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Something thats bothering me

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From my point of view - this forum is about people who wants to get feedbacks on their tracks and to show the crowd what we are made of . Thats why i think each one should reply and write feedbacks on other artists productions and respectivly posting their own. The main reason i decided to open this thread is because i've come to see more and more artits posting constantly their work here BUT not giving something back to the others, by listening and helping younger producers or whatever. Any solutions? Cause this is abit sad you know...
I hope i was clear enough, and i hope you understand what im talking about.

Peace.

agreed.

PS: i hope this reply counts as a feedback

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Originally posted by Sunquest PS: i hope this reply counts as a feedback

It does

I totally agree.

Though don't know if there is any solution for it.
It is up to each individual itself to start the change...

I hope this thread will make a change...

Re: Something thats bothering me

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Originally posted by EternalMusic OK From my point of view - this forum is about people who wants to get feedbacks on their tracks and to show the crowd what we are made of . Thats why i think each one should reply and write feedbacks on other artists productions and respectivly posting their own. The main reason i decided to open this thread is because i've come to see more and more artits posting constantly their work here BUT not giving something back to the others, by listening and helping younger producers or whatever. Any solutions? Cause this is abit sad you know... I hope i was clear enough, and i hope you understand what im talking about. Peace.

It's a valid point, and I do agree that there is a high ammount of people who just post tunes but don't review any. However, I can see the non-reviewers point of view too. It seems that people only really tend to get masses of feedback when they are one of the "big hitters" of the production forum. Why post feedback to others tunes when you only get one or two replies at most for your own efforts? Just because they aren't established as one of the forum talents, or are less skilled at production, doesn't mean they don't deserve feedback any less. Plus, there are the people who only review thier friends productions, or will only review positivly peoples tunes in order to score brownie points.

Also there are other non "political" factors too. For example, I only tend to post comments if I have something constructive to say. If I really don't like a tune at all, or there are pages worth of pats on the back, what's the point in posting any more about it?

Things need to be worked on from both ends to resolve this.

Re: Re: Something thats bothering me

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Originally posted by Spin Doctor It's a valid point, and I do agree that there is a high ammount of people who just post tunes but don't review any. However, I can see the non-reviewers point of view too. It seems that people only really tend to get masses of feedback when they are one of the "big hitters" of the production forum. Why post feedback to others tunes when you only get one or two replies at most for your own efforts? Just because they aren't established as one of the forum talents, or are less skilled at production, doesn't mean they don't deserve feedback any less. Plus, there are the people who only review thier friends productions, or will only review positivly peoples tunes in order to score brownie points. Also there are other non "political" factors too. For example, I only tend to post comments if I have something constructive to say. If I really don't like a tune at all, or there are pages worth of pats on the back, what's the point in posting any more about it? Things need to be worked on from both ends to resolve this.

100% true. You have mentioned some other important facts as well.

Yeah...that's right But I think, that's a problem of most public boards/forums, which aren't private only for people, who are really interested in helping other people

On the other hand, there insn't any solution to force people to review work of others Only way is banning, but I think, this forum would not like to ban anyone

"On overy forum is only few people who help and the others only use them...." and it will be like that until all people will be interested in helping, but it's only a dream.....

Well I've got something to say about this.

These days too many people just post here and expect to be reviewed. Someone who hasn't reviewed a thing, goes like this:

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A few tracks for you to listen to. Link to some website which includes some tracks somewhere Any comments would be nice. Bye.

Please tell us who you are, what you use to produce if you post for the first time. And tell the story behind the track. Gives the track character, more fun to listen too and helps people being constructive to your track. No matter how crappy it sounds. And no matter how many tracks you post. I think that the reviewers should focus on other reviewers' tracks, rather than the people who don't review.

Look at the big hitters threads. There's no constructive criticism at all cause the tracks ok. But you call that reviewing? Tell him/her what you like about it! Of course there's nothing wrong with tapping a back, but thing is there's too much asslicking going on here!

You may certainly kiss mine but I'd rather hear some constructive elements! I got some real good points from TA-listeners/reviewers on my tracks lately so I'm not complaining about that atm.

There's so much to learn from just reviewing. I do it a lot and it helps me. People who know me from here can tell, my production skills boosted last months. And with that I help other people out, and that's not just a thing just a few people should do. Review and get reviewed, or just be gone! No need to ban, that's of no use. You don't review, you won't have reviews. That's all we need.

Oh and then the thing people can't handle criticism. Argh why did you post your track then anyway?! Just to get yur ass kissed, right? Cause you're the master at producing! Well you're not, cause if you were, you'd not be posting here. (why am i posting here anyway.. ) I just got a review from some guy who was comparing me with PVD. NOO i don't wanna be like him and besides PVD's far too big to be measured with! Ok, I was a little harsh on his ass but at least I was being constructive. Flame me if you like, but be constructive!

I think these things should be pointed out well in the rules section (so Luke "" Terry, e.g., have a read). What you guys think???

There's nothing wrong with people just listening and picking the best music, that's part of the meaning of this forum: promotion. They may kiss ass or flame without being constructive, you don't have to review their work. Obviously these peeps are not what we're talking about here.

And if you don't mind.. have a listen to my latest track, the link's above my sig.

yes, good point, hope ppl read this, i will try and do summat about obvious 1 hit spammers too

lol i love the way its all so political i try and review when i can and when i feel i can be constructive. also i think that compliments are great inspiration and thats y i think alot of ppl post on here. they know they are happy with a good track but they want other ppl to say the same. Compliments from ppl who know what they are talking about are great inspiration to make it even better. u know what i mean? i think alot of ppl post for a bit of ass kissing, and i think fair play to them as long as they kiss other ppls asses from time to time

Yeh it's ok to say if you like a track. It's somewhat harder to point out what you exactly like and what not, but that's quickly learned if you think about what you hear. Thinking of what you hear is exactly what reviewers do. Of course it's motivating to hear that your song is good. But that isn't the case sometimes. 90% or more of the tracks here need improvement, and it's up to us to find what that could be.

a perfect reply to a post would be one which inspires ppl to make it better hehe. so the mistakes are pointed out, BUT the track is giving loads of pos feedback. so its not all negative. coz thats just depressin and the arsist is unlikely to be inspired hehe wow this is getting in depth. i agree with pretty much everything thats been said, how cool

Yeh you're right at that point. Partly The criticism might indeed be a bit demotivating BUT that's why it should be constructive. Newbies to production must be pointed what is wrong, so they can improve it and HEAR for themselves what's good and what's not. And if they can't handle the criticism, they should not post. Of course you must be careful what you say in your comments because a lot of personal thoughts arise when e.g. a melody is reviewed. Hence the use of "IMO"... I should stop typing now.

hehe wicked thread. got me thinking. maybe ppl will post replies more often now and also think carefully about what they write. Most of the replies ive had on here have been amazingly constructive and inspiring at the same time already hope everyone else finds this

Jay ur posts are always really helpfull

Woooho good to see others sharing the same feelings!
Lets do something about it!
I say we have to make this a sticky or something, whatcha say Luke?

i know it's been a while since i posted any material in here (due to factors out of my control) but back when i did, the way it worked was that the more people that you gave feedback, the more feedback you would recieve. i find it very sad that people actually post, without having given any feedback to anyone, expecting feedback on their own tracks.

you cannot just take from the community, things don't work like that

YAY sticky this!!

Im loving all the points raised. I, like Mike mentioned earlier, find that I cannot sometimes comment because I find it difficult to be constructive (mood-wise i think ... maybe I'm not a constructive person )

I also dont have a lot of time to write replies as I spend most of my spare time actually writing new music... and I dont get a lot of spare time!! BUT I do reply and give criticism where I can

Anyway... I think this thread is very cool and I hope it will inspire ppl to become more critical when it comes to the music produced in this forum.

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Originally posted by mef YAY sticky this!! Im loving all the points raised. I, like Mike mentioned earlier, find that I cannot sometimes comment because I find it difficult to be constructive (mood-wise i think ... maybe I'm not a constructive person )

this is the dilemma, and probably why it seems that higher profile producers in here get more replies. its very easy to say "thats very cool" or something such like.. but i would hate it if people left feedback on one of my tracks just saying "its shit".. if it's shit, why is it shit? and how could i un-shit it?

stuck

the way i see it..

it's a promotion forum, you try to let everyone hear how good you are and promote yourself..

if your good you get feedback, if your not you get advise and tips how to become good.

now this is just something you can't really force..like telling everyone, review all tunes NOW or get banned or something.



for me i like to give feedback or advise to people, i like this part of the forum most, since most of my music in the playlist i like, comes from here

You got a good point massive, but you cant expect us to review others tune who comes in here once in a while and post " hi this is my new track, review it please " , and dont and wont give feedbacks on other artists work. In other words, they realy dont give a shit.

good points, especially Jay and Massive....
as for me, i can't download direct link mp3s cause my isp uses proxy where mp3 links are banned oktnxsorryexcuseme
but yea I want to hear and comment most tracks posted here if I'll can dl it (well, not like "yo it's my new super r'n'b experiment mixed with techno acid yo yo yo check it out yo " but sometimes smth like this too )
so far I answered only to Vadim Zhukov's thread cause I've listened to this track before

I'm sorry! It's all my fault.

Great Thread. I loved reading it. Remember me when you are famous! ... I supported you on day 1!!




But in reality, a lot of points mentioned here are definately... I really hate people with 0 posts in here whatsoever, coming into the boards, with their post saying

"hey, check out my new track at www.soundclick.com/DJ_Ultracooltrancemaster.html ... Better get this track quick.. cuz it's going platinum yo!"

Then when they don't get any response, they bump their thread like 10 times until 1 person replies... saying "hey, i'm sorry to say this, but I think the kick was really weak.. the bass could have been better"

And then the newbie goes "WTF man! You don't know nothing about producing... This track is going to get released and it's going to be a top-seller in the dance charts"

and then I just go like

I think a very reasonable restriction could be like you are only allowed to post the same amount of threads in this section of the forum as the amount of replies you've had in this forum... Because of course we have non-producers who post feedback here as well... I just grow sick of those who want to take from the community but not give...

my 2 cents

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Originally posted by kewlness I think a very reasonable restriction could be like you are only allowed to post the same amount of threads in this section of the forum as the amount of replies you've had in this forum... Because of course we have non-producers who post feedback here as well... I just grow sick of those who want to take from the community but not give...

This is realy a good idea! Luke??

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