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OK, i don't know if im the only one who thinks this but i think that Sasha & John Digweed suck! ok there mixing isn't bad, its the horrible track selection. every track they play is very repative and boring. i hope i don't offend any one but why do they get all these good reviews and shit..any opinions??????
Totally agree. Sasha and Digweed are way over-rated. Every mix of their's i've heard the track selection is horrible.
Well sorry to say to everyone that likes Sasha and Digweed but I have listened to thier mixes over and over again to try and find why alot of people worship them and you know what, I couldnt see why at all. I mean, the mixing is o.k. but I dont see why everyone likes them so much. Anywayz, I respect all dj's that are bringing trance to newcomers more and more everyday. Since you can say that Sasha and Digweed are more commercial than anything, thats probably who any newcomer would listen to fist. For a good Dj with good tracklistings and good sets I would suggest GeorgeAcosta, http://www.georgeacosta.com.
[Edited by JayD on Jan-13-2001 at 23:28]
Even though they have so many fans, i would have to agree that their hype is not worth half of their fame, Sasha and digweed SUCK...no offense to any hardcore digweed fans or sasha fans, i personally liked the global underground mixes they made, everything else wasnt too good.
I think why alot of people love the likes of Sasha and Digweed, myself included, is that they don't have to rely on the cheesy anthems that alot of other djs default to. For instance, Tiesto, van Dyk, and even Oakenfold spin alot of well known, over-used songs. I love these guys as much as you all do, but they don't have the originality in song selection that Sasha and Digweed do. Maybe I am going out on a limb here, but maybe you find their song selection boring because you have a very narrow taste in what progressive has to offer. Anthems are fine, but Sasha and Digweed tirelessly search out unknown tracks and blend them together brilliantly. That takes talent. Whether you are able to appreciate it or not probably relates to the maturity of your musical taste.
As for calling Digweed and Sasha commercial, I think that is a bit of an ignorant statement. Their song selection testifies to that. Who continually drops Darude, Zombie Nation, or Storm? That would be Tiesto, van Dyk, or Oakenfold before Diggers or Sasha.
Are you saying Zombie Nation, Darude, and Storm are all bad Producers, or are you saying they sell out?
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| Originally posted by DJ Guangzhou As for calling Digweed and Sasha commercial, I think that is a bit of an ignorant statement. Their song selection testifies to that. Who continually drops Darude, Zombie Nation, or Storm? That would be Tiesto, van Dyk, or Oakenfold before Diggers or Sasha. |
I dunno what you guys are smoking but John Digweed is fucking amazing.
I saw him here live in March 2000 and he spun an AMAZING set with a wicked vibe... I honestly can't remember dancing that much to a set in my whole life... Mauro Picotto came close but Digweed takes the crown...
Good track selection and awesome mixing.. I wasn't bored one bit during his whole 3 hour set...it was sweet..
Sasha and Digweed both are different than the other djs (in my opinion) that they have a diverse style.. they just don't drop epic and uplifting and that's what I like.. I think u peepz don't like them because it's not the style of trance you like, so if not, that's cool.. u still got the djs who do spin what u like.. but Sasha and Digweed don't suck just cuz you're not into what they play.. personally I love what they spin and how they spin it..
latez...
Seeing that they (Sasha & Digweed) are resident at Twilo here in NYC, pretty much agree with JayD that they are "commercial". Any Joe Shmoo will tell you the name Sasha and/or Digweed, without knowing what trance is. Now as to them being bad DJz, well they please the crowdz when they spin. They might not spin the "known trackz" that every tranceaddict lovez and adorez, but hey they do keep the place pumpin till the sun comez up. Personally I don't like the track selection, since itz a bit harder and borders hard house/techno. Now mentiopning Oakenfold in spinning anthemz, well who do you think MADE the trackz into anthemz (same goes for PvD and Tiesto'z selectionz)?
I find PvD, Oakey and Tiestoz set a lot more enjoyable than Sasha and Digweed'z (IMHO). As to Digweed and Muir's Bedrock, mmm, 'nuff said.
Sasha & Digweed
OK I am downloading a Armin Van Buuren mix at the moment and was looking through the site when I came upon this discussion forum and more importantly the rubbish that some people are talking about sasha and digweed. First of all if being commercial is being well know you can hardly blame them. Its not their fault that they are well known. What would be poor is if they play cheesy big tunes just to sell cds but they don't. When was the last time you saw them do a cream or minstry cd. They don't because they are shit. The great thing about Sasha & Digweed is that their mixing is seamless. You can't tell when you go from one track to another, and their style is different to all the stuff that is on this site at the moment, they play progressive house/trance, that is very different to the stuff PVD and Tiesto etc play. Their sets are also much more controlled building up slowly from the beginning. Sets by Tiesto and PVD and Oakey etc tend to be a lot more up and down, not that I am crticising they are just different. I was talking to a friend the other day and we were saying that to compare oakey with sasha and digweed is like chalk and cheese. They are so different it is unreal. The problem is that people don't seam to appreciate the different skills and styles of so many djs. One of my new favourites is deep dish and danny tenaglia, i know they don't play trance but their sets are brilliant anyway.
children children..
what you dont realize is that sasha and john digweed dont really reprsent the trance we are listening to.. today. their style is more progressive trance, and old style trance from back in like 1995/96..
digger is fucking amazing, tru that.. i saw him here in LA once and i didnt stop moving. he can read a crowd like none other.
i'm not very partial to sasha, i beleive it should be..
"JOHN DIGWEED and sasha the groupie"
peace.
and to positiva, "are you saying darude, storm, and zombie nation are bad producers?"
i'm saying they are bad producers. have you heard any of their other tracks?! they are the backstreet boys of the underground dance scene. strait up. they make cheeze records and would NEVER be on my playlists..
well first off, about Darude, Zombie Nation, and Storm...they produce CHEESY SHIT, and should all jump off a cliff, especially darude (mr.self proclaimed world's greatest producer).
secondly, about sasha and digweed...just cause you don't like, or better yet *understand*, what they spin, you can't go knocking the world's two best dj's. they don't pic out anthems cause that's not there style, instead they use realatively unkown tracks (especially cause alot of them are unreleased) and slowly build the intensity through the night, bringing the crowd to a peak without them even realizing it. and no one, i repeat no one, is a better mixer than either of those guys. end of story.
ohhh yeah, it's kind of hard to avoid that 'commercial' label when you are rated numbers one and three in the world respectively. pvd releases an album every six months, so does tiesto, i'd call that pretty damned commercial too. but does it make them bad dj's, i don't think so.
Has Darude actually claimed to be the best producer in the world? I can't believe that! Amazing..talk about confidence (and ignorance).
Well, that's not really why I'm posting. I simply think that Storm doesn't deserve to be labeled as commercial shit, given the heritage of the two producers Jam El Mar and Mark Spoon. Remember "The Age Of Love", "Right In The Night" and "Storm". I don't think these are formulaic or commercial, but just happened to be universally likeable, and therefore became commercial hits. I still rate these tracks up high along my faourites.
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| Originally posted by trancaholic Remember "The Age Of Love", "Right In The Night" and "Storm". I don't think these are formulaic or commercial, but just happened to be universally likeable, and therefore became commercial hits. I still rate these tracks up high along my faourites. |
God Damnit!
This is why I sometimes HATE forums. You post an opinion and people attack you for it. Hey, that is fine, but don't convelute what I am saying. No Positiva, I am not saying Darude and Zombie Nation are bad producers. Read what the fuck I said and you will see what I meant. I stated, in my opinion, Darude is a bit more commercial then Sasha. Wouldn't most people agree? Take Sandstorm. You here it non-stop. When was the last time you heard Arkham Asylum on the radio? Arkham Asylum? Huh, what? (Sasha track) Furthermore, I think the term commercial is being confused with well-known. Great, John Doe can tell me Sasha has a residency at Twilo. Does that make him commercial? Absolutely not. I understand that for some people on this site English is not a first language. I am cool with that, I like the diversity it brings. But for non-English and English speakers alike, commercial does not necessarily mean well-known. Commercial refers to what is generally accepted by the public. Hey, electronic music is not too big in the states. My girlfriend may be able to tell me Sasha is a dj, but the only electronic music she will listen to, is bubblely, cheese trance (i.e. DARUDE!!!)
So please, if you need to, reread my posts. I don't care if you quote and then flame me. But don't put words into my mouth. It is disrespectful.
ok
I feel like saying something here...
I haven't heard much of Digweed OR Sasha, but I would have to say simply from Sasha's GU Ibiza disc you cannot say he is shitty DJ. When I first got the disc all I listened to were the more 'friendly' songs on there (i.e. disc 2). Recently I became infected with it as a whole. Sasha brings the listener from a standstill, to off the hook by the end of cd one. I agree with the statement that his sound is very progressive, with subtlety the name of the game. As for mixing skills, I have heard Sasha do amazing things I have never heard Tiesto, Oakey, AvB or anyone else doing. Take Sander Kleinenberg - Sacred in GU disc one. He never plays the song for longer than a minute and a half but even after he moves to the next song, sacred is brought in and out until the end of the disc. Sasha is not just playing songs one after the other, he weaves a soundscape. Umm...yeah stuff and things. well i have run out of things to say and i need to do something beyond this whole forum thing - so i will stop right now. peez
Check out Oakenfold's EM from Ibiza in mid-99. He does the same thing Sasha did with Sacred, except with Nalin & Kane's Open Your Eyes. In my humble opinion, it is better than even Sasha's legendary GU San Fran!
Sot!!! you took the words out of my mouth...i feel the same way about Sasha & Digweed... i love epic and Uplifting Trance.. thats why i think there boring if someone is really into Pure Progressive trance thats is more repetive with the synth lines...then you could really enjoy S&D's stuff... .but still i think its kinda boring in my mind.. But people forget to relize is that Djing is not about being cool and play pure progressive tunes..and mixing well!!.... the most important aspect is that can they read the crowd well and know what tunes to play are the top djs in my mind... like Paul van dyk...he doesnt play just one type of trance... its all mixed progressive,epic,hard,techno...all together and he can read the crowd so well and that make me just go insane...i love it...when i saw Sasha & DIgweed they didnt do anything to me like Van dyk did!!...but people have different tastes so who cares right!! but if they do it for you then the better for you =).. still think S&D are boring loL!!
tsk tsk tsk kids 
opinions?
later
PSi
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| Originally posted by sot OK, i don't know if im the only one who thinks this but i think that Sasha & John Digweed suck! ok there mixing isn't bad, its the horrible track selection. every track they play is very repative and boring. i hope i don't offend any one but why do they get all these good reviews and shit..any opinions?????? |
i am just having problems with the fact that someone said S&D suck and we should all listen to Acosta...jesus. 'good track selection' doesnt involve picking all the most obvious anthems.
whenever i imagine someone who calls music repetitive and boring all i see is someone with no attention span who put about 15 mins into trying to understand the appeal. the fact is: they are pioneers in the underground, and can move you with shit youve never heard before if you are willing to give them a chance. late/
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| Originally posted by biznology I feel like saying something here... I haven't heard much of Digweed OR Sasha, but I would have to say simply from Sasha's GU Ibiza disc you cannot say he is shitty DJ. When I first got the disc all I listened to were the more 'friendly' songs on there (i.e. disc 2). Recently I became infected with it as a whole. Sasha brings the listener from a standstill, to off the hook by the end of cd one. I agree with the statement that his sound is very progressive, with subtlety the name of the game. As for mixing skills, I have heard Sasha do amazing things I have never heard Tiesto, Oakey, AvB or anyone else doing. Take Sander Kleinenberg - Sacred in GU disc one. He never plays the song for longer than a minute and a half but even after he moves to the next song, sacred is brought in and out until the end of the disc. Sasha is not just playing songs one after the other, he weaves a soundscape. Umm...yeah stuff and things. well i have run out of things to say and i need to do something beyond this whole forum thing - so i will stop right now. peez |
I don't think their mixing is bad, but since I prefer uplifting trance, their track sets are soo boring for me...
I hear they are very good........dunno......i find out on april 5th when the delta heavy tour drops into toronto. They have an essential mix on SAT NIGHT AT 9PM (My time) ON RADIO 1!
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