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Posted by urmyuk1 on Jan-30-2004 08:59:

getting that full sound RE: Tiesto - Traffic

could you producers out there help a new boy, please

i am new to production and have just started to use REASON, i have found my way round to sequencer and got a few loops going with the REDRUM.

i've been using Tiesto's Traffic as a template to help me.

the first 16 (i think) bars sound pretty much similar to mine (thin), but hve that BANG! its a total different tune.

how the hell do you make your KICK sound like this??

does he put a second kick over the top or is it soething to do with the BASSLINE that comes in.

please help, because when i can't get the basic kick and bass sounding right it deters me from going any further!!

a .rns file would be nice to help me allong.


cheers in advance for any advice.


Posted by dbl on Jan-30-2004 10:12:

not sure, but to me it sounds like he has a reversed kick going with the kick


Posted by Damie Mckeown on Jan-30-2004 10:52:

Well at the begining is that really muddy kick with hardly any low end right?
Then a deeper kick comes in later whilst the other one is still there, so yeah it is a combo of two kicks. I guess with some compression too.
Hey Guys am I anumed to what a punchy kick sounds like because I make my own kicks now and this kick in traffic aint what id call 'Full'


Posted by BelgianGuru on Jan-30-2004 11:28:

Taking traffic as an example song to start with is bad news

There is a reversed kick in play there btw.


Posted by Mr.Mystery on Jan-30-2004 11:54:

quote:
Originally posted by BelgianGuru
Taking traffic as an example song to start with is bad news

I don't think anyone asked for opinions on the tune.


Posted by urmyuk1 on Jan-30-2004 11:56:

can anyone give me a good place to start??

all the kicks i find on the net don't have the same PUNCH as the ones in released produtions.


Posted by BelgianGuru on Jan-30-2004 11:57:

quote:
Originally posted by Mr.Mystery
I don't think anyone asked for opinions on the tune.


Oh I'm sorry, it was just about the kick, sorry Mr. Grumpy !


Posted by BelgianGuru on Jan-30-2004 11:58:

quote:
Originally posted by urmyuk1
can anyone give me a good place to start??

all the kicks i find on the net don't have the same PUNCH as the ones in released produtions.


Sample the kick, listen to it, you'll see it's actually not as complicated as it seems. Then just EQ the living sjiet out of a couple of kick samples At least that's how a newbie like me does it.


Posted by MadThijs on Feb-01-2004 21:26:

Just take a normal 909 kick put a compressor between redrum kick channel and mixer, also a distortion and a eq to rol off low end enable the eq on the mixer and cut the Hi almost al the way down. Now play with the compressor to get a sound you like.


Posted by DinaireFan1 on Feb-01-2004 22:29:

Along with layering of kicks, alot of these tracks are professionally mixed and mastered using expensive current and vintage outboard processors. You're not going to duplicate a sound like that from Reason coming straight off a computer.


Posted by Mr.Mystery on Feb-02-2004 10:28:

quote:
Originally posted by DinaireFan1
Along with layering of kicks, alot of these tracks are professionally mixed and mastered using expensive current and vintage outboard processors. You're not going to duplicate a sound like that from Reason coming straight off a computer.

I seriously feel like I'm saying the same things over and over again in every thread, but here we go again...

Final mixing and mastering can only do so much to improve the tune. If the tune sounds flat and dull before mastering it will sound flat and dull after it too. You have to have the foundations right even before the mastering, it can't turn shit to diamonds.


Posted by Damie Mckeown on Feb-02-2004 13:50:

Yeah thats in-denial bollocks, something we may have all used to pursade ourselfs its not our fault. But you can get things sounding EXTREMELY close to proffesional in any sequencer used around here. I bet The entire Traffic could have been made in fruityloops.


Posted by urmyuk1 on Feb-02-2004 16:49:

thanks for all your coments, but it was a couple of examples i was after.


Posted by DinaireFan1 on Feb-05-2004 05:58:

I wouldn't get so hung up on exactly duplicating the kick that you lose the overall forest for the trees. I would concentrate on all of the parts, and how they flow from section to section and over the course of the whole song (or mix).


Posted by Sebraa on Feb-05-2004 07:37:

Totally offtopic but last night I heard IAN VAN DAHL "Reason" and the main synth sounds 98% like TRAFFIC synth

BTW: in WINAMP5 there is videostream too and few good dance-trance channels out there!! Check it out!


Posted by Mr.Mystery on Feb-05-2004 09:38:

quote:
Originally posted by Sebraaa12
Totally offtopic but last night I heard IAN VAN DAHL "Reason" and the main synth sounds 98% like TRAFFIC synth

Reason also uses a drumloop from Techno eJay...


Posted by Sebraa on Feb-07-2004 09:14:

nice choice then


Posted by The Designer on Feb-10-2004 16:18:

quote:
Originally posted by Mr.Mystery
Reason also uses a drumloop from Techno eJay...


Do you have any proof of that??


Posted by Mr.Mystery on Feb-10-2004 18:41:

quote:
Originally posted by The Designer
Do you have any proof of that??

I would but I can't export the loop from Techno eJay since it isn't Win XP compatible.


Posted by dbl on Feb-10-2004 19:24:

quote:
Originally posted by Mr.Mystery
Reason also uses a drumloop from Techno eJay...


hahahaha.. coool


Posted by Limit on Feb-10-2004 19:36:

A HELL NO they didn't use a loop from techno ejay....I don't think that Christophe and Erik would do that...they have way too much hardware and way too much talent to do that. When they go for their kicks they use an Emu and start from there...I've spoken to them a few times and doesnt seem like they would use any type of pre-maufactured loop.

Limit Out!


Posted by Mr.Mystery on Feb-10-2004 20:13:

quote:
Originally posted by Limit
A HELL NO they didn't use a loop from techno ejay....I don't think that Christophe and Erik would do that...they have way too much hardware and way too much talent to do that. When they go for their kicks they use an Emu and start from there...I've spoken to them a few times and doesnt seem like they would use any type of pre-maufactured loop.

Limit Out!

Then why does Techno eJay have the EXACT SAME drumloop in it? And before you ask, Techno eJay was out way before Reason...

Many people use pre-made loops, there's nothing weird about it.


Posted by FuzzyGreen on Feb-10-2004 20:30:

Just because some artist has a lot of hardware or studio resources doesn't mean that they don't use samples or loops.


Posted by Limit on Feb-10-2004 20:32:

ok number one i've talked to both producers of Ian Van Dhal and know how they work...they are very anal about using pre made loops and stuff. Number two Ian Van Dahl was out before trechno ejay they were just under different alias's...honestly i really don't care and don't know why i'm posting to this but anyway these are my thoughts...think whatever you want cause i am content.

Limit Out!


Posted by Mr.Mystery on Feb-10-2004 20:33:

quote:
Originally posted by Limit
ok number one i've talked to both producers of Ian Van Dhal and know how they work...they are very anal about using pre made loops and stuff. Number two Ian Van Dahl was out before trechno ejay they were just under different alias's...honestly i really don't care and don't know why i'm posting to this but anyway these are my thoughts...think whatever you want cause i am content.

Limit Out!

Ian van Dahl may have been but that doesn't change the fact Reason wasn't.

Why is it such a big deal to you anyway?


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