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Well, there's always going to be debate on what should be there, if anything at all, but I think it's a pretty breathtaking replacement. I'll be anxious to see it once it's complete. Your thoughts?

I am fully in favor of the design, out of the ashes of such despair the purpose should be rebirth, as well as commemoration. The World will see the spirit of the American people and New Yorkers rise out of Lower Manahattan once again. I look forward to this project and the end result, especially the 1776 Towers and the Memorial site.

I think it's an interesting design. I'm not that fond of it, but it is a hell of a lot better than the original proposals.

My own personal opinion is that the two WTC towers should have been rebuilt on the old site, with memorials at the top. But as companies quickly relocated where they could find office space after 9/11, many aren't coming back to the city, so the two towers wouldn't make the best financial sense. (Regardless, I think the idea to recreate almost all of the old office space, something like 10m sq.ft.)

The 1776 foot height is a great idea. It will make it the worlds tallest building, at least until something gets built that's higher. Granted, the spire will make up a good portion of the 1776 feet. But then again, the spire is the reason the Petronas towers in Kuala Lumpur are classified as taller than the Sears Tower. (The Sears' antennas don't count as a spire).

One interesting note. Do you remember the drawings that got passed around the internet after 9/11 that showed a rebuilt mockup of the towers in the shape of a middle finger? According to one commentator, that effect will be created by the one tall tower, and the 4 surrounding buildings. I love it - New York showing the world where to stick it.

Here's another pic. Look at the size of even the smaller buildings. This is still going to create a huge amount of office space. The next tallest building is going to be about 70 stories as well, but with a huge amount of area per floor.

I suppose the "freedom" tower sounds somewhat better than the "french" tower

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Originally posted by occrider I suppose the "freedom" tower sounds somewhat better than the "french" tower

Oh I dunno. I think it'd mesh quite nicely with the "French" Statue of Liberty, tbh.

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Originally posted by Renegade Oh I dunno. I think it'd mesh quite nicely with the "French" Statue of Liberty, tbh.

What french statue of liberty? The only statue I know of in NY is the FREEDOM statue!

Viva la France

Just goes to show the "intelligence" of the French. They build something beautiful, and then get rid of it. I can just hear the French builders now:

"Hey, Pierre, you forgot to put zee armpit hair on her!"

"Zut alors! You are correct, Michel! We must hide our terrible mistake. Give it to zee Americans."

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Originally posted by imokruok Just goes to show the "intelligence" of the French. They build something beautiful, and then get rid of it. I can just hear the French builders now: "Hey, Pierre, you forgot to put zee armpit hair on her!" "Zut alors! You are correct, Michel! We must hide our terrible mistake. Give it to zee Americans."

lmao.. wow, that is funny. I think the design is .. interesting to say the least. I think its execution will prove most interesting.

when did superman move his crytal hideout from the northpole to NYC?

The buildings look pretty nice. Definitely better than the old design. Although the name "Freedom Tower" is really stupid imo. Funny how the amount of times word freedom is used in right-wing circles is inversly proportional to the actual amount of freedom in the society.

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Originally posted by occrider I suppose the "freedom" tower sounds somewhat better than the "french" tower

Would you like fries with that?



For some reason that picture reminds me of the skyline in the movie Freejack. Is there going to be that funky room at the top with the "spiritual switchboard" in it?

God I am old...that was Renee Russo's first film appearance and I was not even old enough to drive when I saw that. Sigh.

I digress....as usual.

MrS

ive decided no new design can match the appeal of the old. They should just rebuild the old towers, but 30 floors or something higher.

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Originally posted by Yoepus ive decided no new design can match the appeal of the old. They should just rebuild the old towers, but 30 floors or something higher.

ryyyyyyttt!!!

wtf? 1700+ feet is nothing these days. they were saying how it would make it mroe of a terror threat if it was higher. but is it really going to be more of a threat if it's 300 feet taller. pisses me off. the coulda built a monster. like a 2500 foot fuking monster to say FOOK YOU to all the hairy bin ladens. but nooooooo, they gotta make a city (south park pronounciation) freedom blob.

and the original was better. fook childs. old fook.

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Originally posted by Dopey ryyyyyyttt!!! wtf? 1700+ feet is nothing these days. they were saying how it would make it mroe of a terror threat if it was higher. but is it really going to be more of a threat if it's 300 feet taller. pisses me off. the coulda built a monster. like a 2500 foot fuking monster to say FOOK YOU to all the hairy bin ladens. but nooooooo, they gotta make a city (south park pronounciation) freedom blob. and the original was better. fook childs. old fook.

ya what he said... after I understand it..

might be a few days guys

I'm surprised nobody has whined about the hippie wind tubrines at the top that will power the building.

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Originally posted by DaveSaenz I'm surprised nobody has whined about the hippie wind tubrines at the top that will power the building.

neat.

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Originally posted by DaveSaenz I'm surprised nobody has whined about the hippie wind tubrines at the top that will power the building.

Bah, damn hippies, they shoud've had a small nuclear power generator installed on top instead. It would give out enough power for the whole complex instead of just 20% for the main building. This hippification of power industry is scary to say the least.

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Originally posted by DrUg_Tit0 Bah, damn hippies, they shoud've had a small nuclear power generator installed on top instead. It would give out enough power for the whole complex instead of just 20% for the main building. This hippification of power industry is scary to say the least.

I agree ... or better yet, why can't they just build a good old coal plant at the top? The stats speak for themeselves:

Coal Power Plant
Year Available: 1900
Price: �5,000
Output: 6,000 MW-h
Price per MW-h: �0.83
Lifespan: 70 years
Total Value: 1.19
Comments Creates extremely high amounts of pollution.

Wind Power Plant
Year Available: 1980
Price: �250
Output: 200 MW-h
Price per MW-h: �1.25
Lifespan: 120 years
Total Value: 1.04
Comments Must be placed at high elevations for full output.

There's no way in hell I'm paying an extra .42 sim-bucks for my electricity.

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Originally posted by DrUg_Tit0 Bah, damn hippies, they shoud've had a small nuclear power generator installed on top instead. It would give out enough power for the whole complex instead of just 20% for the main building. This hippification of power industry is scary to say the least.

only if we may stick the waste in your backyard

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Originally posted by occrider I agree ... or better yet, why can't they just build a good old coal plant at the top? The stats speak for themeselves: Coal Power Plant Year Available: 1900 Price: �5,000 Output: 6,000 MW-h Price per MW-h: �0.83 Lifespan: 70 years Total Value: 1.19 Comments Creates extremely high amounts of pollution. Wind Power Plant Year Available: 1980 Price: �250 Output: 200 MW-h Price per MW-h: �1.25 Lifespan: 120 years Total Value: 1.04 Comments Must be placed at high elevations for full output. There's no way in hell I'm paying an extra .42 sim-bucks for my electricity.

why not take an example from our friends downunder and spain. maybe even start placing new cheaper solar panels on every building.

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Originally posted by rizen only if we may stick the waste in your backyard

No problem, as long as you put it in safe containers. Besides, I'm sure some middle eastern governments or terrorist networks might be interested in it.

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why not take an example from our friends downunder and spain.

Although solar power is gay and hippieish, the tower is really big and made up from lots of concrete and steel, so I guess that's not such a bad thing after all. On a more serious note, it's an interesting and clean, but somewhat inefficient project that can work only in countries with a lot of sunshine.

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maybe even start placing new cheaper solar panels on every building.

Now, the problem with solar panels is that you need sunny weather to operate them. Same works for the solar tower mentioned above. So it's a technology that can well be used in places like Australia, Nevada, or Sahara, but not in many other places. The biggest problem with solar panels is that they're fairly inefficient. They use up only 15-20% of the radiation they receive. Now, considering that the solar constant is 1.37kW/m^2 (but because of the atmosphere on the earth it's about 900W/m^2), a 1m^2 solar panel gives us only about 135-180W on a sunny day. Now, an average home needs several kW of power. Let's say you need the average power of 4kW to have all the electrical appliances and lightbulbs function perfectly. For everything to function properly, we need to take into consideration the worst case scenario, and that is the winter period. Let's take an average country, like Germany or Japan, where we can assume that most of the winter months are cloudy. Cloudy weather reduces the solar panel output by around 50%. Now, we must also assume that about half of the 24 hour period is night. So the effective power output during winter from a solar panel is a quarter of the power output that panel makes on a sunny day, and it's about 34W/m^2. The proposed solar panels convert only 10% of solar power to electricity, so their power output would be about 22.5W/m^2. Now, to get to our desired 4kW average, we'd need 178m^2 of those solar panels. Not to mention that you need to have some pretty powerful batteries installed which store the energy collected during the day to be able to use the electric current during the night. All things considered, the technology is good if you live on a huge farm with 2km^2 of land, but it's useless in cities and towns.

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Originally posted by occrider I agree ... or better yet, why can't they just build a good old coal plant at the top? The stats speak for themeselves: Coal Power Plant Year Available: 1900 Price: �5,000 Output: 6,000 MW-h Price per MW-h: �0.83 Lifespan: 70 years Total Value: 1.19 Comments Creates extremely high amounts of pollution. Wind Power Plant Year Available: 1980 Price: �250 Output: 200 MW-h Price per MW-h: �1.25 Lifespan: 120 years Total Value: 1.04 Comments Must be placed at high elevations for full output. There's no way in hell I'm paying an extra .42 sim-bucks for my electricity.

are those simcity stats??

DrUg_Tit0 you dont need a full sunny day to get power, i know of some cloudy and foggy areas that have solar panels and produce electricity, of course not at its full potential.

i know you were kiding but building a nuclear power plant up there would be a bad idea if another 911 happens and the buildings collapse.

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Originally posted by occrider I agree ... or better yet, why can't they just build a good old coal plant at the top? The stats speak for themeselves: Coal Power Plant Year Available: 1900 Price: �5,000 Output: 6,000 MW-h Price per MW-h: �0.83 Lifespan: 70 years Total Value: 1.19 Comments Creates extremely high amounts of pollution. Wind Power Plant Year Available: 1980 Price: �250 Output: 200 MW-h Price per MW-h: �1.25 Lifespan: 120 years Total Value: 1.04 Comments Must be placed at high elevations for full output. There's no way in hell I'm paying an extra .42 sim-bucks for my electricity.

Haha, now I know how you've been wasting away your holiday break. I picked me up a copy of simcity delux too... how spokey.

its full of coal plants.. not a hippie power station to be seen, and cities full of dirty industry, they all have negative envrionment ratings MUHAHAHAHA

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