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Aussie website sharing sets (Interested?)

Guys,

With the lack of fresh sets going around the net on nu-horizions/dj mixes etc of late, and with AU getting some top class trance and progressive DJ's as well as AU's radio shows being worthy of being aired (Ala rush/FBi in Sydney), just wondering if anyone is interested in co-hosting a http site for sharing sets. It'd be great exposure for ALL the locals to have sets along side those across the rest of the world, and also promote AU as a world class act offering something at a time where sets are declining.

I'm not talking just Sydney here, I'm talking hosting elements presents/jen corp sets, 5am/viper room/mangled sets the lot along side the likes of AvB/Tiesto/etc, any international release sets.

The costs roughly will be $99USD for either 700 or 800gig of transfer. That's 7 people paying $20AUD a month (or more people paying less) to have the site up and running. If we can get banners/sponsership, it may become cheaper, but I don't know anyone who'd get anything from it, other then VinylWarning (Hi Guys ).

700 or 800 gig will allow 7000 or 8000 people a month to download a 1-1 hour 20min set.

There'd be no ruler of the server, all levels would be equal, it's not for profit, but to expose our scene to the world and show we can match the talent of the world.

Thoughts/Comments?

--djway

I think thats a awesome idea!!

Definetly should get a lot of people to contribute to make it a cheaper at the end so we can get it up and running faster.

The idea sounds fantastic. But like a lot of ideas its not feasible.

1. There are a lot more than 8000 people on the internet who would eventually be downloading sets. Im pretty sure TA has more users than that.

2. If you wanted people to keep returning to the site, im pretty sure you would need to offer a new set more than once a month.

3. The legalities of the sets are questionable at best. Even if you get the djs permission to put the sets up for download, the record labels wouldnt too happy that people are downloading "their" tracks for free.

Its a noble and good idea, and maybe with some more thought put into it, it could come to fruition. But there will be a lot of hardwork and $$ required.

1. Nu-horrisions transfers just over a terrabyte a month. So that could almost be matched from the get go, without taking sets down early or asking for funding. P2P programs should be albe to propgate the sets once 1000 people have each set

2. I'm sure we can get enough sets to update more then once a month. Elements presents is a weekly show, as is Nova and FBi. There's a possible 9 shows a month, without any locals sets or demos/studio mixes, without any international sets.

3. Sets on the radio can be put up, so no problems there. I'm aware DJ's have to OK their sets, and believe I can get this done for live sets, either by myself or someone in Sydney, and if a DJ's playing @ 5am etc, I'm sure one of the 5am crew can get a set approved. James Zabiela, Dave Seamen, Steve Gerrard, are all people who've released their AU sets Last year. I don't see that as an issue.

The $ is what this thread is about, it's not much or many people to get it started. The hard work; ie getting the sets, locally I record about a club set a week, so nothing new for me. In regards to maintaining a webpage, the likes of PHPNuke ala nu-horizions works fine, something like Moveable Types could also quite easily do the job with Webalizer checking for stats. I don't think it'd take too much to get this happening.

--djway

sounds like a good idea, i'd be willing to pay the monthly fee (once i start working again)

id b willin 2 pay 20bux a mnth or so.. for a lil ftp space aswell ofcourse <: lol i also know a bit php html etc n might b able to help etc? <:

yes from me... depending on how much it eventually ends up working out to a month!

great idea

if it is to be HTML based - you will also have to invest in anti-leech right?

otherwise hotlinking will defeat the purpose of the website.

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2. If you wanted people to keep returning to the site, im pretty sure you would need to offer a new set more than once a month.

What he means is the way you based your calculations on 8000 people grabbing one set a month. If you chuck up 2 sets a week, approx 8 sets a month, then only 1000 people can get all 8 of them, following your calculations. The more sets to download, the less people can get them.

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Originally posted by xarg What he means is the way you based your calculations on 8000 people grabbing one set a month. If you chuck up 2 sets a week, approx 8 sets a month, then only 1000 people can get all 8 of them, following your calculations. The more sets to download, the less people can get them.

Nu-horizions has 316 members downloading just over a terrabye with about 40 sets a month. If 1000 people get a file, and 100 of them sit in a P2P program the propagation rate will be pretty good.

If more people want in then a larger box can be purchased etc. Pretenting there was no reasons this wouldn't work, is anyone interested in putting aside, @ max $20 a month for this?

--djway

Sounds like a top idea to start something like this...

I'd be interested in becoming involved... Both from a financial POV + also in terms of helping build/maintain the site...

I have been working in IT for the past 6 years and have been playing around with PCs for a lot longer - much of that time was spent playing round on the Web, with HTML etc too... So I can definitely help out in that department should I be needed...

Lately haven't been doing much HTML work at all tho, but I'm sure it'll only take me a little while to get back into the groove


The only problem for me is spare time really... Got a lot on my plate with a pretty hectic job + don't really have too much spare time...

Ironically enough I have been thinking of putting up a small site recently which was going to centre around getting together all the trance related info in terms of local events + radio shows and such...

I didn't want this to be anything too big, but just a simple listing of info for either people coming from overseas or just locals to check out + keep with the latest "trance only" info...


Maybe the two ideas can be merged in some way? Let me know what you think?


Also, with regards to the bandwidth needed... Would this site need to host all the files continually? Would it not be a better idea to create a BitTorrent setup + then bandwidth costs would be greatly reduced?

I know that BT has issues with the excessive uploading it causes + the "running a server" issue that some ISPs might bring up...

But in terms of ASOT - I get it through BT off "ets-global.org" every week + never have any trouble with speed or excessive upload... If it was something like that then it'd be the best option wouldn't it?

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Originally posted by mikey79 Sounds like a top idea to start something like this... I'd be interested in becoming involved... Both from a financial POV + also in terms of helping build/maintain the site... I have been working in IT for the past 6 years and have been playing around with PCs for a lot longer - much of that time was spent playing round on the Web, with HTML etc too... So I can definitely help out in that department should I be needed... Lately haven't been doing much HTML work at all tho, but I'm sure it'll only take me a little while to get back into the groove The only problem for me is spare time really... Got a lot on my plate with a pretty hectic job + don't really have too much spare time... Ironically enough I have been thinking of putting up a small site recently which was going to centre around getting together all the trance related info in terms of local events + radio shows and such... I didn't want this to be anything too big, but just a simple listing of info for either people coming from overseas or just locals to check out + keep with the latest "trance only" info... Maybe the two ideas can be merged in some way? Let me know what you think? Also, with regards to the bandwidth needed... Would this site need to host all the files continually? Would it not be a better idea to create a BitTorrent setup + then bandwidth costs would be greatly reduced? I know that BT has issues with the excessive uploading it causes + the "running a server" issue that some ISPs might bring up... But in terms of ASOT - I get it through BT off "ets-global.org" every week + never have any trouble with speed or excessive upload... If it was something like that then it'd be the best option wouldn't it?

Hosting the files, when they drop off the front page or what ever (IE 2 weeks after putting them up) we'd no longer need to host them, so bandwidth (or server space) wouldn't be too much of an issue.

My idea, which is flexiable, was to keep it HTTP based for people who can only download of the web(port 80 and or 8080) not via firewalls etc [people like me @ work ]. The + for BT is it's cheaper, the - is there's no solid back bone to begin with. HTTP 1000 people can click the link then go search in their fav P2P program and it should turn up anyhow.

In regards to content, you're not alone with wanting to have something more then just a leeching page, I've been PM'd by someone about that already.

I'll count you in, and if the numbers turn up we can start talking more about content and the ways of hosting the acutal files.

--djway

PS Had a feeling this would catch your eye

lol wow u guys type alot and type it fast lol i havnt even read the previous 2 posts cause they so long just wanted to say.. wow.. lol *begins reading*

edit: can u count me in to? <:

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Originally posted by djway Hosting the files, when they drop off the front page or what ever (IE 2 weeks after putting them up) we'd no longer need to host them, so bandwidth (or server space) wouldn't be too much of an issue.

Ahhhhhh OK - so it'd be an all you can eat situation for about 2 weeks + then the file goes offline? Maybe that's when BT can come into play?

Also, maybe instead of a time limit we could implement a limit on the amount of downloads per file until it is moved offline? This would help more with budgeting for how much bandwidth would cost...

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My idea, which is flexiable, was to keep it HTTP based for people who can only download of the web(port 80 and or 8080) not via firewalls etc [people like me @ work ]. The + for BT is it's cheaper, the - is there's no solid back bone to begin with. HTTP 1000 people can click the link then go search in their fav P2P program and it should turn up anyhow.

Aha! Well, it sounds like a good enough reason I guess... Nothing can beat the reliability of HTTP transfers direct from something as fat as your FTP's connection... Esp when comparing to the erratic way BT + other P2P software can sometimes run...


And with the work thing, that makes sense too... People would be more likely to make use of a fast work Net connection esp if they are stuck on 56k at home still ( to those who are! )... This would mean it's just a simple click + wait situation rather than having to worry about installing software + poking holes thru firewalls, etc...

The only issue with direct HTTP downloading is that (as per previous post) it would be quite easy for people to steal links + such... Would a simple download script be needed or something more in-depth like Anti-Leech? What would the cost be of Anti-Leech or similar options?

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In regards to content, you're not alone with wanting to have something more then just a leeching page, I've been PM'd by someone about that already. I'll count you in, and if the numbers turn up we can start talking more about content and the ways of hosting the acutal files. --djway PS Had a feeling this would catch your eye

OK cool! Let me know where this goes... Let's hope we have a good response from people interested in taking part in this!

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Originally posted by mikey79 OK cool! Let me know where this goes... Let's hope we have a good response from people interested in taking part in this!

All your q's will be addressed in due time....just wait to see if there's enough interest to warrant me answering (time == money )

--djway

top idea dude!

I wont put in this month, but next month ill consider it again as next month i start my unlimited download adsl. This month im still on a 1 gig plan so its pointless for me atm! But i definately like the idea!! Bout time we had some good hosted sets!

one thing i havent noticed anyone talking about was actually getting the money of each person who gets in

sure it'd prolly go well for a couple of months but i feel you would start having troubles getting it each month of people untill some people just start dropping out altogether

kinda like the t-shirt idea?

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Originally posted by Lanithium one thing i havent noticed anyone talking about was actually getting the money of each person who gets in sure it'd prolly go well for a couple of months but i feel you would start having troubles getting it each month of people untill some people just start dropping out altogether kinda like the t-shirt idea?

6 months up front is what i'm thinking. then @ 5 months another 6 months. That's a year which would be the hosting contract.

Once this was rolling I think more people would be enclined to join personally, but we'll see (hopefully).

--djway

EDIT: or even 3 month batches for payments

I'd be in for this....

Guys I have not had time to read this entire thread, but Josh gave me the link.. he wanted me to tell you about this:

WHITE RABBIT !!

whitetrabbit.trancetribe.com

Essentially this is our new web server, which is specifically for storage of files.

That is, MP3 sets, and photos.

whiterabbit will be at the heart of the new trancetribe 2004 web site.

Essentially any DJ or producer will be able to have an account, which enables them to upload an MP3 into their own folder on whiterabbit.trancetribe.com (ftp.trancetribe.com).

The new site will be all dynamically run, meaning the moment you upload an MP3, its instantly available, from the web site, in your DJ or producer profile.

No you don't need to be a pro Dj or producer, you can be an amateur.. since there will be section devoted just to amateurs.

I have unlimited storage, and around 30GB of bandwidth a month. This can easily be upgraded to more bandwidth also.

So, (and without taking anything away from TA.com) essentially the new trancetribe.com will be a place where all trance fiends can store and share their sets and productions.. as well as photos (just like inthemix.com.au)

The server is active now, however I need to really wait until I launch the new TT.com web site before I start letting people upload files..

Willl be VERY soon tho.

Cheers

Scottie

ahem.. sorry I should have read the rest of this thread. OK.. seems bandwidth is the probelm here.. we'll need a lot, but not as much as you say... we would be setting limits to the amount of files you are allowed to store and to the amount each use can upload per month.

So I can set the site up, well... its already set up.. just not open to the public., but I will need help with the $$$ for the bandwidth!!

I am thinking a yealy subscription fee, not a lot, something between $15 - $30 per year, will give you access to this feature of the site?

Scott

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Originally posted by starsurfer ahem.. sorry I should have read the rest of this thread. OK.. seems bandwidth is the probelm here.. we'll need a terrabyte a month at least. Don't forget that people uploading files to the server will take up bandwidth too!! So I can set the site up, but I will need help with the $$$ for the bandwidth!! Scott

Scotty,

The deal I was looking @ was 60gig HDD space for a 700gig a month for $99USD.

I like the dynamic idea and I also dislike it. How is there going to be a standard of quality? Let's face it some of us suck (/me raises hand), and I don't want my set up next to one of Armin's or something, it's not going to do me or the site any favours.

The other things against what you've got already are purley geeky; it's a subdomain and it's .au(I've been thinking of a straight domain that recognises Australia).

I'd have to say there's not enough room in this country for us to go head to head really. Maybe we could reach some middle ground? I've got about 6 people willing to pay for this so far, I need one more person or something before discussions can begin/ a server purchased. Would be really keen to work something out with you on this.

Cheers,
--djway

DJway,

definitely interested in talking about this. I would do anything to share some of that bandwidth and space.

You don't NEED TT.com to be able to share the files, remembering that they will be available at whiterabbit.trancetribe.com/djway/setname.mp3

but I hear what you mean. Heck, there isn't anything stopping you from having your site, and also allowing me to pay for some of it, and using the storage also. It could easily work where my site only displays certain files, even though there are lots more availabel for sharing, that's where your site comes in?

I kinda guess TT.com's thing was going to be something like you could go to the DJ profiles page, and then you get to select professional, or amateur. When you go into either.. you get thumbnails and names of Dj's, you choose one and you get their bio, plus a few files you can download, which are their promo sets.

On the home page of trancetribe.com, it would list the 5 newest files available to download. That is essentially how my side of things would work.

Now, i could set whiterabbit.trancetribe.com to point to your server easily, and all I would need is that users files are stores something liked this: 111.222.333.444/username/filename.mp3

If you were happy to store all your files like that also, then I can just integrate the ones I need for my site, while your site will have them all.

Again, I'm not wanting to cause any sort of competition between the two of our sites, so if we can, we can try to push a different image and service:

trancetribe.com: DJ & Producer profiles with downloadable promo MP3s

tranceaddict.com: live set warehouse of all amateur and professional DJ's anywhere!

You see the diff?

Scottie

Its Happening!

Way, I just bought a server from www.ev1servers.net. Its $129 per month Windows std server with 60GB HD and 700GB transfers per month.

This is how I propose we run the operation:

Each shareholder will be allocated HD + BW proportional to how much they want to spend. $20/month will buy around 2GB HDD space and 30GB of BW. Exact ratios to be worked out. Payment will be through Vinyl Warning by Bank Transfer and we can provide an invoice if you wish to claim it as a business expense. Each shareholder will have their own website / domain with their own ftp login to upload files.
There will be a master domain which all shareholders will have admin access to. This master domain won't hold any mp3's just all the html, database and php for posting the livesets.

I propose to do this not for profit however only in the sense that it pays for the time I spend setting it up and providing support. If you can't handle that then stiff I wont have any time to look after any of the html / phpnuke stuff so someone will have to sort that out.

The server will be strictly livesets only. Anyone caught uploading full length singles will burn in hell.

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