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Posted by tupsox on Aug-09-2004 20:50:

Euro Anti-Semitism Watch

As we all know, Jewish cemeteries have been defaced all over Europe in recent years. But of course, drawing swastika's on tombstones is just an expression of Anti-Zionism, not Anti-semitism.


And now this:
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satell...1256783&apage=1

quote:
While on a tour of the museum at the Auschwitz death camp in Poland on Sunday, a group of around 50 Jewish university students from Israel, the U.S. and Poland were verbally attacked by a three-member gang of French male tourists


And people got upset over Ariel Sharon telling French Jews to leave because they face the wildest anti-Semitism? Cause, you know, France has such a good history of protecting it's Jewish population


Posted by tupsox on Aug-09-2004 20:55:

Also, shame on the 50 for not sending the 3 frogs to the hospital. Jews need to learn how to fight back if they don't want a repeat of the Holocaust, when we were just marched to our deaths.


Posted by Cyrus King on Aug-09-2004 21:44:

Arabs/Islamic/middle eastern people are facing anti-semetic attacks too.


Posted by FederalBI on Aug-09-2004 22:28:

quote:
Originally posted by tupsox
Also, shame on the 50 for not sending the 3 frogs to the hospital. Jews need to learn how to fight back if they don't want a repeat of the Holocaust, when we were just marched to our deaths.

i'm sure if there were people from my hood those tree fags would go back home in pieces , thats so irritating how they aren't haveing any respect to the holocaust, i shouldn't have taken my last sig off where was written "NUKE FRANCE , www.FUCKFRANCE.com"


Posted by Yoepus on Aug-09-2004 23:56:

I believe this is noteworthy primarly for this reason:

Why were the Frenchmen there?


The new anti-semitism is differnet in that is some how hidden in a political correctness. Obviously, the Frenchmen had no intent to mentally respect the memorial they visited, yet their political correctness most likely forced them to visit the 'tourist attraction'.


You Europeans are crazy.

Glad I'm on this side of the ocean.

No Jewish or muslim cemetaries vandalized here yet.


Posted by tupsox on Aug-10-2004 03:05:

quote:
Originally posted by Cyrus King
Arabs/Islamic/middle eastern people are facing anti-semetic attacks too.


True... But european anti-Arab and anti-Muslim sentiment is a bit of a modern development. The historical undertones of anti-Semitism, at Auschwitz no less, are simply terrifying. I don't mean to downplay other hate...anything of the sort is terrible. But when Europeans start forgetting, or excusing their treachery of World War II (with the exception of the Scandinavians, Bulgarians and Brits), the world has a problem.


Posted by malek on Aug-10-2004 03:07:

wasn't Bulgaria part of the Axis?


Posted by tupsox on Aug-10-2004 03:43:

quote:
Originally posted by malek
wasn't Bulgaria part of the Axis?


I suppose nations like Bulgaria and Finland are in a grey middle ground. I think both countries were part of the axis, but both countries also did very well to protect their Jewish populations.


Posted by FederalBI on Aug-10-2004 08:13:

quote:
Originally posted by malek
wasn't Bulgaria part of the Axis?

good think i'm studying history in school , bulgaria was a part of the Axis, yet Bulgaria and Denemark were both the most helpfull countries to the jews during the ww2 , though i don't know much about bulgaria but in denemark when the goverment knew about the fact the nazis want to send the jews to work camps , they started spreding the word in the street and the denish people started giving shlteres to the jews there were even stories about peoeple who came to jews on teh street and gave them teh keys of their houses.During hte war the danish people saved 7,000 jews by transporting them to Sweden, and only about 400 jews were caught by the nazis and sent to the work camps , even though they were caught the danish goverment and other organizations from danemark sent them food and made sure they are alive and after the war 300 of them stayed alive, in "Yad va shem"
the holocaust museum the whole danish people considered as "Hasidey umot ha Olam" (those who saved jews during the war without getti'n any profit of it and those who were in danger because of the fact they saved jews) though less then 100 danish people registered as those people because there weren't enough vitnices to tell the stories of their saviors.
HOLY SHIT THAT WHAT HAPPEN WHEN YOU GOT ABIG HISTORY TEST IN 2 weeks


Posted by trancaholic on Aug-10-2004 08:46:

This thread is a fine example of hypocracy. You Israeli fanatics whine about anti-semitism (i.e. racism) and then go on to generalize from three French citizens to the whole lot of them - and from France to the entire Europe. Do you really expect anyone to take you seriously?


Posted by DrUg_Tit0 on Aug-10-2004 10:10:

quote:
Originally posted by trancaholic
This thread is a fine example of hypocracy. You Israeli fanatics whine about anti-semitism (i.e. racism) and then go on to generalize from three French citizens to the whole lot of them - and from France to the entire Europe. Do you really expect anyone to take you seriously?


Exactly what I was going to say. You generalize about a country of 50 million people based on a case of 3 individuals. Besides, there are countless French tourists who went through Auswitz and if I recall correctly, this is the first time something like this happened. With that sort of logic, we can arrive to similar conclusions about the US. Wasn't there a mosque burned there right after 9-11? And there were some insulting grafitti written on a few others. Oh, well, I guess that every US citizen is an anti-muslim crusader then.

As for WW2 treatment of the Jews, I don't think there was a single country that liked them at the time. Britain itself had a pretty strong nazi movement which perished only thanks to Churchil's good leadership, and the US repeatedly refused to accept Jewish refugees, allowing only 250 000 to get in. The scandinavian countries were even worse, Sweden allowed about 10 000 Jews to get in, while in Norway about half were deported to German concentration camps.


Posted by FederalBI on Aug-10-2004 11:27:

your having the same problem people in europe had 60 years ago.
there are tones of anti semitism for example in france but most of it ,is too small to get to the papers or to the NEWS on television you think anti semitism is only when someone drawing on jewish
tombstones , or when someone burning synagogue. NO! anti semitisim is also when your being cursed becasue your jew or when someone don't want to talk to you because your jew. don't bullshit me about how can any one take us seriously , that phrase made me so mad don't you think jews learned their lesson when we had 6 milion dead people !?
so cut the crap.


Posted by Flotser on Aug-10-2004 13:03:

quote:
Originally posted by FederalBI
your having the same problem people in europe had 60 years ago.
there are tones of anti semitism for example in france but most of it ,is too small to get to the papers or to the NEWS on television you think anti semitism is only when someone drawing on jewish
tombstones , or when someone burning synagogue. NO! anti semitisim is also when your being cursed becasue your jew or when someone don't want to talk to you because your jew. don't bullshit me about how can any one take us seriously , that phrase made me so mad don't you think jews learned their lesson when we had 6 milion dead people !?
so cut the crap.


but your stupid attitude towards france is the same,
FRANCE GAVE OUR SONG 10 POINTS IN THE EUROVISION 2 EYARS AGO!!!!
FRENCH PEOPLE ARE OUR FRIENDS....


and....realy......DrUg_Tit0&trancaholic do have a point, you cant go and fight anti-semetism, when you are joining the stupid anti-french wave. you can go anti-Shirak, or i dont know, but blaaah


Posted by FederalBI on Aug-10-2004 13:06:

i can do what i want in matter of fact.
if you grand parents weren't in the holocaust you wouldn't understand just as them , you wouldn't care just as them. as far as i care you save your tought to your self


Posted by tupsox on Aug-10-2004 13:15:

quote:
Originally posted by trancaholic
This thread is a fine example of hypocracy. You Israeli fanatics whine about anti-semitism (i.e. racism) and then go on to generalize from three French citizens to the whole lot of them - and from France to the entire Europe. Do you really expect anyone to take you seriously?


I'll repeat myself: France has such a good history of protecting it's Jewish population

If the French were mostly saints as you would like to imply, they did a pretty lousy job protecting their Jews in World War II when they collaborated with the Nazis to have them deported and sent to camps. And no, I'm not stupid enough to buy into the bullshit that every Frenchman was in le resistance, just like every American was at woodstock '69, assholes say they were to sound cool.

I gave credit where its due to Scandinavia and Bulgaria for protecting their own Jewish populations.

When a nation has tens if not hundreds of thousands of deaths and blood on its hand, I think the burden of proof is on THEM to show that they're actually decent people...I have little to prove because the facts of history should speak for themselves.


Posted by tupsox on Aug-10-2004 13:24:

quote:
Originally posted by DrUg_Tit0
Exactly what I was going to say. You generalize about a country of 50 million people based on a case of 3 individuals. Besides, there are countless French tourists who went through Auswitz and if I recall correctly, this is the first time something like this happened. With that sort of logic, we can arrive to similar conclusions about the US. Wasn't there a mosque burned there right after 9-11? And there were some insulting grafitti written on a few others. Oh, well, I guess that every US citizen is an anti-muslim crusader then.

As for WW2 treatment of the Jews, I don't think there was a single country that liked them at the time. Britain itself had a pretty strong nazi movement which perished only thanks to Churchil's good leadership, and the US repeatedly refused to accept Jewish refugees, allowing only 250 000 to get in. The scandinavian countries were even worse, Sweden allowed about 10 000 Jews to get in, while in Norway about half were deported to German concentration camps.


A more apt analogy might be for some American tourists to go to a Native American burial site or the location of some fierce battle/massacre and start harassing and mocking Native Americans. Which of course, hasn't happened and will not happen.

Do you really need me to post pages of pictures and stories from the last year of blatant and rabid Jew-hatred from Europe, or will you Euros finally admit you've a bit of a problem on your hands? Just saying "its a tiny minority, nothing to worry about" is NOT going to take care of the problem!


Posted by occrider on Aug-10-2004 14:10:

I think France just has a compulsive obsession with graves and swastikas. They did, after all, spray swastikas on the graves of muslim soldiers who fought for France in WW1. They also sprayed swastikas on the graves of Brit soldiers. It's quite an interesting fetish. I blame French video games.


Posted by Cyrus King on Aug-10-2004 14:21:

Whenever there is an anti-semetic attack, it makes international news...

But when an arab is beaten up or called a terrorist(and im sure that occurs WAY more often than someone calling a hebrew a "dirty jew")or a mosque is defaced, it barely makes the local news.


Posted by tupsox on Aug-10-2004 14:29:

quote:
Originally posted by Cyrus King
Whenever there is an anti-semetic attack, it makes international news...

But when an arab is beaten up or called a terrorist(and im sure that occurs WAY more often than someone calling a hebrew a "dirty jew")or a mosque is defaced, it barely makes the local news.


Care to back up this assertion? From an article today about cemetary desecration in France:
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tm...antisemitism_dc

Note the number of attacks against Jews (135 out of 230 total), and the number of Jews in the total French population (600,000 out of about 60 million, compared to 5 million Muslims).

I will look for the article, but also with similar population sizes in the US (around 5.5 million I think), there were 6 times more anti-Jewish incidents than anti-Muslim.

I don't mean to belittle anti-Muslim bigotry; hate is hate and needs to be eradicated. Desecrating Muslim graves is every bit as despicable as desecrating Jewish graves. But don't go talking out of your ass.


Posted by Cyrus King on Aug-10-2004 14:35:

quote:
Originally posted by tupsox
Care to back up this assertion? From an article today about cemetary desecration in France:
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tm...antisemitism_dc

Note the number of attacks against Jews (135 out of 230 total), and the number of Jews in the total French population (600,000 out of about 60 million, compared to 5 million Muslims).

I will look for the article, but also with similar population sizes in the US (around 5.5 million I think), there were 6 times more anti-Jewish incidents than anti-Muslim.

I don't mean to belittle anti-Muslim bigotry; hate is hate and needs to be eradicated. Desecrating Muslim graves is every bit as despicable as desecrating Jewish graves. But don't go talking out of your ass.


Sorry, i wasnt only being specific to france, i should have elaborated and included north america in my comments.

I have noticed quite a bit that the Jewsih community plays the sympathy card in almost every little thing that occurs. It is always reported to the media if something as minute as a comment is made about them and if the media doesnt report it, they have an "anti-semetic" agenda.

Im sure in your lovely America that arabs are facing just as much, if not more anti-semetic attacks too.

Even people that might look like them (Sikh's) have been tartetted.


Posted by tupsox on Aug-10-2004 17:09:

quote:
Originally posted by Cyrus King
Sorry, i wasnt only being specific to france, i should have elaborated and included north america in my comments.

I have noticed quite a bit that the Jewsih community plays the sympathy card in almost every little thing that occurs. It is always reported to the media if something as minute as a comment is made about them and if the media doesnt report it, they have an "anti-semetic" agenda.

Im sure in your lovely America that arabs are facing just as much, if not more anti-semetic attacks too.

Even people that might look like them (Sikh's) have been tartetted.

Heaven forbid we take it seriously, I mean its not like 2/3 of us were wiped out solely because of our lineage 60 years ago.

Some of us take "Never Again" seriously.

"Im sure in your lovely America...."
Once again, a foreigner given a grossly inaccurate (and unfavorable) impression of the US by a bias media in his home country. Do you get all your news from leftist websites, the CBC, and Globe and Mail? Why don't you read some actual statistics, or come live here. You'll realize it ain't so bad, even (especially?) for minorities.


Posted by St_Andrew on Aug-10-2004 17:25:

quote:
Originally posted by FederalBI
i can do what i want in matter of fact.


yeah right, you can be as anti any group you want as long as none is anti back

idiot


Posted by Yoepus on Aug-10-2004 18:53:

quote:
Originally posted by trancaholic .. and drug tito
This thread is a fine example of hypocracy. You Israeli fanatics whine about anti-semitism (i.e. racism) and then go on to generalize from three French citizens to the whole lot of them - and from France to the entire Europe. Do you really expect anyone to take you seriously?


The concern is not to sterotype the Europeans as all being anti-semitic. You aren't.

However, you are dismissing the core here: The fact of our argument is that Europe has a new problem with anti-semitism.

You are denying the fact that Europe has this problem. We are simply pointing out and saying, Look Europe you have a problem and you better think about ways of dealing with it before it becomes a really big issue.

However, from my experience, and with statements such as yours above, I believe you simply do not recognize this problem. Europe is in denial.

I don't believe it is sterotypical to say Europe is anti-semtic. Just like it is not sterotypical to say USA is obese. Both nations have a problem with their issues, and should do something to correct that persona. It does not mean that everyone in the USA is fat, or that everyone in Europe is. It simply means they have a problem.

At least the USA invented Atkins.. they're trying to do something about their problem....


Posted by LiquidX on Aug-10-2004 18:56:

When my Jewish friends went to this trip " The Walk of something.. I forgot the name, the purpose of the trip was to go to the camps and such. Well, while in Poland, little kids stood their middle finger to them as they passed by in the buses.. as well verbally assaulted.


Posted by FederalBI on Aug-10-2004 21:08:

quote:
Originally posted by LiquidX
When my Jewish friends went to this trip " The Walk of something.. I forgot the name, the purpose of the trip was to go to the camps and such. Well, while in Poland, little kids stood their middle finger to them as they passed by in the buses.. as well verbally assaulted.

no way that could happen , your friends poped some pills before going to the camp? i can't belive someone can be that cruel and not having any respect to the holocaust. probbly one of the zionists inventions.


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