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Budget 2004: Your feedback

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My thoughts...

well well.. haven't we got a pickle on our hands.. this is a disgrace tha the budget this years does give a F**K all about us low incomers or the single ppl amongt's us, not so much single.. but the not married sorta ppl.. ohh you guys know what i meant.

Probably an easy vote since there are alot of families out there but come on.. we have HECS and our education and health system is a joke compared to the rest of the world. Lets all vote liberal... actually no.. fudge that.. lets go Greens.. the trees give us life, o2

Not many of us earn above $80K for the tax cuts... so were back to where we started 8 yrs ago... ohh and anyone else hears about Howards nice little comfty $1mill bomb shelter thats being built???

I saw we make our picket signs n head to the streets...

oh crap.. my lunch break is up Grrrr... back to work.

yea sucks for me cause im not earing 80k.. yet

my dad was happy tho hehe

(Excuse me while I rant for a minute)


It completely sux. Typical Liberal budget crap. Rich get richer, oh but that's right I suppose that's ok.

I work in the Welfare Industry and yet once we have been forgotten about, I will never earn much monmey as working with people is a very unvaluable role according to the government.

I know they are trying to phase out Welfare (what ever the fuck that means) yay I'm sure they will be so much happier if they just put all the dissavantaged people together at some sort of detention centre (yep just like the immigrants)so they don't have to see us, as we wouldn't want to ruin their perfect little lives. They don't want to have to be faced with real life poor people and real life people with disabilities as that would spoil it for them.

Anyhow I could go on for ages, I am pissed off about the budget but it really doesn't surprise me

(End Rant)

the family focus was pretty much forced by labour making their whole election platform there.
I agree with the cuts for the 40-60,000 range, that was needed to give something back for people working overtime and really trying to get ahead, instead of taxing the shit out of it. but 80,000 plus didn't really need it, should have kept it in the middle income ranges.
nothing on healthcare though, maybe that's a plan to leave the labour state governments in the doghouse in the election run-in.

Not enough funding went to trance

I'm a uni student I don't have to worry about this budget crap for another 4 years.

you'd just better hope they don't decide to cut funding or boost hecs in that time.

"I know they are trying to phase out Welfare (what ever the fuck that means)"

Means that they are trying to get rid of it, only to find themselves in a pickle or 2...

1 - cutting welfare will mean all those centrelink jungle bunnies who work behind the counter will lose their job.. meaning those jungle bunnies will try to steal our jobs, which are so little in availability...
2 - cutting welfare will increase crazyness.. example.. the downward spiral kicks in cause there are no welfare check's, no welfare checks means that they dun have any $$$, no $$$ will mean they start to either look for work or steal. Sorry to say this but this is what happens, i studied it at school.. something , or the 1 thing that i rememeber from school.

So we have crazies that are gonna start messing up Sydney/Oz cause they dun have $$$, then we will see ghetto'z n crap like that which is not good at all.. tsk tsk tsk... so keep on working ppl n pay ur taxes.. unless we all wanna live in a world where everyone is a crazy TA? lol... nah just crazy!

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Originally posted by tubby you'd just better hope they don't decide to cut funding or boost hecs in that time.

nah those changes don't affect me, only the suckers that enrol after 2005

Had any caffeine lately?

HAHHAHAH @ this labour love.


Lets cut the preaching of labour and your voting prefereneces and try concentrate on the actual budget. Your arguments will hold a lot more wieght.


Budget Highlights

- The once-off $600 payment - available to all parents who qualify for the family tax benefit - will be backed by a further $600 per child, which parents are expected to be able to claim when their tax returns are filed over the coming months.


Lets not bitch about single or low income earners cause if you have no family you have the ability to work more to earn more. Families are where the money is needed.

- A SUM of $3000 to be paid to mothers on the birth of every new baby - with the payment to increase to $5000 over the next four years;

- MORE relaxed means tests for child benefit payments;

- 40,000 after-school care places, and

- CHANGES to superannuation designed to improve retirement options.


It works both ways by giving high income earners a tax break. There will be greater spending, more employment etc etc.

It works both way guys.

Don't forget that the superanuuation changes were Mark Latham's idea.

i suspect most people getting tax break are going to be using it to pay off there inflated mortgages. I certainly won't be spending it on an extra two records each week. that means it'll be a long time ntil you see any benefit from these tax changes. Unless, of course, you are up for election in a marginal seat soon.
but i think it was a very good political budget. It tackles the biggest election issues of family, without truly offending anyone. By leaving out anything big for health or education it's kind of stiffled their input into the debate.
Whilst the taxes on super are coming down, it's just one more change that makes me doubt super is a reliable investment option. There's been so many changes, how can I rely on it to be good value in 40 years time when I need it?

didn't see anything in the budget to fund armin to come ova every month and play for me personally in my bedroom

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Originally posted by tubby the family focus was pretty much forced by labour making their whole election platform there. I agree with the cuts for the 40-60,000 range, that was needed to give something back for people working overtime and really trying to get ahead, instead of taxing the shit out of it. but 80,000 plus didn't really need it, should have kept it in the middle income ranges. nothing on healthcare though, maybe that's a plan to leave the labour state governments in the doghouse in the election run-in.

As someone who is a fair way over the $80K barrier, I can say this... there needs to be another tax bracket, somewhere around the $250K+ area. I work my arse off to get what I get paid, but if you take a careful look, it's the people in the $250K+ bracket who no longer work as such, more just get paid for risk taking with other people's money and lives.

I'm not saying that necessarily the $80K+ should get a tax cut, just that there should be a bigger disincentive for greedy and risky behaviour, in a form that actually can compensate for said greedy and risky behaviour.

If you earn $100K+, you might (I'm in sydney remember) be able to get a house, possibly even a pool. But what about when you can afford 10 houses, with 2 pools each? Who is that benefiting? And where does the money come from? For the most part, it benefits noone (1 pool you can get fun out of... 2 pools is just wanking), but the money for it comes from risiking other people's investments in property and the stock market.

Don't go thinking I'll be suckered into voting for tax cuts for people in my wage bracket... the money comes from somewhere, and as always, it comes from the defensless, ie, sick, needy, welfare, disabilites, etc, etc, etc.

I could rant more, but I'm in a bad mood and have a bad flu, so I'd probably just end up offending more people.

A very cynical, very political budget. The Govt is attempting to buy their re-election. I only hope Australians are clever enough to see through the smoke and mirrors....

WHen have budgets been non-political??? I dont think ive ever seen a labour budget be non political, or wait no they care for the people before votes.


Bragi: You say earn 80K+ but feel guilty about where the tax cuts coming from. Ohh fucking please cry me a river. You have no guilt whatsoever. I dont feel sorry for you, and i dont feel sorry for the people the tax cuts are coming from.

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Originally posted by Paulie WHen have budgets been non-political??? I dont think ive ever seen a labour budget be non political, or wait no they care for the people before votes.

Wasn't suggesting that Labor are or have been any different, but this is just such a clear attempt to bribe people into voting Liberal it's sickening...

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Originally posted by webmeister A very cynical, very political budget. The Govt is attempting to buy their re-election. I only hope Australians are clever enough to see through the smoke and mirrors....

And I hope they're clever enough to see through Latham's smoke and mirrors.........imho, his "I'm just the poor boy like u from next door" routine is sickening - he's so blatantly trying to buy the "lower class" vote by doing that.......I mean ffs, going on Burke's Backyard with the wife and kids?? Talking about trying to appeal to the lowest common denominator, who may not have the smarts to realise he doesn't have any real idea how to run the country properly......yeah he might be a nice guy to go sink a beer with, but I sure as hell wouldn't want him running the country.....

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Originally posted by webmeister Wasn't suggesting that Labor are or have been any different, but this is just such a clear attempt to bribe people into voting Liberal it's sickening...

And Latham's disgusting PR routine isn't an attempt to bribe ppl into voting Labor???

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Originally posted by webmeister Wasn't suggesting that Labor are or have been any different, but this is just such a clear attempt to bribe people into voting Liberal it's sickening...

The one time it wasnt done, was about 6 years ago when Kennet got booted out of office. He decided to play safe and made a budget with no spending and no vote winners. He got shafted and was probably the biggest political blunder ever made by a politician imo. Costello and howard have done what any other person would do and kudos.

I must admit though, im a swing voter these days, and the budget is one of the last places i use to cast my votem due to the fact it is so politically minded.

@ Beemer...
Why is that disgusting? He's from the outer Western suburbs and did grow up poor, and only went to uni because it was free back then.

Given the choice between a genuine person and a fake, serial liar like John Howard I know which I'd be choosing every time.

And who says he has no idea how to run the country? When has he had the opportunity to prove himself?

funny how quickly this turned from a debate on economic and social policy to an argument over the personalities in politics. Exactly the sort of behaviour we find juvenile in parliament, and we got there in only a couple of hours
must say it's more amusing than the work I should be doing, now if only we could have an all-in brawl, taiwan politics style....

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Originally posted by webmeister @ Beemer... Why is that disgusting? He's from the outer Western suburbs and did grow up poor, and only went to uni because it was free back then. Given the choice between a genuine person and a fake, serial liar like John Howard I know which I'd be choosing every time. And who says he has no idea how to run the country? When has he had the opportunity to prove himself?

I didn't say him growing up poor etc wasn't true - what irritates me is how he goes on and on and on about it - he never shuts up, and it seems like his whole platform is based on the "I was poor like u, so i'm ur friend, so vote for me" routine....yes, we all get that he thinks he's lil mr average joe.....enough already - now he should get on with talking about policy and how he plans to run the country - the fact that he focuses a lot less on that, and a lot more on the "i'm the poor average joe" stuff leads me to believe it's probably cos he DOESN'T have much idea how to run the country..... What little policy talk I've heard from him hasn't been very inspiring - he seems more intent on just pointing out what the liberals are doing wrong, without offering any reasonable and rational solutions or directions for change....it's one thing to gain power through criticising your opposition - but it's another to put it to good use when u get it......what worries me is that he's not offering much information on what he intends to do with the power if he does get it!!

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Originally posted by tubby funny how quickly this turned from a debate on economic and social policy to an argument over the personalities in politics. Exactly the sort of behaviour we find juvenile in parliament, and we got there in only a couple of hours must say it's more amusing than the work I should be doing, now if only we could have an all-in brawl, taiwan politics style....

why is it juvenile?? discussing the personalities is always just another facet in an over-all political debate.....if it's ALL u talk about, then yes it's a bit juvenile - but if it's one thing among many, what's the problem with it???

eta - and it's a bit hard to discuss labor's current economic and social policy when they don't really seem to have any!! aside from the "let's just kick the opposition - that'll impress the average joe voter...and we won't bother formulating anything to offer as an alternative cos mr average joe isn't smart enough to worry about that" policy...........

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