice so i quoted myself saying it right
should be right now tho

edit:fuck


Posted by dJohn on Nov-30-2003 04:47:

quote:
also must be conservative and not understand how it makes sense to mix from progressive house to hard trance, to techno to uplifting in a set.


How bout the fact that YaleTrance is trying to comment on mixing technicalities, rather than flow of style. Understanding Tiesto goes beyond what tracks he selects...it's established from his years of work that his track selection carries his own blend and style. Track selection isn't a problem for Tiesto, it's how he mixes it that makes him stand out.
Moving on, you commented on his selection of genre...it's ashame so many EDM fans categorize this and that, and label him and her and what not...that creates division within opinions, and that's when flames start...look beyond whether or not he mixes progressive house or hard trance and what not. Who cares if he does? I agree that Nyana was a very average mix(and Yale, I disagree with you on the mixing...I've mixed those tunes alot better, I can honestly say), but it doesn't take away from Tiesto's ability that we all know he has.
And no, there's no prog house or hard trance on that compilation, so I don't know where you got those, but if you can look beyond his selction of tracks and genres, you'll find that Tiesto's mixing isn't just about cueing and beatmatching different genres.


Posted by Pio on Nov-30-2003 04:50:

quote:
Originally posted by UWM
Because that was one of the worst sets I have ever heard.

And OMG I'm not even going to begin to that post about how good Nyana is.


I won't comment on a set I haven't heard. And I won't apologize for thinking that Nyana is the only trance mix compilation of 2003 that will survive the test of time.



quote:
I also must be conservative and not understand how it makes sense to mix from progressive house to hard trance, to techno to uplifting in a set.


But it does work because he has made it work time after time. Does mixes make Tiesto who he is. It does wonders in the dancefloor and people love him for that. Like in DD 2-2-2002 when he mixes Plastikman-Spastik into Alibi-Eternity. That was pure genius. Or in Impulz 2002 Umek-Lanicor into In My Memory remix. Or TiC Never Filterheadz remix into Chutney. That sort of thing makes Tiesto better than anyone else in trancedom in my books. And it IS a radical mixing style that only reactionary forces don't seem to appreciate.


Posted by Endlesswave on Nov-30-2003 04:53:

I agree w the first poster. Tiesto was the one that GOT ME INTO the music. His Trance Energy 2000 set is AMAZING, the thing is he lost his consistency when switching within various genres, there's no flow even while doing that with Tiesto. THAT's what makes a dj flexible, versatile and overall a GOOD dj imo. As for radical mixing? That's fine, but the songs have to go well together and there HAS to be flow, somehow otherwise it detracts from the set and it just becomes sudden and shocking to the dancefloor.


Posted by Omegasox on Nov-30-2003 04:54:

quote:
Originally posted by dJohn
How bout the fact that YaleTrance is trying to comment on mixing technicalities, rather than flow of style. Understanding Tiesto goes beyond what tracks he selects...it's established from his years of work that his track selection carries his own blend and style. Track selection isn't a problem for Tiesto, it's how he mixes it that makes him stand out.
Moving on, you commented on his selection of genre...it's ashame so many EDM fans categorize this and that, and label him and her and what not...that creates division within opinions, and that's when flames start...look beyond whether or not he mixes progressive house or hard trance and what not. Who cares if he does? I agree that Nyana was a very average mix(and Yale, I disagree with you on the mixing...I've mixed those tunes alot better, I can honestly say), but it doesn't take away from Tiesto's ability that we all know he has.
And no, there's no prog house or hard trance on that compilation, so I don't know where you got those, but if you can look beyond his selction of tracks and genres, you'll find that Tiesto's mixing isn't just about cueing and beatmatching different genres.


So you're avoiding the fact that he doesn't even bother to beatmatch? I agree he usually has a wonderful flow to his sets, but it appears that he just shows up to collect his money and doesn't bother beatmatching anything. The majority of his sets are amateur at best, there is no point in arguing over it. He has the skills, but he doesn't bother to use them half the time.


Posted by UWM on Nov-30-2003 04:54:

Whilst refering to his gash blend of styles throughout a set I wasn't discussing either of the discs of Nyana, but several of his live performances this year.

And yes, I know all the Tiesto followers think that his mixing is more than beatmatching, cueing, and, well, what 99% of the DJs in the world do. It's some uber-intelligent harmonic and melodic balance that no other DJ can create except your "master".

Bollocks. It sounds like garbage. Maybe to the newbie fans they love it because Tiesto is the daddy of all EDM, but I mean seriously get off your horse and listen to it from an objective point of view.


Posted by ojste on Nov-30-2003 04:57:

if u dont like it, then why do u bother listening...?


Posted by Pio on Nov-30-2003 04:57:

quote:
Originally posted by dJohn
How bout the fact that YaleTrance is trying to comment on mixing technicalities, rather than flow of style. Understanding Tiesto goes beyond what tracks he selects...it's established from his years of work that his track selection carries his own blend and style. Track selection isn't a problem for Tiesto, it's how he mixes it that makes him stand out.
Moving on, you commented on his selection of genre...it's ashame so many EDM fans categorize this and that, and label him and her and what not...that creates division within opinions, and that's when flames start...look beyond whether or not he mixes progressive house or hard trance and what not. Who cares if he does? I agree that Nyana was a very average mix(and Yale, I disagree with you on the mixing...I've mixed those tunes alot better, I can honestly say), but it doesn't take away from Tiesto's ability that we all know he has.
And no, there's no prog house or hard trance on that compilation, so I don't know where you got those, but if you can look beyond his selction of tracks and genres, you'll find that Tiesto's mixing isn't just about cueing and beatmatching different genres.


Good point. But I honestly doubt that you could mix those tunes 'a lot better' because this is not a sport and there's no such thing as 'better'. And I'm sure that no one could mix those tracks in a way I could enjoy them (and I repeat, I'm talking for myself) any better except than Tijs himself. I say this after almost 6 years of being there and doing that, no one's going to convince me otherwise and I don't understand why some of you get offended with my comments. That is all.


Posted by Omegasox on Nov-30-2003 05:02:

quote:
Originally posted by YaleTrance
there's no such thing as 'better'.


I don't understand that. If someone trainwrecks through a whole set, and someone molds them into a wonderful flow, they obviously mixed them better.


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