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quick question about my turntables (setting them up now)

Are you supposed to put on the rubber mat, transparant sheet, AND the slipmat (in that order?) Or just the rubber mat/slip mat, or just the slipmat, etc?

And just to make perfectly sure... the actual platter doesn't have to lineup with anything, you just place it down on the spindle, nice and level?

It should be platter - transparent sheet - slipmat - record.
The platter should just fit right on the spindle, don't need to line it up with anything on most decks.

Alright thats what I wanted to make sure.

Also, where is the control for the tracking weight? I see anti-skate and height, but not tracking.

Tracking weight is controlled by the weight that is on the opposite end of the tone arm as the stylus. It screws on the back of the tone arm and as you screw it on the further forward it moves which adds more weight. Install you needle with headshell and everything and take off any stylus cover (if there is one). Now put a record on the deck and hang the needle over the record. Adjust the weight on the back of the tone arm by screwing/unscrewing it until the tone arm is perfectly parallel to the platter (this means the needle will not be touching if the height is set correctly). Now turn the little numbered guage thing that is by the weight on the tonearm to read 0. Now turn the weight and the guage should move with it and each number is a gram of tracking force.

If this is unclear I can try and clarify. Also this is for a Technics and should work on any deck that is trying to be one

tracking weight...hmmm....you mean tracking force....ah there the same thing


and you might have to line up your platter. it most likely locks into place onto the motor.

and because idiots will tell you all sorts of ridiculus things SET THE ANTI-SKATE TO ZERO!!!!! i get so angry the amount of people who dont realise this

Well thats what I thought... but I was reading a thread where people were using their whitelabels (which I ordered) without the removable counterweight on the back, and about 2.5g of tracking force, which is throwing me off. Am I thinking of something else?

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Originally posted by nrjizer Well thats what I thought... but I was reading a thread where people were using their whitelabels (which I ordered) without the removable counterweight on the back, and about 2.5g of tracking force, which is throwing me off. Am I thinking of something else?

Your probably thinking of the headshell weight... Never heard of anyone taking off their counterwieght.

Alright. So, for the sake of making sure, each horizontal notch on the back of the tonearm where the counterweight goes indicates 1 gram, right? So when you've got the weight right up on the first notch, its at 0g?

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Originally posted by nrjizer Well thats what I thought... but I was reading a thread where people were using their whitelabels (which I ordered) without the removable counterweight on the back, and about 2.5g of tracking force, which is throwing me off. Am I thinking of something else?

if they are really doing that then they can kiss goodbye to there records after they play them once!!!

set up corectly carts shouldnt really skip. The most common reason that skippage occurs, when carts are set up fine, is people being too rough with the decks. be gentle, caress and stroke the record. it does not tacke superspeed cueing and an emence pressure to cue the record.

also give the carts time once they are set up right as carts need worn in to work most efectively. all carts (bar one that i know of) need broken in before they hold like glue.

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Originally posted by nrjizer Alright. So, for the sake of making sure, each horizontal notch on the back of the tonearm where the counterweight goes indicates 1 gram, right? So when you've got the weight right up on the first notch, its at 0g?

First off, wind the weight on the tone-arm right to the back of the arm, so it is pointing to the sky.



Next, wind the weight back on until there is enough weight to keep it hovering in mid air. turn off the ant-skate - otherwise the arm will move from left to right, and hinder your accuracy.

When the arm is level, rotate the indicator ring so that th 0 mark on it lines up with the mark at the top of the weight.
Now, look at the manufacturers recommendations for the amount of weight that should be applied and wind on this amount. Of course, this is their base recommendation. you can go outside there boudaries if REALLY neaded but you probaly are not giving the carts time if this is the case.

Ahh, I think I misunderstood what they were saying. I beleive they were talking about that little weight that screws on the back of tonearm.

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Originally posted by nrjizer Ahh, I think I misunderstood what they were saying. I beleive they were talking about that little weight that screws on the back of tonearm.

Yes probobly, with my Ortofon Concords I have never used that additional little weight.

Yes, you can do fine without this little weight. If the whitelabels are new, set the tracking weight to 2.5, height to 2/2.5 mm (doesn't really matter) and antiskate with 0, without the little counterweight.

You should go fine with that settings on a 1200. After a few weeks, you can change the tracking force to 2.25 or 2, since the needles take some time to adjust.

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Originally posted by nrjizer Ahh, I think I misunderstood what they were saying. I beleive they were talking about that little weight that screws on the back of tonearm.

Yes probobly, with my Ortofon Concords I have never used that additional little weight.

Also, each notch on the Technics is 0.1 grams, the part labeled 0.5 is 0.5 grams.

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Originally posted by borron If the whitelabels are new, set the tracking weight to 2.5, height to 2/2.5 mm (doesn't really matter) and antiskate with 0, without the little counterweight.

No, the height is different for everyone (even if using 1200s). If you are both using Technics tts, the difference in the correct height will depend on the slip mates. The Technics slipmats that came with my M3Ds were fairly thin but my current ones are rather thick.

alright that sounds clear enough. As for the counterweight, that first horizontal notch = 0g, correct?

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Originally posted by nrjizer alright that sounds clear enough. As for the counterweight, that first horizontal notch = 0g, correct?

yes



hurry up and set up and get spinning!!!

waiting for my damn mixer and needles to arrive!

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Originally posted by nrjizer Ahh, I think I misunderstood what they were saying. I beleive they were talking about that little weight that screws on the back of tonearm.

Exactly Using the Whitelabels does not require the *little* additional counterweight to be used.

hmmm...should everyone set their anti-skate to zero...whatever their carts are?

I don't understand why someone would say to put anti-skate at zero. To correctly set antiskate you need a blank (grooveless) record. Put the needle on the blank record and turn on the TT, the needle will skate to the inside or outside of the record. Adjust the antiskate so that it stays in the center. If you don't have any one sided vinyl you can guesstimate by putting it to about the same number of grams of tracking force (ie, 2.5 grams of tracking 2.5 antiskate).

In the end I guess it is personal taste and whatever you prefer.

Antiskate is fine if all your doing is listening to records, but during backcueing, or any time your spinning the record backwards, it does the opposite of what antiskate is supposed to do, making the needle more prone to skip.

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Originally posted by `pr0digy Antiskate is fine if all your doing is listening to records, but during backcueing, or any time your spinning the record backwards, it does the opposite of what antiskate is supposed to do, making the needle more prone to skip.

im at a lost pr0digy! do people not read instruction manuals. it clearly says on mine. "Dont use anti-skating bias if you are backcueing"

your one of the only people ive ever met who understands this

Do NOT use anti-skate if you are back queing/DJing. Only use it if you are just listening to tracks like with your HI-FI setup or something like that, where you won't back que.

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Originally posted by KiNeTiC ENeRgY Do NOT use anti-skate if you are back queing/DJing. Only use it if you are just listening to tracks like with your HI-FI setup or something like that, where you won't back que.

So I googled a bit and found a few pages that do agree with what you guys are saying. I will give it a shot, though I don't have any skipping problems as it is. However, there is one advantage to having some anti-skate when you back cue, if the record does skip it will go to the out side so to get back to you cue point you just need to speed it up a bit. I find it is really easy to get back to where I was if it does skip this way. I suppose though if you are actually scratching and not just cueing records you would probably prefer no skips.

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