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I have a djm-500, and I've learned to use some of the effects, but the life of me, cannot understand exactly when to place them. Especially the Reverb, and Delay.. what are they used for, and when should I incorporate them into my mixes. Flanger and Echo are rather easy, and I guess autopan is just a fun thing to do really .. Any explanation would be great.

Now are the other effects processor I could hook up to my mixer, even though I have effects already, that might be beneficial and fun for me ?? And effects processors, how many effects do they generally come w/ ?

confused ... thanks for your help ahead of time ...

I tend to avoid using effects all together unless it is a well placed Filter or Flanger effect. Pan can do some cool stuff. But all in all, to me, effects really can get cheesy. I don't mess with delay or reverb at all, too much trouble to just end up sounding like crap anyways. I never bothered to even learn its functions or purpose.

just play with them and get a feel for when u think they fit. its all about experimenting. gotta learn how to be creative.

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Originally posted by PVD fanatic I have a djm-500, and I've learned to use some of the effects, but the life of me, cannot understand exactly when to place them. Especially the Reverb, and Delay.. what are they used for, and when should I incorporate them into my mixes. Flanger and Echo are rather easy, and I guess autopan is just a fun thing to do really .. Any explanation would be great. Now are the other effects processor I could hook up to my mixer, even though I have effects already, that might be beneficial and fun for me ?? And effects processors, how many effects do they generally come w/ ? confused ... thanks for your help ahead of time ...

There really isn't a right or wrong time to use them, just when you think or feel that at a particular moment, this type of effect would be cool here. Just like trancinchink said, be creative

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Originally posted by KiNeTiC ENeRgY There really isn't a right or wrong time to use them, just when you think or feel that at a particular moment, this type of effect would be cool here. Just like trancinchink said, be creative

naw your suppose to use it 1:17 mins into a record....hehe.


yeah I just started experimenting with some effects, I have a Korg kaoss mixer so I have tons of them....it takes time and lots of recordings.

when you are testing them out definitely record it and listen later to tell if it is cool.

is it a bad/good idea , if I already have several effects, to go out and get an effects processor ... personally I like the sounds of effects, it makes dj'ing fun ... with a effects processor outside my mixer, how many effects do they come equipped with ??

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Originally posted by PVD fanatic is it a bad/good idea , if I already have several effects, to go out and get an effects processor ... personally I like the sounds of effects, it makes dj'ing fun ... with a effects processor outside my mixer, how many effects do they come equipped with ??

some effects processors can have tons of effects.. in general, using effects with techno, jungle and drum & bass are more effective than trance. the styles just seem.. more receptive i guess you could say. if you use effects too much in trance it can get overwhelming, and as Dirk W said, sometimes it sounds really cheesy. with techno/jungle/drum&bass, effects really add to the tracks and the mix as a whole (imo at least)

plus effects are fun to screw around with

don't turn your back on the delay!!! if you work enough with it you can get immense results.

try setting it to half a beat with the depth about 2/3 up, play with the mix knob in time, as in: in half beats, as if to cut from wet to dry signal.... it will sound shit when you get it wrong, but when you get it right it sounds mint and you will be chuffed that you can do things that eddie halliwell does

there is loads of other things you can do with the delay, its just a matter of having the patience to work it out.

but yeah, effects on trance.. bleh. effects on hard stuff, breaks, techno and other stuff such like.. yay!

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try setting it to half a beat with the depth about 2/3 up, play with the mix knob in time, as in: in half beats, as if to cut from wet to dry signal....

tu face can u explain in more simple terms ? 1/2 beat... I dont know what exactly that is, im still very new at this. wet/dry signal ... not sure either ... i appreciate you taking the time out though.. thanks again.

i abuse the delay like hell... just experiment and you'll find uses for it.
esp with tracks with broken beats (breaks/dnb)

Hey

Most of the time I use echo its when the kick and bass are blowing up. I put it around 440 on my Pioneer DJM 500. Then I make the volume go up or down depending on what part of the song is playing. I hope this helps

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Originally posted by PVD fanatic tu face can u explain in more simple terms ? 1/2 beat... I dont know what exactly that is, im still very new at this. wet/dry signal ... not sure either ... i appreciate you taking the time out though.. thanks again.

wet = 100& effect and dry = no effect.. looking at the djm500 there isnt a specific mix knob.. so my best guess is to play with the the parameter min > max knob, then set the time to somewhere around 200 using the little auto bpm button thingys.. 1 beat is usually around 400 ish depending on how fast you are playing

but yeah theres tons of interesting stuff to do with the delay, you just got to play around loads to find it

off subject but how is that pioneer EFX unit, if anyone has one? i was thinking about getting one...

i have one, its wicked.. beats the djm600 one to the floor. basically has the same effects but its 100000000 x more controllable

is it worth it to get the pioneer effects rather than get a new mixer with effects??

i'm looking at getting a korg kaoss pad 2. it read up on both and the korg seems to have more of what i'm lookin for.

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Originally posted by seven.dj is it worth it to get the pioneer effects rather than get a new mixer with effects??

that really depends on what mixer you plan on getting, and what you plan on doing with the effects unit. unless it has send/recieve jacks on the back you can only have the effect over the master signal, and even with them sometimes it doesnt sound as good. with the djm mixers you can have it on either a single channel or the master, but an effects unit on its own is more controllable than one built into a mixer. my ideal fun setup would be a djm3000 AND an efx500

I don't really use effects units even if they are available to me. I have a Korg Chaos pad and don't really use that either.
My main complaint is that the sound quality reduction is too noticable when being processed through most (probably all) of the affordable units.

Send and recieve is a must in my opinion otherwise the effect dominates the signal and sounds so obvoiusly 'additional' that it will be screaming at you rather than making the listener think which mix is this?

The only effects I bother with are usually band filters (High and Low). A well placed delay can sound really nice but the thing is that the music so obviously looses something when it's taken away.

The Chaos pad does have some nice features that you can do while a vocal is running just before the breakdown kicks off but the other thing about effects is that less is more. Use it sparingly or your crowd (Even if it's your cat) will get bored and possibly even annoyed after a while.

They can be fun but they are gimmicky in my mind unless you shell out the big bucks to get propper stuff.

Just my 2 UK pound sterlings worth.
Nem

I just got the djm500. One effect i found pretty cool is if you use the echo betweetn 2 and about 20 milliseconds. its so small that you can't hear anything repeated but it makes a wierd hi pitched sound and if you change it from 2 to 4 to 6 and so on the tone changes. Has anyone else played around with this? is it to cheesy?

you have discovered picotto's little trick

if you use it well, good things will come, but it sounds wank if you do it wank. you have to be creative with it to make sure you arn't doing something that hasn't already been done a million times. i dont think you can do this on djm500, but it sounds wicked if you isolate it to only mids and highs, leaving the kick clean

the same goes with the use of a flanger... people who just let a flanger loose and let it do a couple of cycles then turn it off.. damnit use your brain

very cool stuff, sounds like a lot of fun, and hard work to make it all work right .. but hey, who said it was ever going to be easy .. thansk for the info , any more tricks of the trade would be much appreciated...

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Originally posted by DJ Joshua H I just got the djm500. One effect i found pretty cool is if you use the echo betweetn 2 and about 20 milliseconds. its so small that you can't hear anything repeated but it makes a wierd hi pitched sound and if you change it from 2 to 4 to 6 and so on the tone changes. Has anyone else played around with this? is it to cheesy?

i use the echo sometimes when im mixing to songs but only for a few seconds, also delay is pretty cool also reverb.

Tuface -- haha i had no idea that picotto used that! i think it sounds pretty damn good especiall if you use it in time etc...

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dj joshua H- I just got the djm500. One effect i found pretty cool is if you use the echo betweetn 2 and about 20 milliseconds. its so small that you can't hear anything repeated but it makes a wierd hi pitched sound and if you change it from 2 to 4 to 6 and so on the tone changes. Has anyone else played around with this? is it to cheesy?

what is the setting you use on the parameter at the time of the echo, does it equal what is in the top box??? and if so, when do u drop it ?? and what do u mean by "between 2 and about 20 milliseconds"????

im pretty sure you only use the top box for displaying the bpm for a cued song. The bottom box displays the parameter for whatever effect you have chosen: milliseconds for echo and delay and percent for pitch and reverb. Read the manual closely if you can, it goes into more detail.
If you chose 2 to 20 or so milliseconds for echo, you will hear a pretty cool electro type sound. Though it's up to you to place it properly...

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