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Posted by GT40 on May-18-2004 13:11:

File Sharing Views.

I was reading Mauro Picotto's views on file sharing and his views very much contrast with Johan Gilen's on file sharing who thinks people should be punished. This is what Picotto said in a interview:

Q: Your first club gig was in 1985 -- the industry has changed since then: live shows, studio albums and file sharing online. Any thoughts?

Of course corporate intervention is the most notable difference. I do miss the times when dance music was just dance music; now it's broken into different genres, but of course this has opened new musical avenues. For an aspiring DJ or producer, file sharing is a vital marketing tool. I'm sure the major record labels will disagree with me though.


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This probably reflects the techno scene as a whole and there is some dj/producers (like Gielen) out there for the money.


Posted by svens_bath on May-18-2004 13:32:

did anyone see south park last night on sky 1?

it was about file sharing.


Posted by GT40 on May-18-2004 14:21:

quote:
Originally posted by svens_bath
did anyone see south park last night on sky 1?

it was about file sharing.


It was about Metrosexuality you ****.


Posted by svens_bath on May-18-2004 14:32:

quote:
Originally posted by GT40
It was about Metrosexuality you ****.


no..it was about file sharing you fucking nob


Posted by Anno Domino on May-18-2004 14:59:

File Sharing and ASOT made AVB realy really famous now his song played on NYC radio he is deffinetly making more money cause people were sharing his music.....


its different for RAP/Pop/Rock

because they all make artist albums and it takes them a long time to do it DJ/Producers are always making new songs and our scene is changing faster then any other...


Posted by chesco on May-18-2004 15:11:

quote:
Originally posted by Anno Domino



its different for RAP/Pop/Rock

because they all make artist albums and it takes them a long time to do it DJ/Producers are always making new songs and our scene is changing faster then any other...


i'm not sure i know what you mean by this.

In my opinion, it takes dj's and producers just as long to make up an album as it does for any rap/hip hop star. If a producer is constantly churning out tunes then the likelyhood is they will not be very good. Any good producer will take a lot of time before releasing certain songs, no matter if its trance, techno, or hip hop and rap.


Posted by GT40 on May-18-2004 16:24:

quote:
Originally posted by svens_bath
no..it was about file sharing you fucking nob


Oops sorry.


Posted by SYSTEM-J on May-18-2004 16:34:

Link to Picotto review?


Posted by GT40 on May-18-2004 16:46:

Interview

i've posted all what he said on file sharing on my first post though.


Posted by OLDoMiNiON on May-18-2004 16:47:

I'll answer this with a short review of my day.

- wake up, shower
- eat
- go on my hub, talk to a few people who are still up talking crap 'cos they've not slept for 48 hours...
- stick a recent\favourite DJ Set on
- queue up a few tunes.. download them in a couple of minutes
- listen to them, decide if i want them or not
..and here is the key part
- i vist any one of 10 online record shops, and *buy* them.

This is true for most of the DJs on my hub.. and that's quite a few.

The way i see it.. services like my hub, are not only not having an adverse affect on the dance music industry, but they are infact helping it to grow considerablyly, and at an increased rate. I enjoy listening to DJ Sets, and i enjoy listening to songs via the internet before i buy them. Is that a crime? Well.. yes, but in the end it's a rather contradictory one, since the very thing that the laws governing this area are meant to be protecting, they are infact hindering.
So here's the scoop... if the record labels want my money, they should be quiet, if not.. then by all means sue me.. and lose a value customer, as well as 2000+ others using my hub

OLDo


Posted by bakimurad on May-18-2004 16:51:

iirc before being nomitated for the best dj etc. a couple of times tiesto used to say he's totally cool with mp3s...
human nature i guess.


Posted by GT40 on May-18-2004 17:07:

Has anyonee seen the user BPI on Soulseek (apparently the British Phonographic Industry).

It claimed Soulseek won't be up for much longer and it advised us to uninstall Soulseek, I don't know if it was real but it did seem to convince people as it seemed to know it's stuff.


Posted by svens_bath on May-18-2004 17:30:

i dont see how they can legally shut down soulseek.

its a non profit organisation permitting the transfer of files from one pc to another. im sure any lawyer could find legitimate reasons for it to stay in operation.


Posted by Aquascape on May-18-2004 21:56:

File sharing can be a great way of finding tracks and artists you might never have known existed. I have purchased a number of CDs and some vinyl that I wouldn't have done without the luxury of hearing certain tracks in full first (sometimes the 1 minute previews on sites like juno just aren't enough). I like to have authentic music stacking my shelves, not rows of CDRs which is why I tend to buy most of the music I listen to. But p2p applications are definitely a healthy benefit to me.


Posted by digitalbreach on May-18-2004 22:16:

Hello!

quote:
Originally posted by OLDoMiNiON
The way i see it.. services like my hub, are not only not having an adverse affect on the dance music industry, but they are infact helping it to grow considerablyly, and at an increased rate.

OLDo


1st time seeing you here Oldo, even though I've been here some time.

btw gotta agree with you. If it wasn't for the exposure brought about by online sharing people would not be introduced to countless quality trax. The key is to go and support your favorite dj when they come around or buy their vinyl.

funny thing is that I've seen various renoune djs live and they tend to spin on cd-r's alot more now. food for thought


Posted by Boomer187 on May-18-2004 22:25:

quote:
Originally posted by digitalbreach


funny thing is that I've seen various renoune djs live and they tend to spin on cd-r's alot more now. food for thought


that doesn't mean they downloaded them illegally. :P.


there will always be those turds that try to take advantage of the system, those are the people the corporations hate and are trying to stop with these lawsuits.

the downfall is that those who use it for the right purpose, preview then buy, cannot do that without fear of lawsuits.


it all sucks ass cause those turds that take advantage of the system out number us that use it in a productive manner.


Posted by digitalbreach on May-18-2004 22:39:

quote:
Originally posted by Boomer187
that doesn't mean they downloaded them illegally. :P.


it all sucks ass cause those turds that take advantage of the system out number us that use it in a productive manner.


it doesn't mean that they downloaded them legally also.
I guess we will never know.

agrees that leeches give us a bad name


Posted by qwikk on May-19-2004 05:01:

my two cents.

I download because I can't afford the music, and would otherwise not be able to hear stuff I like on demand. if I had the money to purchase all the stuff I have, I would honestly do it. and I plan to once I can. the music industry isn't losing business from me, since it wouldn't have been there to begin with, and I'll buy more than if I had never taken up downloading as soon as I'm able to.


Posted by Sand Leaper on May-19-2004 07:05:

quote:
Originally posted by digitalbreach
it doesn't mean that they downloaded them legally also.


It does however mean that they've gotten the music on a CD from either the artists or the label themselves. Playing an MP3 you've downloaded illegally will most likely sound like shit on a big system, esp with the VBR most MP3s use nowadays.


Posted by Tranc3 on May-19-2004 07:15:

quote:
Originally posted by digitalbreach
it doesn't mean that they downloaded them legally also.
I guess we will never know.

agrees that leeches give us a bad name


If they are, as you said, renowned DJs, as in famous ones, they most likely got the actual CD sent to them by the label, or maybe the Artist before it was sent to label.


Posted by CKYTEP on May-19-2004 09:11:

Fuck the greedy bitches

File sharing did a great thing and put overpaid babies back on their place... They still way overpaid IMO...

Now if i like the song/album/liveset ,whatever i download, i will pay the money and see their performace.. or i will buy a record to play out. Thats how artist should be compensated... not a percentage of millions of cd's they sell... only makes goldbrick recording companies richer

The track shouldn't be more then a showcase of the artists ability adn what to expect on their performcace.


Posted by Nando25 on May-19-2004 09:18:

quote:
Originally posted by Anno Domino
File Sharing and ASOT made AVB realy really famous now his song played on NYC radio he is deffinetly making more money cause people were sharing his music.....


its different for RAP/Pop/Rock

because they all make artist albums and it takes them a long time to do it DJ/Producers are always making new songs and our scene is changing faster then any other...


good point
like armin lots.....


when they aren't famous all of them want to spread their work
when they are famous some of them only think in money

i don't have money, i don't have money, lot's of people don't have money, i don't buy records, if i had money i would buy for sure


Posted by Massive84 on May-19-2004 09:53:

imo trance labels shouldn't complain about filesharing..

unlike pop/rap downloaders, trance folks, don't go make cd's and sell it for their own profit(maybe a few fookers do), since there is alot of respect for producers and djs.

like a prevous poster said, sharing made EDM very famous now, and if labels start complaining now, means they are heading commercial path, like pop and rap, and i bet many people won't respect those labels,djs and producers anymore.


Posted by Stanza on May-19-2004 10:50:

yea well the producers bust their asses to produce top quality tracks for us TA's to enjoy, and u know what..? They have to make a living out of this. Which means they HAVE to sell their stuff to support themselves and to put food on the table.

Since many trance artist are not signed with those big wanky record companies, they don't earn that much...

I don't think it would be very helpful if the majority of ppl just d/l shit and never buy cd's..


Posted by GT40 on May-19-2004 10:56:

quote:
Originally posted by Massive84
imo trance labels shouldn't complain about filesharing..

unlike pop/rap downloaders, trance folks, don't go make cd's and sell it for their own profit(maybe a few fookers do), since there is alot of respect for producers and djs.

like a prevous poster said, sharing made EDM very famous now, and if labels start complaining now, means they are heading commercial path, like pop and rap, and i bet many people won't respect those labels,djs and producers anymore.


There are some trance jocks in it for the money namely dutch dj's who regularly complain about file sharing cause their greedy.


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