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An example of why the Palestinian cause garners little Western sympathy...
In no way am I taking sides...in fact, virtually any one of us that does is only demonstrating our own ignorance, because it's impossible to know all the facts...but here's a classic example of why the Palestinian cause garners so little public sympathy over here...from today's Toronto Star story in which Isreal shot missles at a building after Palestinian gunman shot a pregnant mother of four at a settlement
http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/Co...ol=968793972154
"The militant Islamic Jihad and Popular Resistance Committees, an umbrella group, claimed responsibility for the �heroic� attack in a call to The Associated Press.
The group said the attack was in response to Israel�s recent assassinations of the founder of the Hamas militant group, Sheik Ahmed Yassin, and his successor, Abdel Aziz Rantisi.
�The attack is part of the Palestinian reprisals for the daily crimes committed by the Israeli army against the Palestinian people, especially the killings of Yassin and Rantisi,� the group said."
Whatever people say against Isreal, they are seen to be targetting and killing political leaders, like Yassin and Rantisi, who are admittedly and directly responsible for attacks in Isreal...but then Palestinian gunmen target and kill a pregnant mother of four in response.
Who's going to garner more global sympathy and be seen as the lesser of two evils? Rightly or wrongly, it will be Isreal.
Re: An example of why the Palestinian cause garners little Western sympathy...
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| Originally posted by MarkT In no way am I taking sides...in fact, virtually any one of us that does is only demonstrating our own ignorance, because it's impossible to know all the facts...but here's a classic example of why the Palestinian cause garners so little public sympathy over here...from today's Toronto Star story in which Isreal shot missles at a building after Palestinian gunman shot a pregnant mother of four at a settlement http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/Co...ol=968793972154 "The militant Islamic Jihad and Popular Resistance Committees, an umbrella group, claimed responsibility for the �heroic� attack in a call to The Associated Press. The group said the attack was in response to Israel�s recent assassinations of the founder of the Hamas militant group, Sheik Ahmed Yassin, and his successor, Abdel Aziz Rantisi. �The attack is part of the Palestinian reprisals for the daily crimes committed by the Israeli army against the Palestinian people, especially the killings of Yassin and Rantisi,� the group said." Whatever people say against Isreal, they are seen to be targetting and killing political leaders, like Yassin and Rantisi, who are admittedly and directly responsible for attacks in Isreal...but then Palestinian gunmen target and kill a pregnant mother of four in response. Who's going to garner more global sympathy and be seen as the lesser of two evils? Rightly or wrongly, it will be Isreal. |
Blah, blah, back and forth these two statements, not to launch an attack on the commentaries of either of you guys but it sums up the tiresome Israeli-Palestinian conflict in a nutshell. Both sides feel they are right in what they are doing and this is one American who doesn't care to take the side of either, I am simply sick and tired of this conflict and wish the U.S. could just step back from even being associated with it. Maybe when both sides finish killing each other they can be ready to seek peace for the sake of their future generations, until then whatever.
i agree with NYCTrancefan, this conflict will never end as long as booth sides are as bad as they are right now. letting them kill each other for some time perhaps is the best way for them to understand how wrong they are... and yeah, us should get out of that conflict, would be a wise move in regard to war on terror too...
im head purchaser of the israeli navy and even i dont give a shit about this conflict...
ohh btw, must just give the background to why they did this...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3679089.stm
i don't see why you couldn't sympatize with palestine as well as with israel?
the good news is, that this is one of few isr-pal threads right now 
this forum has gone from isr-pal to usa-iraq/anti bush 
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| Originally posted by NYCTrancefan Blah, blah, back and forth these two statements, not to launch an attack on the commentaries of either of you guys but it sums up the tiresome Israeli-Palestinian conflict in a nutshell. Both sides feel they are right in what they are doing and this is one American who doesn't care to take the side of either, I am simply sick and tired of this conflict and wish the U.S. could just step back from even being associated with it. Maybe when both sides finish killing each other they can be ready to seek peace for the sake of their future generations, until then whatever. |
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| Originally posted by St_Andrew ohh btw, must just give the background to why they did this... http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3679089.stm i don't see why you couldn't sympatize with palestine as well as with israel? the good news is, that this is one of few isr-pal threads right now this forum has gone from isr-pal to usa-iraq/anti bush |
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| Originally posted by mps242 Sorry, but no cause is so worthwhile that it can justify intentionally murdering several toddlers and a pregnant woman... If they had gotten blown up at an army checkpoint, so be it... That's collateral damage..... This... is just savagery... Occasionally I give a shit about Palestinians, that lasts all of about 20 minutes untill the next time they pull shit like this... I simply can't fathom how anyone thinks it is possible to negotiate a truce with people like this... The video on reuters.feedroom.com pretty much killed any sympathy that I have for the Palestinian cause... |
Another reason the Palestinians garner less sympathy is because they do stuff like this: (see below). When an American looks at that picture, the only conclusion is that the Palestinians are freaking psycho.
A Palestinian holds up human remains as people gather around a destroyed car following an Israeli missle strike in the West Bank town of Nablus, Sunday, May 2, 2004. An Israeli missile strike killed four Palestinian militants, including two local leaders, as they drove in downtown Nablus, Palestinian security sources said. Two of the dead were identified as Nader Abu Leil and Hashem Abu Hamdan, leaders of the Al Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades in the Balata refugee camp near Nablus. Al Aqsa has ties to Yasser Arafat's Fatah movement. (AP Photo/Nasser Ishtayeh)
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| Originally posted by imokruok Another reason the Palestinians garner less sympathy is because they do stuff like this: (see below). When an American looks at that picture, the only conclusion is that the Palestinians are freaking psycho. A Palestinian holds up human remains as people gather around a destroyed car following an Israeli missle strike in the West Bank town of Nablus, Sunday, May 2, 2004. An Israeli missile strike killed four Palestinian militants, including two local leaders, as they drove in downtown Nablus, Palestinian security sources said. Two of the dead were identified as Nader Abu Leil and Hashem Abu Hamdan, leaders of the Al Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades in the Balata refugee camp near Nablus. Al Aqsa has ties to Yasser Arafat's Fatah movement. (AP Photo/Nasser Ishtayeh) |
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and the worst part of all is that some people on this board actually try and symphasize with these people, saying that they are the ones being oppressed.
lets see this, how many jewish "militants" go running in "palestine" and shooting up cars with pregnant moms with their children inside. I'll admit that colleteral damage does occur when IDF forces retaliate for militant activities but none are as horrifing as this/
Whaddaya mean Palestinians don't gather much Western sympathy? At least over here the media + at least 60% of the people are so Pro-Pal that it isn't even funny. And I don't think this is the only place in Europe where this is the case either..
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| Originally posted by Sand Leaper Whaddaya mean Palestinians don't gather much Western sympathy? At least over here the media + at least 60% of the people are so Pro-Pal that it isn't even funny. And I don't think this is the only place in Europe where this is the case either.. |
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| Originally posted by TranceGiant 60? Lol, I think 85%+ is more accurate. And no, it ain't only Norway, it's in all of Europe. Especially in countries with a high rate of anti-Jewish sentiments and/or large Arab population such as Spain, Italy, France. |
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| Originally posted by mps242 Sorry, but no cause is so worthwhile that it can justify intentionally murdering several toddlers and a pregnant woman... If they had gotten blown up at an army checkpoint, so be it... That's collateral damage..... This... is just savagery... Occasionally I give a shit about Palestinians, that lasts all of about 20 minutes untill the next time they pull shit like this... I simply can't fathom how anyone thinks it is possible to negotiate a truce with people like this... The video on reuters.feedroom.com pretty much killed any sympathy that I have for the Palestinian cause... |
I rarely enter these Palestinian/Israeli threads, so I'll make my visit brief with a hypothetical question:
If the US were to leave the conflict alone between these two, would that not entail the US to cease funding Israel to the tune of $3 billion a year? Furthermore, how damaging would that actually be to either side if the US actually took a neutral stance and fully committed to sitting on the fence?
(I know this would never happen, of course. The US has too many ties to Israel, both politically and economically. But it is just a hypothetical.)
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| Originally posted by mps242 Sorry, but no cause is so worthwhile that it can justify intentionally murdering several toddlers and a pregnant woman... If they had gotten blown up at an army checkpoint, so be it... That's collateral damage..... This... is just savagery... Occasionally I give a shit about Palestinians, that lasts all of about 20 minutes untill the next time they pull shit like this... I simply can't fathom how anyone thinks it is possible to negotiate a truce with people like this... The video on reuters.feedroom.com pretty much killed any sympathy that I have for the Palestinian cause... |
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| Originally posted by MisterOpus1 I rarely enter these Palestinian/Israeli threads, so I'll make my visit brief with a hypothetical question: If the US were to leave the conflict alone between these two, would that not entail the US to cease funding Israel to the tune of $3 billion a year? Furthermore, how damaging would that actually be to either side if the US actually took a neutral stance and fully committed to sitting on the fence? (I know this would never happen, of course. The US has too many ties to Israel, both politically and economically. But it is just a hypothetical.) |
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| Originally posted by Flotser I'm realy not sure.... but i guess USA pays this money to Israel mostly since the peace agremment with Egypt. Egypt also is getting lotsa money from US. |
More details on yesterday's massacre of the five members of the Hatuel family are now known
The 2 Palestinian terrorists shot at the car carrying the mother and her four daughters, and when the vehicle veered off the side of the road, the terrorists performed "ascertainment of death:" they ran over to the car and, at point-blank range, shot each of the occupants to death: Tali, the 8-month pregnant mother, and Hila, 11, Hadar, 9, Roni, 7, and two-year-old Meirav. The murderers then continued to unload dozens of more bullets into the bodies. Zaka volunteers worked for a long while afterwards to collect the body parts from the car and its vicinity.
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| Originally posted by VanFleet More details on yesterday's massacre of the five members of the Hatuel family are now known The 2 Palestinian terrorists shot at the car carrying the mother and her four daughters, and when the vehicle veered off the side of the road, the terrorists performed "ascertainment of death:" they ran over to the car and, at point-blank range, shot each of the occupants to death: Tali, the 8-month pregnant mother, and Hila, 11, Hadar, 9, Roni, 7, and two-year-old Meirav. The murderers then continued to unload dozens of more bullets into the bodies. Zaka volunteers worked for a long while afterwards to collect the body parts from the car and its vicinity. |
these people are sick.
But settlers are asking for this danger when they move into an area where they are enemies of the surrounding populace.
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| Originally posted by MisterOpus1 What a bunch of twats. They deserve a torturous death themselves. |
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| Originally posted by Cyrus King these people are sick. But settlers are asking for this danger when they move into an area where they are enemies of the surrounding populace. |
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