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Orthodox Jewish response to the death of Yassin...

Just got this in e-mail and didn't hear about it on any news outlet. E-mail peace propoganda?

Orthodox Jews responding to the
assassination of Sheikh Yassin
A message delivered by Rabbi Yisroel Dovid Weiss at the memorial service in commemoration of Sheikh Yassin, held in New York City, hosted by the Arab Muslim American Federation.


Rabbi Weiss

The Jewish people throughout the world, who are true to their religion, have been thrown into turmoil and are deeply incensed at the recent colossal happening, the tragedy that has taken place.

We mourn together with our Palestinian cousins, the murder of Sheikh Ahmad Yassin.

As we gather our thoughts and attempt to again stand up to the evils of Zionism and the State of "Israel", we remind ourselves of one of the exceptional attributes of Sheikh Ahmad Yassin. He constantly drew a clear distinction between true Judaism and Zionism and between the practitioners of Judaism and Zionist perpetrators. The followers of Judaism were never considered by the Sheik to be an obstacle to true peace.

We declare that:

Zionism and Judaism are diametric opposites and totally incompatible.

Judaism is a G-dliness a religion of compation without any aspiration for a land or nationalistic entity. Zionism is the transformation of the above said religion into a G-dless political nationalistic entity with a land based goal.

Zionism and the State of "Israel" have no right to represent Judaism and/or the Jewish people.

Zionism and the State of Israel have no right to speak in the name of the Jewish people. The name "Israel" in reference to Zionism and their State is false, it has been usurped from the Jewish people.

True Jewry is deeply anguished by the existence of Zionism and the State of "Israel" and are constantly pained and humiliated by their actions.

Jews are required by G-d and the laws of His Torah to by loyal citizens in every country in which they reside. In the United States to the American government, in Iran to the Iranian government, Germany to the Germans, Tunisia, Yemen, Morocco and so on, to their respective rulerships. As such the Jewish people are required and want to reside as loyal citizens in the Holy Land under total Palestinian sovereignty.

The Jewish people have been co-existing and living harmonisly in peace and tranquility for centuries together with their Muslim/Arab brethren in Palestine and throughout the Muslim countries. Zionism, which was created around 100 years ago by non-religious Jews, in fact by Jews who detested the Jewish religion, was the sole cause for the rift, mistrust and animosity created between Muslims and Jews. Zionism is the root cause for the bloodshed and suffering to Muslim and Jew in the Middle East close to a century, may G-d have mercy.
May the dream of Shaikh Yassin not be late to rest, rather may G-d help that it come to fruition speedily and peacefully, painlessly without any further bloodshed. Arab and Jew living side by side under Palestinian rule over the entire Holy Land.

We pray that tragedies should never again occur and offer our deeply felt condolences to our Palestinian brethren. We pray to G-d for the speedy and peaceful dismantlement of the State of "Israel" - it's transformation into a Palestinian sovereignty and ultimately we pray for the revelation of G-d's glory over the entire universe, at which time all humanity will recognize the One G-d and serve Him in joyous harmony. Amen.


PS: No, I am not Jewish myself.

What is this garbage? Another reason why I despise orthodox Judaism and religion in general. Of course Zionism is a secular movement, but speeches like this are just pure pandering (I won't say to who - I think we all know).

Grow some balls, Rabbi Weiss.

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Originally posted by DigiNut What is this garbage?

That's all that needed to be said.

I think its just the 'spirtual leaders' looking out for one another

What's with the "G-D" crap?

These are the silenced voices of the true Jews. You won't hear about them in the media. They don't want you to know.

These Jews are brave and may God bless them.

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Originally posted by Palestinian These Jews are brave and may God bless them.

Ah, but which god (or G-D, if you will)?

why dont one side obliterate the other, or stop fucking up world peace. come on, end it now, or shut up...

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Originally posted by Heinz why dont one side obliterate the other, or stop fucking up world peace. come on, end it now, or shut up...

Is this Mr. ChristianIsMyLife over here saying that one side should murder thousands of others in support of their beliefs? Mr. Jesus is my savior is condoning mass murder?


Along with the others, I think this email you recieved is utter trash.

To clear it up. Those "orthodox Jews" do not feel any special sympathies for the poor Palestinians, they just have their own personal hatred towards the state of Israel and its founders due to the simple fact that they believe "Israel" should have only be founded by the returning (whenever he might come back... ) Messiah and nobody else. Well, good for them.

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Originally posted by Palestinian These are the silenced voices of the true Jews. You won't hear about them in the media. They don't want you to know. These Jews are brave and may God bless them.

Well I was just rifeling this forum and found this disturbning thread...

These are the voices of the smallest of the smallest of minorities in the Jewish people.

These voices have no influence what so ever in Israel beaucse they dont reckon it, yet they enjoy to leach off the benefits which Israel gives them.

Orthodox Jews do not reckon Israel as the chosen home land becuase according to the bible the true land of Israel will only exist when the Messiah comes.

And therefore they boycott Zionism, these are not the real jews, these are the fake jews and their numbers are very small, perhaps 100,000 worldwide, so you can shatter your image of these "true jews" to small pieces because no one likes them in Israel and they do not contribute to Israel, and I know what youre gonna say, no one likes them because they tell the truth and we are afraid to see Palestinians free.

No, no one likes them beacuase they leach off Israel in every chance they get - money and health services, yet they dont know it as a country, the real jews are the zionists, those that have came here in order to live peacefully and to settle in Israel's land, from there started the Israeli - Palestinian conflict...

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Originally posted by Scorchio Well I was just rifeling this forum and found this disturbning thread... These are the voices of the smallest of the smallest of minorities in the Jewish people. These voices have no influence what so ever in Israel beaucse they dont reckon it, yet they enjoy to leach off the benefits which Israel gives them. Orthodox Jews do not reckon Israel as the chosen home land becuase according to the bible the true land of Israel will only exist when the Messiah comes. And therefore they boycott Zionism, these are not the real jews, these are the fake jews and their numbers are very small, perhaps 100,000 worldwide, so you can shatter your image of these "true jews" to small pieces because no one likes them in Israel and they do not contribute to Israel, and I know what youre gonna say, no one likes them because they tell the truth and we are afraid to see Palestinians free. No, no one likes them beacuase they leach off Israel in every chance they get - money and health services, yet they dont know it as a country, the real jews are the zionists, those that have came here in order to live peacefully and to settle in Israel's land, from there started the Israeli - Palestinian conflict...

Obviously they're not liked in Israel. You stated yourself that according to the bible the true land of Israel will only exist when the Messiah comes. If that's true, then they are true Jews (i'm referring to Jew as a faith). These Jews don't want to be represented by a colonial state that was founded on terror and displacement. They feel such a state doesn't deserve to be called Jewish. Unfortunately, racist Zionism has been adopted by the majority of Jews around the world.

Omg, Weizmann was the messiah and nobody noticed it!!!!

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Originally posted by Palestinian Obviously they're not liked in Israel. You stated yourself that according to the bible the true land of Israel will only exist when the Messiah comes. If that's true, then they are true Jews (i'm referring to Jew as a faith). These Jews don't want to be represented by a colonial state that was founded on terror and displacement. They feel such a state doesn't deserve to be called Jewish. Unfortunately, racist Zionism has been adopted by the majority of Jews around the world.

Wrong
The bible has many interpertations, this is just one of them.
There are many other interpertations that prove otherwise, they just adapted that one as the Zionists adapted another.

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Originally posted by Scorchio Wrong The bible has many interpertations, this is just one of them. There are many other interpertations that prove otherwise, they just adapted that one as the Zionists adapted another.

you mean to say that isreali zionist jews who are secular and not ultra, chose to ignore that section of the bible - thats their interpretation

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Originally posted by Cyrus King you mean to say that isreali zionist jews who are secular and not ultra, chose to ignore that section of the bible - thats their interpretation

When it fits your agenda, even a hardcore-atheist like you starts defending word-to-word interpretations of the bible. Simply hilarious

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Originally posted by Scorchio Wrong The bible has many interpertations, this is just one of them. There are many other interpertations that prove otherwise, they just adapted that one as the Zionists adapted another.

Well if the Zionists adapted the interpretation that ended in blood shed (on both sides), massacres, and the flight of 700,000 refugees (with people still dying today) then that interpretation is sorely mistaken and if you can't realize that then God help you.

Zionist idialism was first adapted in the early years of the imigration to Israel, the meaning of Zionism is to settle in the land which holds the holy lands and holy places to the Jewish people.
The Western Wall, our ancesters graves, Beit Hamikdash...
Zionism is not a religion, its a way of life.
And Zionism is not a group of people that decided to make the lives of the Palestinians miserable, even if you think so.

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Originally posted by arctic What's with the "G-D" crap?

I wondered about this a few years ago when I started reading a lot of columns/papers from Israel. Here was the answer that I found:

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It has to do with the commandment about taking G-d's name in vain. It is believed that if the name was written on a piece of paper and the paper was crumpled, discarded, or destroyed it would be considered a sin.

Zionism

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Originally posted by Scorchio Zionist idialism was first adapted in the early years of the imigration to Israel, the meaning of Zionism is to settle in the land which holds the holy lands and holy places to the Jewish people. The Western Wall, our ancesters graves, Beit Hamikdash... Zionism is not a religion, its a way of life. And Zionism is not a group of people that decided to make the lives of the Palestinians miserable, even if you think so.

I know Zionism is not a religion, it's an ideology. At its extreme, Zionism assumes that Palestine is a "land without a people, for a people without a land" which is racist because Palestine had a people. Zionism also thrives on a Jewish majority and can't exist without it. That's why Israel won't allow the Palestinian refugees their right to return to the land they fled from in Israel. That's why the Palestinian population growth is the biggest threat to Israel. That's why a one, binational, democratic, and secular state is unacceptable to Israelis. It would "destroy" Israel, but not in the sense that Palestinians would go on a murderous rampage hahaha, that's a load of garbage that's being spread about us, which is also extremely racist. But because of our numbers and our right to vote--if Israel is truly a democracy, this would be its test.

Why aren't you bitching about the right of return in Jordan ? oh yeah, no jews to kill there :/

Wasn't Yassin one of those radical Moslim leaders? Seems his death was fitting so don't know what the big stink is about. Live by the sword and die by the sword.

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Originally posted by emul8or Why aren't you bitching about the right of return in Jordan ? oh yeah, no jews to kill there :/

becuase they are refugee's there moron

Sorry, you appear to be the bigger moron than me Cyrus. Your ramblings have no logic. Tell us where refugees fit in here. Refugees from what???

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Originally posted by emander Sorry, you appear to be the bigger moron than me Cyrus. Your ramblings have no logic. Tell us where refugees fit in here. Refugees from what???

Have you ever heard of PALESTINIAN REFUGEES??????
They were from PALESTINE

Do some research man.. im not here to teach little kids

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