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Help: Ive been screwed on a Deal. What to do next?
Hello All. Heres the problem with all that I can think of. (Yes i know im a dumb ass to not do it properly)
I "purchased" a pair of CDJ1000's from a guy in NYC. I live in Ontario. I had send him a Money Order for $1400 US 3 weeks ago. He deposited it and never got back to me. I have his personal information (a copy of his drivers licence though it could be fake, and other finacial copy's with his stuff).
I purchased this off The Craigs list. www.craigslist.com i believe it is.
The guy gave me a name. There is another DJ (i believe) with the same DJ name, but different real name. I have not contacted him. The "fake" guy told me he owns a DJ company under that name of the other guy and said that selling old gear is a routine thing he had to do. I told the guy that jipped me that id get back to him on friday the 6th. I called him 2X on Tuesday the 3nd
I have also found the guy selling other equipment on the same place. I used my gf's e-mail address and he got back to "her" about purchasing something else 20 min after I mailed.
The guy did offer to meet me and give me the gear, or give it directly to someone else as a pickup. I think it might be an "oppertunity" crime.
I possibly have contacts in NYC (though i do not really know them) or someone that may be going there in September.
I have all the e-mails that I talked with him about, the contact for the "fake" DJ (and the real guy if if its not the same person, different phone number then the fake guy) and his mailing address. The money order has a tracking number on it, that his bank must confirm with my bank that its legit before it passes. My bank wont let me see his account unless i get a warrent im assuming.
WHAT DO I DO??????
Ampz
sounds fishy.
demand your money back in full.
^ Matt, i think its a little late for that when he wont reply to me.
Ampz
Should have written him a cheque...
Personally if you were going to do it that way I wouldn't have mailed jack until he gave me a tracking number from FedEx so I could confirm it was shipped.
You could have done the same after you confirmed.
If he had any doubts about receiving the money he could always phone FedEx and stop the process.
Sounds like you took a big chance and got suckered. 
You pretty much handed him cash... 
Ok I'm confused.
Where are you meeting this guy that lives in NYC?? 
Online Via the Craiglist posting website. like a buy/sell forum.
I do know what I should have done, but what do I now now.
Ampz
Boo Barry, Boo!
That really blows.
First thing is ruin his rep on the craiglist board.
For 1400 you can file a small claim in court.
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| Originally posted by StereoPrincess Boo Barry, Boo! That really blows. First thing is ruin his rep on the craiglist board. For 1400 you can file a small claim in court. |
Unfortunately, craigs list is not like ebay, where you have them monitering you purchases and what have you.
I would go to a court, tell them the situation, and see what they advise you (They are going to chide the hell out of you, i'm sure)
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| Originally posted by Fir3start3r How would that work? The guy is in the States... |
ok
if ANYONE can help you its me...
being a veteran in getting screwed on ebay (3 times)
and just recently for 1400 bucks:P
keep track of every email you send and receive... you need copies... write down everything you do, this will all help your case if you have to go to the bank to get your money back.
ebay has protection for this sort of thing but its only for a few hundred, 300 i think... but you dont get started on that until 14 days after trying to talk with the guy, this is all on the website...
you just have to keep trying to get thru to this guy, keep trying from other phone numbers, try to get more info about him...
this happened to me for a soundcard i bought, it was defective on arrival and then i couldnt get ahold of the guy for a refund, he kept delaying and sending me emails saying the cheque was in the mail, but the cheque never came...
hope this helps, trust me i know how you feel... ebay is a BITCH... good luck
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| Originally posted by GHOSH Unfortunately, craigs list is not like ebay, where you have them monitering you purchases and what have you. |
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| Originally posted by GHOSH Unfortunately, craigs list is not like ebay, where you have them monitering you purchases and what have you. I would go to a court, tell them the situation, and see what they advise you (They are going to chide the hell out of you, i'm sure) |
^I was thinking Judge Judy.....
Ampz
Silverman Helps? 
in NYC...
Ampz
NYTA gang beating!
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| Originally posted by 404 Science for 1400 bucks forget it... you'll end up losing all your money to court fees and lawyer fees.... plus a year or two or waiting... |
That is what i was thinking, Lawyer deal. Here or in NYC?
Barry
Well you could run the drivers license through someone. And determine if its fake.
I'd say its worth a trip down to NYC.
And do a bit of research.
What about contacting the Canadian embassy in New York? To sort of figure out where you stand legally. I dont really know if embassies do that sort of thing.
Obviously the guy can be found because there is a paper trail.
I'm not sure it merits any looking into from the authorities because its only $1400 US. I dont know if that consists of anything more than theft.
is there a cross boarder fraud website or so?
Ampz
Oh Barry thats really to bad !! I hope it all works out. That is a lot of money to just loose !
The money order has a tracking number on it, that his bank must confirm with my bank that its legit before it passes.
^^^
DJ_Ampz, sorry to hear about your situation.
Since I work in a bank, here's what I can tell you about the money orders (it's not good news either)
All money orders have serial numbers so they can be tracked and traced. However, since a money order is essentially "cash", that is, once it has the appropriate signatures and blanks filled in, it's legit since the funds are debited from your account directly; whereas the funds in a cheque must clear before leaving your account.
Since it's cash, you cannot put a stop payment on it like you would a cheque. The only way a money order can be returned or voided is if it has been altered, forged or counterfeited.
On your end, you purchased the money order at your institution and it was done in the proper manner. So, for this individual to deposit it into his account provided it was made out to the proper name and such, what he did was not illegal.
From a legal standpoint, do you have any sort of records of the proposed transaction? Ideally, if you had something in writing with his signature saying he promised to deliver some goods, then you have a concrete case.
On the other hand, I'm guessing everything was agreed to in conversation and perhaps email, hopefully you emails indicate he was intending to give you the CD decks; you have recourse in that case.
My best advice is to seek legal counsel. If I'm not mistaken, even emails carry enough clout the same way a signed document does. Working in a large company, you always see the disclaimer at the bottom mentioning that if you are the recipient of confidential or privileged information, you have certain measures outlined in the email saying you must inform the sender and whatnot.
I hope everything works out for you, best of luck.
^Sounds all about right. I got all the e-mails from him.
Ampz
I'd also talk to the cops... if he is still continuing his online fraud bit, set him up in another buy, and nail him in person.
And fyi, always use a 3rd party escrow service, like Paypal, or travel and pick up large ticket items and test them before you hand over the cash.
Using things like Paypal will allow you to pay via credit card, and void any sketchy transactions.
yeah i can catch him in it. just need advice 'WHO' to approach in regards to the catching.
Barry
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