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Posted by Dmatrox on Mar-30-2004 00:09:

Internet over power lines

Crazy shit right there.

If internet over power lines became a standard instead of ethernet, what would this bring?

pros:
-everyone could have internet

cons:
-major security issues

http://www.cbc.ca/stories/2003/11/2...wer_lines031121

http://www.wired.com/news/technolog...2,57605,00.html

Discuss

Posted by -=M=- on Mar-30-2004 00:14:

man if you guys were smart you'd have done what melbourne has almost finished - create a citywide wireless internet service

Posted by whiskers on Mar-30-2004 00:16:

"maam, no, even though the internet comes via the powerlines, do NOT attempt to plug the cable into the power outlet..."

Posted by djSlain on Mar-30-2004 00:18:

yep, Broadband Over Powerlines (BOP) is what they call it. I heard abuot it last nite and supposedly it will hinder the emergency broadcast system. And usual, issues of privacy

Posted by Ocean-Glow on Mar-30-2004 00:19:

Highly unlikely. Net would be pretty much free for everyone driving multimillion dollar companies down the drain, so they will do everething posible to prevent this

Posted by Tranc3 on Mar-30-2004 00:41:

What about the magnetic field generated by the electric field? Wouldn't that scramble (a.k.a. corrupt) data packets?

Posted by Dmatrox on Mar-30-2004 00:48:

quote:
Originally posted by Tranc3
What about the magnetic field generated by the electric field? Wouldn't that scramble (a.k.a. corrupt) data packets?

good question anyone know?

quote:
man if you guys were smart you'd have done what melbourne has almost finished - create a citywide wireless internet service

that fits with:
quote:
major security issues

Posted by smokeape on Mar-30-2004 01:29:

quote:
Originally posted by whiskers
"maam, no, even though the internet comes via the powerlines, do NOT attempt to plug the cable into the power outlet..."

BWAHAHHAAAA! That made my day! Thanks.

[[[smoke]]]

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Posted by -=M=- on Mar-30-2004 01:32:

quote:
Originally posted by Dmatrox
good question anyone know?

that fits with:

btw i wasnt kidding - one of my mates has been working for a company to make this melbournewide wireless internet for quite some time now... perhaps about 10 months or so? it should be finished soon...

Posted by Dmatrox on Mar-30-2004 01:36:

quote:
Originally posted by -=M=-
btw i wasnt kidding - one of my mates has been working for a company to make this melbournewide wireless internet for quite some time now... perhaps about 10 months or so? it should be finished soon...

i think wireless is a good idea, but people who build them, and especially people who use them should use caution. have you ever heard of wardriving?

Posted by whiskers on Mar-30-2004 01:39:

quote:
Originally posted by Dmatrox
have you ever heard of wardriving?

wardriving is defined as nothing more than just driving around and sniffing / plotting WAPs

besides, almost any WEP can be cracked... i have airsnort for linux and it should crack almost any WEP key, given enough packets... of course you need a shitload of packets - at least 5 million. that's about 2 hours of data gathering on a large, active network. on small networks it takes weeks.

Posted by [ groovypants ] on Mar-30-2004 01:42:

They call it "War-chalking" in the land down under [and also the UK?]. Also, 10 months is not a long time - the U.S. and many EU other countries have been playing with Wireless for YEARS.
We Aussies are 2 generations behind in terms of boardband Internet services.

Posted by Dmatrox on Mar-30-2004 01:42:

quote:
Originally posted by whiskers
that's about 2 hours of data gathering on a large, active network.

yeah, citywide -> "man if you guys were smart you'd have done what melbourne has almost finished - create a citywide wireless internet service".

our town has quite alot of wireless

Posted by whiskers on Mar-30-2004 01:46:

war-chalking is different

war-chalking is writing with chalk the type of network, WEP key, and bandwidth for people who want to use it.

i used to read a lot of this stuff about 2 years ago... when it only started coming out... even 802.11b was the newest thing in the market and the g standard was only being planned... and now it's like everywhere... technology...

besides, afaik, most that you can do with a city-wide wireless network is simply break into it and steal bandwidth, you can't really do anything to other users. but i might be wrong.

Posted by nrjizer on Mar-30-2004 02:02:

quote:
Originally posted by -=M=-
man if you guys were smart you'd have done what melbourne has almost finished - create a citywide wireless internet service

Too bad its incredibly unsecure. All you need to tap into it is a pringles can and $10 worth of shit from radio shack (I'm not kidding)

Posted by TeKnoHe@d2025 on Mar-30-2004 04:46:

They better figure out something fast, Bush wants broadband to be available for every American by 2007.

Posted by -=M=- on Mar-30-2004 06:55:

quote:
Originally posted by nrjizer
Too bad its incredibly unsecure. All you need to tap into it is a pringles can and $10 worth of shit from radio shack (I'm not kidding)

exactly! high speed internet for freeeeee bro!

Posted by MERLIN on Mar-30-2004 08:53:

supposedly it does kill the emergency frequencies. it also kills the whole ham radio band, i guess that would be shortwave.

i haven't read through the link, but here it is
http://www.arrl.org/tis/info/HTML/plc/
it's the amateur ham radio website.

on another note, everybody could have internet/broadband. some places are just not feasible to the telco/cable co to go out and run a line. if they're not going to make more money then what it costs them to put the line out to say a rural area, they ain't gonna do it.

they should just keep with fiber and actually get that going and figure out how to solve the 'last mile' problem. it may be expensive, but damn it's fast.
hell, there's already people switching to gigbit, even some mobo's come with it built in.

Posted by MERLIN on Mar-30-2004 08:57:

here's a link to a quicktime vid that shows what happens to shortwave radio frequencies when there's bpl around.

i'm don't know anything about ham radio so anyhoo, i hope it works

http://216.167.96.120/BPL_Trial-web.mpg

Posted by robin on Mar-30-2004 08:59:

quote:
Originally posted by Tranc3
What about the magnetic field generated by the electric field? Wouldn't that scramble (a.k.a. corrupt) data packets?

you dont send data, you send pulses. modem makes data out of those pulses

Posted by N|te-L|fe on Mar-30-2004 09:00:

unsecure indeed and I really doubt the realibility too... Think about all the hydro bump you can get in a day, lights flickering and all... isolated residences would prolly have some issues with that

And about the magnetic field, the equipment these days is reliable enough to isolate and shield the electric current from another... and I'm sure they found a way to counter that anyway since the project seems to be seriously considered..

Posted by A.J. on Mar-30-2004 09:01:

quote:
Originally posted by TeKnoHe@d2025
They better figure out something fast, Bush wants broadband to be available for every American by 2007.

Think of all the porn!!!!!

Posted by Tranc3 on Mar-30-2004 09:03:

quote:
Originally posted by robin
you dont send data, you send pulses. modem makes data out of those pulses

Ahh ok modulate/demodulate would make more sense. Still though, if it gets near a powerful enough electomagnetic field it would get scrambled. There were other issues with this too, dating back to when it was first thought up in the 70s.

Posted by colonelcrisp on Mar-30-2004 12:46:

depending on the system, electromagnetic fields act as signal rectifiers in most electric circuits. usually offestting the waveform by some regular interval in radiens ie pi, pi/4 etc. magnetic and electric fields rarely "scramble" electric signals, they merely offset them. w hich is why they play havoc on tv sets since they will cause pictures ot overlap and look all fucked up..(ever tried watching one of those illegal porn channels.....) if you want more info check out any upper year electrical engineering text book from your library or local colledge or whatever...

Posted by KilldaDJ on Mar-30-2004 17:06:

internet over powerlines?

in any other situation this would be heaven for me.

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