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Iran Quake vs. Cali. Quake

Maybe Iran should spend more money on constructing 20th century houses and less money supporting terror and WMD programs.

California----
Monday's magnitude-6.5 quake struck north of San Simeon near the central California coast and rumbled through the San Luis Obispo County countryside. The worst of the damage was about 30 miles east in Paso Robles, where two women were killed in the collapse of a 19th-century clock tower.

Iran----
Iranian television said the magnitude 6.3 quake leveled about 60 percent of the houses in Bam, 630 miles southeast of the capital, killing many people as they slept. ...

The Interior Ministry's early estimate on Saturday was 20,000 dead, while two leading rescue officials said the toll could eventually double.

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Originally posted by Dopey Maybe Iran should spend more money on constructing 20th century houses and less money supporting terror and WMD programs.

woow what an intelligent comment there!!

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Originally posted by hardcore trancer woow what an intelligent comment there!!

well say whatever u want but it's pretty stupid to spend 5 billion dollars annualy on military when your people are dying under their collapsed mud huts.

they are saying that this earthqauke might have killed 10,000 people. the same caliber earthquake that killed 2 people in california 2 days ago. maybe making sure people are safe from medium earthquakes is more important than establishing yourself as a military power. buts thats just my opinion.

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Originally posted by Dopey well say whatever u want but it's pretty stupid to spend 5 billion dollars annualy on military when your people are dying under their collapsed mud huts. they are saying that this earthqauke might have killed 10,000 people. the same caliber earthquake that killed 2 people in california 2 days ago. maybe making sure people are safe from medium earthquakes is more important than establishing yourself as a military power. buts thats just my opinion.

Well, there's much US could do with billions of dollars it spends on it's own military. Improve the educational system, or give more funding to peace-oriented research and space exploration comes to mind. But let's be realistic. We don't live in a perfect world, and the power of the country is often equal to the power of its military. And the more powerful a country is, the more likely it is for it to be able to walk over other countries and to drain their resources. So in a sense, a strong army is a requirement for prosperity. Sad but true.

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Originally posted by DrUg_Tit0 Well, there's much US could do with billions of dollars it spends on it's own military. Improve the educational system, or give more funding to peace-oriented research and space exploration comes to mind. But let's be realistic. We don't live in a perfect world, and the power of the country is often equal to the power of its military. And the more powerful a country is, the more likely it is for it to be able to walk over other countries and to drain their resources. So in a sense, a strong army is a requirement for prosperity. Sad but true.

yes but in the US thousands dont die even after far worse earthquakes. my point is that third world countries that have ppl living in mud huts should focus more on being prepared for disasters and less on being equiped to deal with military threats. especially in the last few years since nobody poses a threat to iran except the US, who would destroy the iranian army even if it spent ten times what it does now. it's unacceptable to have a nation that has such poor living conditions spend so much money on defense.

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Originally posted by Dopey Maybe Iran should spend more money on constructing 20th century houses and less money supporting terror and WMD programs.

Your a fucking idiot! Iran does not support terrorism...stop watching the bullshit on TV, it's fucked up your head.

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Originally posted by Dopey well say whatever u want but it's pretty stupid to spend 5 billion dollars annualy on military when your people are dying under their collapsed mud huts.

errr what? so a country buys artilery for their military automatically makes them a terrorist? or are they a terrorist because they are part of the muslim nation...

either way you still haven't got a clue.

I think you really are a Dopey :laugh:

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Originally posted by Psygnosis Your a fucking idiot! Iran does not support terrorism...stop watching the bullshit on TV, it's fucked up your head.

you're saying that Iran has never provided any kind of support for Hezbollah?? I wan't to see you actually say that.

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Originally posted by Psygnosis or are they a terrorist because they are part of the muslim nation

what muslim nation is Iran part of?? lol learn english fool.

I personally can care less how the Iranian government spends its money, my main case however would be that for a nation that has experienced the devastation of such quakes before you figure something should be done to avoid such large number of fatalities, unless of course the Government just ignores it and chooses to not really give a lot of support to people who live in these highly vulnerable regions. The facts are the facts, Iran has dealt with this kind of devastation countless times, why has more not been done for people in these regions, is it for lack of resources, think about it.

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Originally posted by Dopey yes but in the US thousands dont die even after far worse earthquakes.

Still, the point is that there are always good ways to spend money. The problem lies in finding the right balance. Besides, do you really think 9.7 billion $ is that much, considering that the GDP is around 460 billion $, with the annual growth rate of over 7%? It's a whooping 3.1%! Not to mention that it's a country of 70 million people. Now, if an average 5 floor building can house about 30 people, and the cost for such a building is about 2 million $, then those 9.7 billion $ would annually provide housing for a whooping 15 000 people! Now, to house all the 20% of people who work in the agricultural sector (14 million) with the 9.7 billion $ aid, it would take a mere 100 years!

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my point is that third world countries that have ppl living in mud huts should focus more on being prepared for disasters and less on being equiped to deal with military threats.

You can't completely ignore one branch of development in order to fully complement another one. If a country doesn't have much money, it sucks, but it still must balance various aspects of growth instead of throwing all its resources in the same basket. Besides, 3.1% is not that much to spend on an army.

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especially in the last few years since nobody poses a threat to iran except the US, who would destroy the iranian army even if it spent ten times what it does now. it's unacceptable to have a nation that has such poor living conditions spend so much money on defense.

Yes, really, there's no reason for concern, it's only the world's largest military power that's posing a threat. Besides, you overestimate the US military potential. It is already engaged in Iraq and Afghanistan, so its capacity is currently severely limited. Now, while Iran certainly could not win a war due to its military might, if they would manage to make such a war drag on for long enough, US would have to back down because of both internal and international pressure.

But US is certainly not the only threat to Iran. Infact, Iran is positioned in a currently most troublesome area of the Earth (maybe with the exception of subsaharan Africa). Let's see who some of the more interesting Iranian neighbours are. First, there is Iraq, an occupied country in a total mess. Nobody knows how the situation will unfold there. Secondly, there is Afghanistan, a poor country that could hardly be called a stable one. Infact it too only has US to thank for its integrity. Not to mention it's the biggest exporter of opium in the world. A little bit south is Pakistan, a nuclear power that has constant tensions with another nuclear power, India. They also funded the Taliban movement. Internally, things are not all flowery either. Amongst some minorities, there are the ever-present kurds, not to mention a chance of a civil uprising due to currently opressive theocracy. All things considered, Iran has a very good reason for a large military.

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Originally posted by Dopey well say whatever u want but it's pretty stupid to spend 5 billion dollars annualy on military when your people are dying under their collapsed mud huts. they are saying that this earthqauke might have killed 10,000 people. the same caliber earthquake that killed 2 people in california 2 days ago. maybe making sure people are safe from medium earthquakes is more important than establishing yourself as a military power. buts thats just my opinion.

Are you serious? Mud huts?

Wait, i forgot, we also live in Igloos.

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Originally posted by Dopey well say whatever u want but it's pretty stupid to spend 5 billion dollars annualy on military when your people are dying under their collapsed mud huts.

Mud huts???have u lived in Iran or u just saying that because thats what you saw on tv???I suggest you go see that country first before u make any comments like that.

I was being sarcastic. I know it's hard for you to pick up on that because you don't know english too well.

20,000 is now the death toll. When will Iran start worrying more about the basic safeties of their own people than what the US government is doing?? Obviously they didn't learn when 50,000 people died a decade ago. So sad.

im sorry, it is actually higher than 20,000

they are now saying it could be up to 40,000, but 20,000 is the current estimate. again, keeping your people safe from earthquakes is important...but obviously less important for Iran than its military.

-AP

In Iran, quakes of more than magnitude 5 usually kill people because most buildings are not built to withstand earthquakes, although the country sits on several major fault lines and temblors are frequent. Iran has a history of earthquakes that kill thousands of people, including one of magnitude 7.3 that killed about 50,000 people in northwest Iran in 1990.

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Originally posted by Dopey I was being sarcastic. I know it's hard for you to pick up on that because you don't know english too well. 20,000 is now the death toll. When will Iran start worrying more about the basic safeties of their own people than what the US government is doing?? Obviously they didn't learn when 50,000 people died a decade ago. So sad.

Were you dropped on your empty head when you were born?

Grow the fuck up and understand that EARTHQUAKES CANNOT BE PREDICTED!!!!!!!! DONT BLAME GOVERNMENTS FOR CAUSING EARTHQUAKES...

And you werent being sarcastic about that mud hut thing, becuase youve proved your idiocy in your posts before, so it gives us reason to believe you genuinely feel that Iranians living in huts are being mistreated by their governments' irresponsibility in giving them "basic safeties" as you eloquently put it.

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Originally posted by Cyrus King Were you dropped on your empty head when you were born? Grow the fuck up and understand that EARTHQUAKES CANNOT BE PREDICTED!!!!!!!! DONT BLAME GOVERNMENTS FOR CAUSING EARTHQUAKES... And you werent being sarcastic about that mud hut thing, becuase youve proved your idiocy in your posts before, so it gives us reason to believe you genuinely feel that Iranians living in huts are being mistreated by their governments' irresponsibility in giving them "basic safeties" as you eloquently put it.

I never said the government caused the earthquakes. Maybe you have trouble understanding the english language?

MORE PEOPLE DIED IN IRAN YESTERDAY THAN FIVE TIMES THE CASUALTY NUMBERS IN IRAQ EARLIER THIS YEAR. This could have been prevented if structures in Iran were built to withstand trembles, as they should be seeing that the Iranian people live on major fault lines. Instead, money is spent on other things. That's all I was saying. But thanks for trying to disprove my points with such harsh language and accusations. It merely proves that you are clinging on to verbal assualts as your main argument.

And trying to say that I think Iranians live in mud huts is just stupid. Just because you cannot understand obvious sarcasm in the English language, doesn't mean that I am uneducated. Please site my idiocy in previous posts.

Iran does support Hezbollah and has active mass weapons research programs. This money could have easily been spent on building code legislature and modernization. Even if it saved five lives, it would have been the better investment for the people of Iran.

in this mass hysteria you guys have forgotten the main point of the topic... that a weaker earthquake in iran has killed over 10,000 people when only 2 people died in california from a stronger one...

the point is a valid one. this is obviously not the first time Iran has suffered from earthquakes - they have a long, sad history of it. I dont know how the government has been dealing with the situation but when 10,000 people have died clearly something is wrong. I wouldnt be suprised if the collapsed houses are rebuilt on the same weak foundations.

drug_tito has some good points about military funding but surely it cant be unreasonable to spend on stabilizing current structures. Im not an engineer - maybe you have to demolish the building and re-erect it on sounder foundations - but its foolish to dismiss these things by saying Iran is a poor country.

ps: as for the mud hut thing... a quick glance at pictures from google will leave you hardpressed to find mud huts

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Originally posted by Psygnosis Your a fucking idiot! Iran does not support terrorism...stop watching the bullshit on TV, it's fucked up your head.

sorry....its just so damn funny

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Originally posted by razmataz in this mass hysteria you guys have forgotten the main point of the topic... that a weaker earthquake in iran has killed over 10,000 people when only 2 people died in california from a stronger one...

it's closer to 40,000 they are now estimating. it's is sad that things like this go practically unnoticed in comparison with major military campaigns even though they clame so many more lives.

the bottom line is that things could have been done to prepare the Iranian people for this situation. I repeat my previous statement.

Even if only five people were saved because of funding otherwise destined for Hezbollah or military research, that would have been the better investment for the Iranian people.

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Originally posted by Cyrus King Were you dropped on your empty head when you were born? Grow the fuck up and understand that EARTHQUAKES CANNOT BE PREDICTED!!!!!!!! DONT BLAME GOVERNMENTS FOR CAUSING EARTHQUAKES... And you werent being sarcastic about that mud hut thing, becuase youve proved your idiocy in your posts before, so it gives us reason to believe you genuinely feel that Iranians living in huts are being mistreated by their governments' irresponsibility in giving them "basic safeties" as you eloquently put it.

why are you such an angry person?

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Originally posted by TuanAnh213 why are you such an angry person?

My mom pissed me off when i wrote that.
Im really not an angry person... only stupid people make me angry... and Dopey's idiot remarks were somewhat fuel to the fire.

And im sick of his stupid responses "maybe you dont understand the english language" as a means of defending his points...

Anyway, hes a noob,, and its normal for them to act like this

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Originally posted by Cyrus King My mom pissed me off when i wrote that. Im really not an angry person... only stupid people make me angry... and Dopey's idiot remarks were somewhat fuel to the fire. And im sick of his stupid responses "maybe you dont understand the english language" as a means of defending his points... Anyway, hes a noob,, and its normal for them to act like this

and i'm sick of your nerrow mind.

and in your posts you havn't realy commented on Dopey's points, rather than on the subject itself and on little-not-the-main-point-of-the-argument remarks like "mud huts". he says one thing and you write a stupid angry answer that is not connected to his points.

In case nobody noticed, the reason all those structures collapsed was that the city was some sort of an ancient historical monument. So the mud (actually brick) houses were there for a reason, not because Iranian government didn't want to build more advanced housing.

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Originally posted by DrUg_Tit0 In case nobody noticed, the reason all those structures collapsed was that the city was some sort of an ancient historical monument. So the mud (actually brick) houses were there for a reason, not because Iranian government didn't want to build more advanced housing.

no there was one historic part that was a complex of ancient huts and stuff like that...the rest of the city was residential.

it was one small complex not the whole city.

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