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Long endings in trance songs

Just wondering, why do some tracks have such long and uninteresting endings? is it for djing purposes? the thought was prompted upon listening to Energy 52-Cafe Del Mar (Marco V Remix) which has a ending nearly 3 minutes long.

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dunno. Maybe to make it easier to mix out of. Echoes also has a long ending.

Usually I'd rather a boring ending than a boring beginning

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Originally posted by Ghostface dunno. Maybe to make it easier to mix out of. Echoes also has a long ending.

ditto there. and also a song needs a slow buildup in the beginning to blend with the previous song played ...

those long endings can really come in handy when mixing, but yeah sometimes they drag out waaaay too long.

one reason that they have them is also because trance tracks are layered. beat, hi hats, synths etc etc.. so as the song ends, these are taken out a few at a time, and it would only sound good if kept in phrase (usually every 32/64 beats).

but yeah they can get pretty annoying sometimes :P

The longer the song is, the more royalties the artist get! It's that simple!

It's called the outro, and conversely, it's called the intro. It's what allows you to properly beatmatch your records without running out of sound. Sure the purely percussive parts at the beginning and the end may not be the most interesting parts of the composition, but from a DJ's perspective, the audience wasn't meant to hear those parts anyways.

As a dj I like the long ending when mixing. It gives more freedom witht he transition. When listening to them as single tracks they seem like they have long ending.

As stated earlier. Yup, I agree I prefer a song to have a long outro for mixing purposes. But with that in mind, the outro still has to maintain that vision which was conveyed throughout the whole song, otherwise the record becomes what I like to call a tranceformer....Transforms from a record to a frisbee very quickly (prolly around 260 BPM) *LOL*

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Originally posted by extepan The longer the song is, the more royalties the artist get! It's that simple!

...or not.

The Marco V remix is a bit ridiculous, fortunately the 7 minute cut gets rid of it.

The J00F remix of Cafe del Mar is probably the worst record for overblown intro and outro. Outer Space by Scot Project also takes much too long to get going.

what about for songs that are the last song of a set? it's nice to have a long ending to a song that eventually "fades away." I particulary like moogwai - viola for that.

-keith

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[i][b]otherwise the record becomes what I like to call a tranceformer....Transforms from a record to a frisbee very quickly (prolly around 260 BPM) *LOL*

HAHA....what a cheesy pun

i love long outros...

they give the djs more freedom to create interesting transitions.

the song that comes to mind for too long an outro is..

Andain - Summer Calling

takes forever!!!

If long outros make you sad, just listen to the radio edits instead.

Yeah i would say its for mixing. usually there is a place near the end with just beats and then a boring ending and i always think of where i would mix in the next song (before the boring ending)

yeah

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Originally posted by extepan The longer the song is, the more royalties the artist get! It's that simple!

No thats entirely false. heh, sorry dude, but record companies give the artist a 7.7 cent mechanical royalty at a song in 5 min of legnth. 1.2 cents are added on per minute afterwards. The artist rarely sees that extended royalty tho, b/c most labels will cap the royalty at a 3/4 rate of the entire album, and still only pay 7.7 cents per song. Kind of a rip off don't you think? Yes, but its true, and it happens a lot. Just thought you guys might wanna know that.

I think i found a track with the longest ever outro
Paul Van Dyk - Connected (Markus Schulz Reconstruction)
4 mins long

I'm in no position to judge other artists, but speaking only for what I'd do myself, I like to do something a little tricky on the outro instead of stripping all the instruments away linearly -- sometimes I'll tease in a new, alternate hi-hat line and then fade that one out too. Or I'll add some creative effecting and those gratuitous "Whooosh!" noises everyone loves. Maybe even drop the kick drum out for a bar or two to disorient things but not to the point that the outro is staggered and useless. Just to, you know, add a little warmth to the bottom of the iceberg.

There are always new ways to mix things up.

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Originally posted by Floorfiller the song that comes to mind for too long an outro is.. Andain - Summer Calling takes forever!!!

Funny, I was just thinking of this exact track (the G&D Unplugged Mix) as well as a lot of other G&D stuff.

I am sorry ..but...this is a retard question!




The intro's and outro's of a track were specifically made for DJ's to use to mix. These parts were never intended to be heard by the audience. The longer the intro/outro the more or a "blend" style mix is needed..i.e. no quick 1 bar cuts to the next song.


I dont want to go into detail about the patterns and rationale of intros and outro but all you need to know is that it is designed for DJ's to use.


Please excuse me but when I read your question I just almaost fell off fell off my chiar w/ laugher

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Originally posted by MaRt If long outros make you sad, just listen to the radio edits instead.

My thought exactly.

amara - pulse has the most annoying outro. Its a good song, then there is like 2 and a half minutes of the same thing until the end.

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