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Looks like the Sun's copying me.


http://www.canoe.ca/NewsStand/Toron...orial/home.html

Days of reckoning for Grits

AFTER ELEVEN years and three straight majority governments, it's time to throw the Liberal bums out.

If Prime Minister Paul Martin and the Grits were proud of their accomplishments, they'd be talking about them instead of smearing Stephen Harper and the Conservatives at every opportunity, as they have for weeks now in the run-up to today's expected election call.

Then again, it's easy to see why the Liberals would rather not discuss their own record. Consider ...

# INTEGRITY: When the sponsorship scandal broke, Martin said Canadians had a right to know what had happened, before he'd call the vote. That's broken promise No. 1.

Despite Martin's promise to fix the "democratic deficit," he ordered Liberal MPs on the Commons committee investigating AdScam to shut it down. If the Grits win this election, count on them to wreck the judicial inquiry into AdScam as well, just as they did with the Somalia inquiry.

# HEALTH CARE: While the Liberals portray themselves as the guardians of national health care, it was Martin's cuts to health funding for the provinces when he was finance minister that led to many of the crises he now says he'll fix. Yet he blames Ontario's awful new health tax on Mike Harris? C'mon!

# JUSTICE: After sticking us with a useless long gun registry that was supposed to cost $2 million but is on track to cost well over $1 billion, the Liberals made a last-ditch attempt last week to give it a facelift -- including a promise to increase penalties for gun crime. Coming from the folks who've done nothing in a decade to fix our revolving-door justice system, and who replaced the soft-on-crime Young Offenders Act with the even worse Youth Criminal Justice Act, that promise is laughable.

# THE MILITARY: The ultimate symbol of Liberal neglect of our once-robust Armed Forces? They still haven't replaced our ancient Sea King helicopters, after cancelling the contract let by the previous Tory government over a decade ago. Shame.

# IMMIGRATION: The feds can't find thousands of failed refugee claimants, some with links to terrorism and organized crime (and their records on those are abysmal, too). Meanwhile, they continue to set immigration policy without consulting cities like Toronto, which bear the brunt of the costs.

# FOREIGN POLICY: The Liberals have damaged, perhaps irreparably, our relationship with the U.S., our closest ally and largest trading partner. Not agreeing to join the U.S.-led coalition in Iraq was one thing. But the way the Liberals did it -- complete with name-calling -- was childish, boorish and costly.

# TRANSPORTATION: Under the Grits, our national air and rail carriers have stumbled from one crisis to the next. And they've raked in billions in gas tax revenues while investing next to nothing in infrastructure. Enough said.

Small wonder the Liberals would prefer to talk about anything but their record. Well, too bad. Once Martin drops the writ, they'll have no choice. Starting today, voters will get their long-awaited chance to hold them to account.

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Originally posted by ShadoWolf Looks like the Sun's copying me. http://www.canoe.ca/NewsStand/Toron...orial/home.html # FOREIGN POLICY: The Liberals have damaged, perhaps irreparably, our relationship with the U.S., our closest ally and largest trading partner. Not agreeing to join the U.S.-led coalition in Iraq was one thing. But the way the Liberals did it -- complete with name-calling -- was childish, boorish and costly.

um..yeah. we should support this ridiculous war b/c of trading relationship w/ the US- that's brilliant. Our soldiers lives are worth more than that!

what a poorly written one-sided 'article'- this is why the Sun will never be more than a cheap tabloid rag. they talk about a lack of integrity in the liberal party yet they have no journalistic integrity. i would call myself a fan of the liberal party but that what crappy article!

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Originally posted by ShadoWolf # TRANSPORTATION: Under the Grits, our national air and rail carriers have stumbled from one crisis to the next. And they've raked in billions in gas tax revenues while investing next to nothing in infrastructure. Enough said.

I will lead this with an open ended question so that you yourself can answer.

Which PM sold CN RAIL to a private consortium?

CN RAIL is/was profitable yet the gov't at the time decided that it needed to be privatized yet still held on to VIA rail for some god awful reason. Maybe becuase VIA is not AT ALL profitable.

NOW VIA rail has to PAY once publicly owned CNRAIl to use there rail lines across Canada.

Smart move? You answer the question, go find out which gov't did it as well.

/end

I understand your disgust with the Liberals, but let's hear some reasons as to why we should vote Conservative.

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Originally posted by charmscars what a poorly written one-sided 'article'- this is why the Sun will never be more than a cheap tabloid rag. they talk about a lack of integrity in the liberal party yet they have no journalistic integrity. i would call myself a fan of the liberal party but that what crappy article!

it is an editorial so you would expect the one-sidedness. you wouldn't expect Sun readers to have the intelligence to form unbiased toughts.

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Originally posted by ShadoWolf # THE MILITARY: The ultimate symbol of Liberal neglect of our once-robust Armed Forces? They still haven't replaced our ancient Sea King helicopters, after cancelling the contract let by the previous Tory government over a decade ago. Shame. # IMMIGRATION: The feds can't find thousands of failed refugee claimants, some with links to terrorism and organized crime (and their records on those are abysmal, too). Meanwhile, they continue to set immigration policy without consulting cities like Toronto, which bear the brunt of the costs.

Regarding the helicopters, it cost over 100 Million to cancel the contract, which was for between $250-$350 million, but hey they kept that promise right?

As for Immigration, the problem is enforcement and action of policy. The FEDS leave it to the local police to pickup these criminals by chance, if @ all, and then deport them.. which happens pretty irregularily. Also, those that want to come here legally through proper sponsership or VISAs face a large financial drain, long waits, and botched files. They tried to deport my ex's son because they screwed up his paper work. He must of been one threatening 4yr old...

this article is so well written...for a 10 year old. this editorial is a laugher.

thanks for brightening up my day.

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Originally posted by kwongandy this article is so well written...for a 10 year old. this editorial is a laugher. thanks for brightening up my day.

you have to remember who their target audience is-- the challenge is to express opinions mono-syllabically as to not hurt their reader's brains.

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Originally posted by charmscars um..yeah. we should support this ridiculous war b/c of trading relationship w/ the US- that's brilliant. Our soldiers lives are worth more than that! what a poorly written one-sided 'article'- this is why the Sun will never be more than a cheap tabloid rag. they talk about a lack of integrity in the liberal party yet they have no journalistic integrity. i would call myself a fan of the liberal party but that what crappy article!

Actually, the sun says

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# FOREIGN POLICY: The Liberals have damaged, perhaps irreparably, our relationship with the U.S., our closest ally and largest trading partner. Not agreeing to join the U.S.-led coalition in Iraq was one thing. But the way the Liberals did it -- complete with name-calling -- was childish, boorish and costly.

They certainly don't endorse the war here, and are quite correct that the manner Art Eggleton as well as some other MPs grandstanded and slagged the US and Bush(although I agreed with the assessments) are certainly not the way to manage your country's affairs. This cost Canada badly come Mad Cow and SARS. Ever wonder why they shut our beef out within a day, and no political rapport over the issue, which cost our economy billions. When I was in Detroit for DEMF, CNN had Toronto and SARS scrolling around the bottom every 43 seconds..as well as Mad Cow right behind it.

I've been browsing all the party websites recently, and am keeping my options open.. some interesting info from the NDP's site..

Federal funding for health care is lower today than it was in 1994. Even with recent increases, the federal share of health care will have dropped from 50 per cent to 13 per cent. The result? No cash, no clout! Funding cuts have hurt the government's ability to enforce national standards.

National standards are weaker today than they were when the Liberals took office, and federal enforcement of the Canada Health Act is so weak, the Auditor General says they can no longer tell which provinces comply.

The cost of patented drugs rose 27 per cent last year, and today, drugs cost more than doctors, but there's no national pharmacare plan. And families need help to care for loved ones at home, but there's no national homecare plan.

As much as I don't like the Sun, I've often found very balanced arguements and facts regarding a lot of topics, especially regarding our military and depleting social infrastructure.

As basic in form as the editorial was, nearly every point rings true in regards to the Liberals record over their term. I think it unfair that when pointing out the well documented failures of our leaders on this forum, those who do are then expected to champion a replacement (although some ppl here have taken that role themselves)

And Tara, I am really suprised @ your bashing of a paper, and their readership. Just because the majority of it does cater to a "percived" lower working class. The meat of the paper is sports and entertainment, with right leaning columns. You could flip your analyis in regards to the Star... say as a extremist left-wing rag that cries racism when the Blue Jays have too many white players (on the front page @ that).

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Originally posted by crazedcanuck Actually, the sun says They certainly don't endorse the war here, and are quite correct that the manner Art Eggleton as well as some other MPs grandstanded and slagged the US and Bush(although I agreed with the assessments) are certainly not the way to manage your country's affairs. This cost Canada badly come Mad Cow and SARS. Ever wonder why they shut our beef out within a day, and no political rapport over the issue, which cost our economy billions. When I was in Detroit for DEMF, CNN had Toronto and SARS scrolling around the bottom every 43 seconds..as well as Mad Cow right behind it.

If the Sun offers wholehearted support of the conservative goverment (or atleast harper "It was probably not an appropriate term, but we support the war effort and believe we should be supporting our troops and our allies and be there with them doing everything necessary to win," Harper said."- harper) would equal support of the war. Rather than coming out and saying it they chose to use the words 'it's one thing to not support the war'- avoiding the issue.

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Originally posted by crazedcanuck And Tara, I am really suprised @ your bashing of a paper, and their readership. Just because the majority of it does cater to a "percived" lower working class. The meat of the paper is sports and entertainment, with right leaning columns. You could flip your analyis in regards to the Star... say as a extremist left-wing rag that cries racism when the Blue Jays have too many white players (on the front page @ that).

The paper is written at a lower reading level. that is anundisputed fact. I find their editorials to be poorly written and more-onesided than just about any other newspaper (the G&M is also a more right-wing paper but I'm not bashing it).

I actually feel sorry for sun readers. i used to work in the office of a warehouse for a summer job. The ppl that worked in the warehouse were all sun readers. they had little education and often big families. they were all staunch harris supporters. they made little money but honestly belived that they would see some actual $ due to the tax cuts, meanwhile, the education system, and the health system were crumbling and they had no idea. Only a seect few realized that to raise their children to have better lives than what they had, it was important to have social programs that their children could rely on.

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Originally posted by charmscars If the Sun offers wholehearted support of the conservative goverment (or atleast harper "It was probably not an appropriate term, but we support the war effort and believe we should be supporting our troops and our allies and be there with them doing everything necessary to win," Harper said."- harper) would equal support of the war. Rather than coming out and saying it they chose to use the words 'it's one thing to not support the war'- avoiding the issue.

The Sun's or the Conservatives views aside, the Liberal's misconduct over the past few years in dealing with the US has hurt us badly.

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Originally posted by crazedcanuck The Sun's or the Conservatives views aside, the Liberal's misconduct over the past few years in dealing with the US has hurt us badly.

agreed. but i'd rather have a tarnished relationship w/ teh US due to some errors in judgement from members of the liberal party than have a conservative party in power that is sending our troops over there.

Alright here is a question, if the liberals are out, who comes in (lets forget about a minority government and only focus at a majority)

Would you rather have a Tory Government? This party stands to make this country into another American state and widen the gap between rich and the poor. They support a two tier health care system, they support lowering taxes, and I know you might think this is good BUT it means less public facilities and more PRIVATE owned and run institutions. I know many of us are in University, so let�s look at the University system. Tuition costs in Ontario have increased by 70 percent since 1995, taking inflation into account. In 1998, tuition fees for professional programs, such as medicine, law, and computer animation, were deregulated. This has resulted in increases of 300 to 700 percent.

So what do you think this government would do to all other programs?

NDP? Well I support the NDP fully because they not only have the interest of the people at heart but also the environment. I know they will not have a majority Government until over half of Canadians have health problems resulting from pollution. I also believe that the NDP, even though they spend like drunken sailor and that taxes will have to go up, that this is the best party for Canada and every Province. They put money where it matters, like health care, education, environment and social programs. They do not favor the Private sector. Therefore NDP is the best candidate.

Green Party? Well I think they will be a threat in 50-70 years when our society will be more conscious of the environment. Until then we will just hear about them.

So what do I predict? I predict and Liberal Minority Government. I myself will vote liberal, because I would rather see another Liberal Government have more power then the Tories because NDP has no chance in my riding.<<<<
I would like to hear what you have to say to this Question. If not a Liberal government, then who and why?

Now, now, no what-if's

Still, you could also make the arguement that our constant presence in Afghanistan is only making it easier for the US to work in Iraq.

Not to mention having staging bases in Afghanistan must do the US wonders in their imperialistic designs on the region. Thanks to the Liberal's sending our troops there (in forest green camo no less), Dubya and Co have had a strategic foothold in the regiion.

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Originally posted by crazedcanuck Federal funding for health care is lower today than it was in 1994. Even with recent increases, the federal share of health care will have dropped from 50 per cent to 13 per cent. The result? No cash, no clout! Funding cuts have hurt the government's ability to enforce national standards. National standards are weaker today than they were when the Liberals took office, and federal enforcement of the Canada Health Act is so weak, the Auditor General says they can no longer tell which provinces comply. The cost of patented drugs rose 27 per cent last year, and today, drugs cost more than doctors, but there's no national pharmacare plan. And families need help to care for loved ones at home, but there's no national homecare plan.

Now to understand these Results we must look at 2 things;
1) this was all done under a Liberal Government.
2) these numbers would be worse if the Tories would be in Power

Yes the Liberals are bad, but the Tories are worse and until NDP support rises, Liberals are my vote.

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Originally posted by Ukrainianstud Now to understand these Results we must look at 2 things; 1) this was all done under a Liberal Government. 2) these numbers would be worse if the Tories would be in Power Yes the Liberals are bad, but the Tories are worse and until NDP support rises, Liberals are my vote.

it's like a catch 22 tho. if you don't vote for the ndp but you like their politics the party will only further deplete, but if you don't vote for the liberals, the pc's have a better chance of getting in.

That was not a badly written editorial; anyone who thinks so doesn't like the substanitive content of it.

Anyway, why are we having an election now? This is all about what's best for the Lieberals, not for Canadians.

Lieberal values: corruption, "the ends justify the means," pork-barrel spending, fear-mongering, anti-Americanism, and waste.

That's NOT what Canada's about. Liberal values are NOT Canadian values.

Vote them out! There are plenty of alternatives to choose from.

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Originally posted by ShadoWolf That was not a badly written editorial; anyone who thinks so doesn't like the substanitive content of it. Anyway, why are we having an election now? This is all about what's best for the Lieberals, not for Canadians. Lieberal values: corruption, "the ends justify the means," pork-barrel spending, fear-mongering, anti-Americanism, and waste. That's NOT what Canada's about. Liberal values are NOT Canadian values. Vote them out! There are plenty of alternatives to choose from.

if by 'substantive' you mean 'base' then yes...

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Originally posted by charmscars if by 'substantive' you mean 'base' then yes...

*chuckle*

I believe it was Chaomsky(sp?) that famously decreed "the medium IS the message". Unfortunately, although much stated was true, such delivery hinders it's viability.

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Originally posted by crazedcanuck *chuckle* I believe it was Chaomsky(sp?) that famously decreed "the medium IS the message". Unfortunately, although much stated was true, such delivery hinders it's viability.

that was Marshall McLuhan (he was a canadian btw)not Chomsky.

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Originally posted by crazedcanuck Actually, the sun says They certainly don't endorse the war here, and are quite correct that the manner Art Eggleton as well as some other MPs grandstanded and slagged the US and Bush(although I agreed with the assessments) are certainly not the way to manage your country's affairs. This cost Canada badly come Mad Cow and SARS. Ever wonder why they shut our beef out within a day, and no political rapport over the issue, which cost our economy billions. When I was in Detroit for DEMF, CNN had Toronto and SARS scrolling around the bottom every 43 seconds..as well as Mad Cow right behind it.

http://www.teammartinsaid.ca/English/iraq.htm

�I really think Canada should get over to Iraq as quickly as possible,"
(Paul Martin, Prime Minister, North Bay Nugget, April 30, 2003)

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Originally posted by charmscars that was Marshall McLuhan (he was a canadian btw)not Chomsky.

Thanks Tara, I wrote a paper on McLuhan in school (I took Film and TV)

Too many years, and too many weekends have worn away what little capacity for storage I still have.. I save that space for basic motor function and hygene now.

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Originally posted by crazedcanuck Thanks Tara, I wrote a paper on McLuhan in school (I took Film and TV) Too many years, and too many weekends have worn away what little capacity for storage I still have.. I save that space for basic motor function and hygene now.

i hear ya: cultural theory is the first thing to go, as long as we remember which end of the toothrbrush to use, it'll be all good!

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Originally posted by ShadoWolf http://www.teammartinsaid.ca/English/iraq.htm �I really think Canada should get over to Iraq as quickly as possible," (Paul Martin, Prime Minister, North Bay Nugget, April 30, 2003)

i'd like to see the whole article- some context would be nice.

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