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The Difference In Quality Between Trance From 1997/8/9 And Now.....Why?
After listening to all my old oakey,tiesto and pete tong sets from 'back in the day' it struck me more than before just how much more better quality the trance productions were of the late 1990's.especially 1999.
The productions seem to be far more anthemic,varied and memorable compared to nowadays output.
But why is this? personally i think its due to over production maybe.artists priding (sp?) themselves in technical ability and so dilutes the tune in general.thats just my interpretation lol.
Anyone else have an opinion on this?
Cheers 
(This thread was inspired by the Paul Oakenfold set live from gatecrasher at lotherton hall,essential mix 1999)
Trance is new , trance gets older , trance gets more of the same , etc
It's a process that every style of music goes true , people will always say rock was used to be better and so on.
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| Originally posted by super-styleR Trance is new , trance gets older , trance gets more of the same , etc It's a process that every style of music goes true , people will always say rock was used to be better and so on. |
I recon it's because it used to be about composition not just making up layers and taking them away (you know a beat, a hook, take away beat for a bit that'll do for a brakedown). I think thats why Mr Dresden & Mr Gabrial are doing so well. Their songs arn't just formulaic layering, they are composed and have variation. Not just a beat a hook and small variations on each.
yeh man,minimal always seems to do more for me...
i reakon the quality of production has increased hugely and is much more innovative than the 99 trance, even tho the hook's of the 99 stuff were extremely addictive.
i feel now that there is a big void between soft arminy trance and harder dance that the 99 style was all about, epic at its popular peak. the epic seems to have all but died away of recent, only leaving a somewhat softer effort all round, especially as many producers cater to the asot kind of vibe. having said that, many of the well known hard trance producers have either gave up or have started producing hard dance or hard house. or is this just a lapse inbetween the proper trance scene of 03 transferring to the 04 season. i hope so.
Deejays picked better tracks, had better tracks to pick from. Vocals are a lost art these days because most of the vocal stuff is pure crap but back then, OMG!. I don't think it will be equalled in any sense but it was a fun period of time because certain deejays were at the top of their game.
I think the trance was as good then as now. The variety is what was different. Every single dj's set's weren't as similar then as they are now. Seems that every big dj plays the same 20 or 30 record in a different order now. It makes the great songs boring much more quickly.
a lot of you guys don't realize, That trance has been around since 1992, I been listening to it ever seen and been hearing it evolved over the years, Back then, Trance was a bit experimental in its beginings.
there are still good songs out there....its just know one plays them...and know one knows about them...
Nostalgic effect.
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| Originally posted by starglider Nostalgic effect. |
one thing i hate about modern trance
megadramatic super duper breakdowns.
layered over by a generic snazzy synth, whereas the volume increases slightly.
how is someone gonna dance to that and ENJOY it?
ps. boomer, i lub ur avatar
yeah, i hate those super duper breakdowns. thats probably my only gripe with the trance of today.
Trance was definitely a lot more varied in 1999. As people have said, it wasn't the same formulaic crap which is coming out now. Case in point, Ronski Speed. Every song is the same. You can recognize the bassline from a mile away, and you can recognize the synths because they are the same in every song with some rearranging. The new Sun Decade is like the first Sun Decade (which I liked) except they tried to do a similar thing with the vocals, and they sound like shit. Why do the SAME SONG?
Oakenfold's 1999 EMs were some of the most intense, emotional trance "journeys" I've ever experienced. You can't get that nowadays. There are no no-name artists sending in surprisingly good tracks which bring new things to the table. People get excited about new tracks from the same old artists, and the new tracks aren't really new in a sense.... this is why trance is starting to bore me.
What about psy-trance, has that changed much? I've only recently started listening to it.
BTW, check out:
Azior - Sunset at Myvatn
for a new tune in the "old style"
my view on this topic is that I think '99 trance was more minimal and more melody driven than late present trance. todays trance have a lot of dull sounds (progressive stuff) and a lot of complex layers that in peaks may only come off as weird ear-confussive noises. 99 trance was simply more melodic, linear, clean, and fresh. todays trance is dull and opaque. its not beacause its meant to be like that, but beacause average common and popular trance producers are producing todays trance that way.
I was thinking the same as i was listening to Ferry Corsten @ Trance Energy 2000 today. The ISOS, ITWT, and those old sets from 99/2000 are my favorites. Trance today is not as good as it used to imo, we are missing that true euphoric and uplifting factor.
hhm..i've only started listening to trance around...uh...maybe a bit more than a year.
so i wouldn't know anything 
Quality has improved, cause the producing equipment has improved.
I hear people telling that most DJs play the same record... That has always been in that way, but through unlimited broadcasts and livesets these days, they notice it now...
I think that the internet made it very hard for DJs te become original, cause everything is on the net. Only the big names can play new tracks on cdr (i mean GOOD quality new tracks.) Even promo's are on the net before the official release. I am not saying that this is wrong, but people should realize that they created this situation. They download everything, miss nothing and complain about sets with the same and no new tracks. 
If i listen to tracks from 1998 or something, the quality of the sound is not as good as the quality of the sound of now. Its getting better and better IMO. The tracks from those good old days are still good, but I am talking about the quality of sound...
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| Originally posted by alffla hhm..i've only started listening to trance around...uh...maybe a bit more than a year. so i wouldn't know anything |
sorry, trance has just gotten worse over the years.
theres a couple of producers still putting out quality trance, but for the whole..
99 was brilliant, 00 was great, 01 was good, 02 was average, 03 was saddening..
melodys keep getting more cheesy, vocals are just beyond a joke, just doesnt compare :/
melodic progressive is the saviour.
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| Originally posted by sektile sorry, trance has just gotten worse over the years. theres a couple of producers still putting out quality trance, but for the whole.. 99 was brilliant, 00 was great, 01 was good, 02 was average, 03 was saddening.. melodys keep getting more cheesy, vocals are just beyond a joke, just doesnt compare :/ melodic progressive is the saviour. |
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| Originally posted by mentalbarter good input |
the difference now is that songs are driven by melodies and not beats...bak in the day you had some killer beats...now its same beat with a different melody on top.
and some dj's don't know how to organize a set...i mean if the tracks don't flow nicely together than you shouldn't be mixing them together...
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