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The Sorry State of Trance in Our Beloved NYC

Hey peeps, what's up. I've read and enjoyed these boards for a while, and I've decided to post now that I have something to say.

What's up with the sorry-ass state of trance here in our beloved NYC? I went to PVD's last set, and I have to say, I was quite disgusted. . .not because of the music, no sir, the source of my discomfort was THE LACK OF FEMALES ON THE DANCEFLOOR.

I mean seriously, fellas - are we NYC tranceheads running a giant gym class here? Almost the entire dancefloor of the Roxy was occupied by guys.

Let's face it - if we want trance to live and thrive in NYC (our dream since the 90s), we had better focus on getting more girls into these events, because while we may live for this music, it isn't 100% of the equation.

Just my two cents. . .and to pre-empt those who may try to hate on this thread, I say this:

A party can have the best setup and the best music, but without ample numbers of the opposite sex, it isn't really a party, is it?

For trance to thrive in NYC, it has to succeed during club nights - and success during club nights largely translates to women.

This is New York fuckin' City, the Capital of the World. . . we already have the best DJs coming in, and in my opinion, its up to the rest of us, as New Yorkers, to bring the party that will keep them here for years to come.

Peace,
Slick

Fact~

The guy to girl ratio at Spirit is 50:50

Pyro, I'm not disputing Spirit (never been there myself), but here's some of my own observations:

~Fact:
Every big trance event I have gone to in the last two years has had about a 20:1 guy-to-girl ratio.

~Fact:
If a good crowd can't be present for the big jocks, a bona fide NYC trance scene never can and never will be a reality.

Seriously, I know the folks on this board can bear me out - there's been times at Roxy when I've seen chicks literally *chased* off the floor. There were so few of them in attendance that they were being set upon by huge packs of guys whenever they came within range of the dancefloor.

Peace,
Slick

Re: The Sorry State of Trance in Our Beloved NYC

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Originally posted by Mr_Slick This is New York fuckin' City, the Capital of the World. . . we already have the best DJs coming in, and in my opinion, its up to the rest of us, as New Yorkers, to bring the party that will keep them here for years to come. Peace, Slick

ok there buddy chill it a tad will you ?

I don't live in the city and I'm there only on "rare" occasions. I never really thought there was a lack of females but to be honest I don't pay attention to the attendance... All I know is that roxy is famous for the huge lines at the girls's bathroom when there's headliners .... Maybe that's where they all are!

i didnt know this was tranceandgirlsaddict.com?
show some substance to a post that deserves no recognition. rethink your post and where you are at, this isnt clubplanet dude!

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Originally posted by Mr_Slick Pyro, I'm not disputing Spirit (never been there myself), but here's some of my own observations: ~Fact: Every big trance event I have gone to in the last two years has had about a 20:1 guy-to-girl ratio. ~Fact: If a good crowd can't be present for the big jocks, a bonified NYC trance scene never can and never will be a reality. Seriously, I know the folks on this board can bear me out - there's been times at Roxy when I've seen chicks literally *chased* off the floor. There were so few of them in attendance that they were being set upon by huge packs of guys whenever they came within range of the dancefloor. Peace, Slick

bonified? is that intentional? boner, bonified. har har. bona fide. and i'm always seeing the asian females out there at these things. i don't know what u're looking at. i'm not sure any of the TA guys would agree about being a pack of wolves whenever a girl's on the floor. i can't speak for everyone here, but i'm definitely there for the music first. girls come next but aren't necessary to having a good night (well maybe they are ).

I consider them as "Music Events" rather then parties...
so I don't reall care about guy-girl ratio, cuz I go to club for the muzik not for girls...
just my .02

Trunks, exactly - we attend for the music. . .that is why we are all here.

Let me clarify in saying that the music is the absolute first reason I go to these things. No DJ, no music = no party, no reason to come out. However, people in this thread are already getting heated as if I am hating on trance, when nothing could be farther than the truth.

I've been a trance fan for a while, and anyone else who has been can tell you the scene has taken a BIG downturn, especially after 2001. I don't know about you, but I remember events with crowds that blew PVD's last performance out of the water, not just in terms of guys and girls, but in terms of overall fun and energy. I mention girls because they happen to be a very important element that contributes to an awesome crowd.

This post is geared towards the NYC scene as a whole; despite my complaints, I've had some killer times whenever a trance jock comes to town, so why not build on that?

Not trying to sound pretentious, but if you think PVD's last event at Roxy is an example of a great trance event, well, it compares poorly to the rest of NYC non-trance events and the rest of the trance world. I love trance and I love the vibe it brings - and I would love to see that vibe realized in a more complete manner on the dancefloor.

That's my main message with this post - and I would appreciate it if we could have some constructive conversation on it instead of immediate rebukes. This is a discussion board for the trance community, right?

And lastly, if you go "just for the music", that's fine too - but there are some people who go out there for the whole package - and that includes hearing bangin' tracks while dancing with women.

It just so happens that that same situation brings money into clubs, which forms a following, which forms a scene. Just because I appreciate that sort of thing doesn't make me any less of a fan.

Again, it all goes back to the scene - and there isn't much of one in NYC aside from big-name events.

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Originally posted by DanAX I consider them as "Music Events" rather then parties... so I don't reall care about guy-girl ratio, cuz I go to club for the muzik not for girls... just my .02

I consider them parties over music events.
sure the music is the backbone of the party, but dont forget your there to have a good time, to PARTY!
I dont stand in front of the DJ all night, i find that to be pointless and a waste, im out enjoying the atmosphere the DJ created.

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I dont stand in front of the DJ all night, i find that to be pointless and a waste, im out enjoying the atmosphere the DJ created.

Amen to that!

IMO, a dance event is about the whole experience - to me, a DJ is more than a vinyl jockey, he's a maestro who knows how to connect with a room and whip it into a frenzy!

Said frenzy is increased with an awesome crowd - reading the PVD review thread, I've seen more than a few posts that cite the dancing arrangements/lack thereof to be a sticking point.

I would say that an event the size of PVD@Roxy would be indicative to the state of trance in NYC today - hence my original post.

Peace,
Slick

I go to PVD to support him and enjoy his tracks by seeing him playing it.

If you wanna see more chicks go to a freaking Hip-Hop party, I am sure you gonna see a lot of girls over there...

Respect the Muzik,
Respect the DJ.

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I go to PVD to support him and enjoy his tracks by seeing him playing it. If you wanna see more chicks go to a freaking Hip-Hop party, I am sure you gonna see a lot of girls over there...

This is the attidue I don't understand. I just said in my previous post that chicks are not the #1 reason - this is tranceaddict.com, right?

You want to support PVD, that's fine. Personally speaking, I am not his #1 fan. . .but I am a big TRANCE fan - and I don't want to go to "freaking Hip-Hop parties". I want to go to trance parties.

WHAT ON EARTH can be wrong with wanting to hear THE BEST TRACKS of your FAVORITE MUSIC while dancing with girls? I think we can all agree that PVD, scruples aside, delivers on the music side.

And again, going back to the scene - crowds profit clubs and clubs bring in DJs - a crowd with more girls spends more money which enables that DJ to be booked more frequently. That's not the whole picture, but a damn good lot of it.

An attidue of "I like it the way it is" will guarantee that trance stays at its lowly state in NYC. IMO, trance only increased in visibility here due to the horrid state of Manhattan nightlife - clubs need acts to bring in heads, and therefore have more open booking preferences.

I don't know about you, but I could deal with more trance in NYC. It all starts on the dancefloor.

i'm totally misunderstanding or missing the point of this thread. granted that dancing with females is a fine thought. i think u're generalizing it based on the roxy and even then the crowd was not a sausage fest. ferry the following night seemed to have a great many females present (induced by avalon's bouncers no doubt). regardless of whether or not females are present, (imo anyway) a club does not deem a night a success if they can bring in females. how can u be sure that girls would be spending more money anyway? they might bring in more money because guys would be looking to pick up these chicks. anyway i think i'm rambling because i don't see the central focus of your argument. i think your lament is that there're no chicks at these places, thus it is your definition of the sorry state of trance in NYC, yet u're still having a great time on club nights. so do u really need more females present?

-Clubs deem a night a success based on one thing: money

-Girls increase spending because guys always spend money on girls ("Hey can I buy you a drink?" "Dammit my girl needs another water!" etc.)

-Yes, you are rambling a little, but that's cool, I do it all the time (which I why I revert to bullet points here)

-I have a GREAT time at these events because I am a TRANCE fan; but I know based on past experiences that I could be having a LOT BETTER of a time.

-Why? Because trance rocks that hard, and it deserves an environment in which to show that. . .properly. And the proper club experience consists of way more than what we saw at PVD.

Females are only part of it, although I see them as a very big part. My overall point here is:

The NYC scene is weak. Despite a strong following and great DJs, many of its events lack the fun I have grown accustomed to. Why is this? What can we do to improve it?

And lastly, yes, I need more females. Whether you think NYC trance is a sausage-fest or not, I don't see many siutations where that is a BAD thing

Peace,
Slick:

i have to agree with mr sleek here. the girl to guy ratio at trance related or even edm related events is just terrible. What i think the problem is, i ask alot of girls i know this question and get the same answer everytime.
me: "why dont you girls goto clubs"
girls i know: "because everytime we go, we feel like were getting violated by all the guys touching my ass or making me dance witht hem and we dont like that"

basically, they stereo type all clubs into being like that which is why you more often or not see more guys then girls at these events. sure they're exceptions to this, but this is definitely one reason why we see more guys then girls at these events.

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Originally posted by kid nyce i didnt know this was tranceandgirlsaddict.com? show some substance to a post that deserves no recognition. rethink your post and where you are at, this isnt clubplanet dude!

If PVD was booked at a gay club would you go?

I don't know about you, but I go to clubs to get my bone-on.

Do you know why these days PVD, Sasha don't play good gigs? Do you know why no clubs these days can't compare with TWILO?

I think u know the answer to these. We trance lovers go to their gigs because we admire them, we love their muzik, and we share the same interest. But now days, most clubs except (ARC), brings the crowds that just there to party, for the scenary, and get hook up with gals. That's y EXIT was whack, Avalon sucks even though they many good line ups, and many other clubs.

If been to TWILO before, there weren't many gals, but the club itself attracts people, i used to live there every weekend and I am sure many others did too.

All I am trying to say, girls are not the factor brings down trance, it is the crowds...

At last! A few individuals who agree with me!

Unlike other people who would be dismissive of this thread, lets push it forward. . .

If we can agree the "social" aspects of trance events are the pits, or at least stand to be greatly improved, why do you think it is that way?

Most importantly, what can we do to improve it?

To recap for those who may just be joining: We are talking about the state of trance in NYC and its comparison to the ideal club experience (concentrating on the much needed involvement of women). In my eyes, NYC trance events have a long way to go - after all, isn't the whole conecpt of dance (not counting the gay audience) and dance music virtually rooted in guy/girl interaction? I don't think I am out of line saying that a few more female fans would go a long way in helping out the vibe of the current crowd, unless you see being in the same club as women to be an undesirable thing. I'm not dissing the music - the music is A1 - but the whole experience could be a lot more fun overall.

Where did dance music come from:
Dance clubs

Where did dance clubs come from:
People who want to profit from the inevitable need for men and women to socialize; people who know what a genuine good time consists of, and who wish to profit by providing it to others.

Hope this serves to clarify some of the reasoning behind this thread. It all ties together, my fellow tranceheads.

Peace,
Slick

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Originally posted by kid nyce i didnt know this was tranceandgirlsaddict.com? show some substance to a post that deserves no recognition. rethink your post and where you are at, this isnt clubplanet dude!

clubplanet has chix and trance?? YOOOOOO imma check that ish out!

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Originally posted by sot girls i know: "because everytime we go, we feel like were getting violated by all the guys touching my ass or making me dance witht hem and we dont like that"

That's true in EXIT, ROXY, AVALON, not ARC...
Like I said there are people go to club for good muzik, and there are people go to club for gals...

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DanAX: Like I said there are people go to club for good muzik, and there are people go to club for gals...

. . and there are people who go for both.


I go for the whole clubbing experience, and it has, and always will boil down to three things:

1) Bangin DJ / music / sound
2) Good club / venue
3) Attractive looking members of the opposite sex

Again, music is #1 because this is trance, and trance is all about emotion, the experience, the togetherness, etc. etc. etc. . . .

My point is that while some may go "only for the music", I am someone who goes for all of it. That doesn't make me any less of a fan.

Trance in NYC is very far away from meeting those three requirements. You can argue that one or maybe two are in there, but as far as all three of those elements being housed under the same roof, at a dedicated trance event, well, I haven't seen that since, oh...1999.


Peace,
Slick

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Originally posted by Mr_Slick I go for the whole clubbing experience, and it has, and always will boil down to three things: 1) Bangin DJ / music / sound 2) Good club / venue 3) Attractive looking members of the opposite sex Trance in NYC is very far away from meeting those three requirements. You can argue that one or maybe two are in there, but as far as all three of those elements being housed under the same roof, at a dedicated trance event, well, I haven't seen that since, oh...1999.

Well, I don't know about you, but I waste too much time dealing with girls everyday. When I go to club, I just wanna enjoy my muzik and dance to the muzik...

1 & 2 are good enough for me....

yea i agree. so many guys @ roxy last friday. i was like WTF? i thought i was going to be sick. :S

Shit man, i was getting it on with some hott chick at the roxy but i do agree, before me their were 3 guys getting it on with her. What i hate the most is guys in their with no shirts... don't see a point in that unless they get so hott that they die. Not much we can do about it overall though, chicks don't last as long as guys in the clubs so... i guess we need a new breed of chicks

the lack of chix in any club is inexcusable.

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