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Man arrested at Ex for the devious act of....

taking pictures!

Apparently some parents complained to the chief who happened to be on duty at the ex that some guy was taking pictures of their kids. The police sprang into action and arrested the guy and ransacked his house on a warrent.

Now, whether the guy is a wierdo or not is not whats at issue here. The fact is that this guy was arrested for taking public pictures in a public place. There were nothing sexual about the pictures. There was no harrassment going on from what i can tell. As i read it, the guy was taking pictures from a distance and people didnt like it.

Now think about the ramifications. What if one day you are out taking pictures and somebody decides that they dont like the fact that they happened to be in the shot. All of a sudden you get arrested and charged with mischief (since this act isnt actually illegal so theres no formal charge on the books for it).

This is some scary shit. The only time i ever remember hearing about people getting arrested for taking public pictures was in the old soviet bloc or in today's north korea.

Again this guy may or may not turn out to be a wierdo but arresting someone for simply taking otherwise legal pictures is disturbing in a "free" country.

meanwhile somewhere not too far away a real crime actually happend

yup!

I highly doubt you or I would have taken the effort to conceil our cameras by wrapping it with cardboard and such like this guy did. Why disguise your camera if your intentions are innocent? That alone gives the cops due cause to shut you down. The way they ransacked the house, I will agree is heavyhanded, but they did turn up 2 illegal switch blades which further casts shadiness to this guy.

This guy wasn't taking pictures of trees or general crowd shots. He was continually zooming in on kids with a camera he made concious efforts to conceal.

I say Well Done Chief!!!!

Jay - ask yourself this - if you were a father and a strange man would randomly be taking pictures of your kid - would you like that?

Now I don't want to say that he should be arrested, but he was resisting arrest and had to be taken down which means he might have been hiding something.

Would you like your kid to end up on someone's porn website?

so concealing a camera is illegal?

PS they wouldnt have found the switchblades had they not arrested him for the legal act of concealing a camera and taking pictures. So hopefully when these charges get thrown out, so will the ones resulting from this hopefully illegal arrest.

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Originally posted by starsearcher Would you like your kid to end up on someone's porn website?

So these kids were naked in public? If so its the parents that need to be charged.

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Originally posted by starsearcher Now I don't want to say that he should be arrested, but he was resisting arrest and had to be taken down which means he might have been hiding something.

He wouldnt have resisted arrest had he not been arrested. And, since he shouldnt have been arrested this charge should also be dropped. Want to nab this guy for kiddie porn? Catch him downloading it which is actually an illegal act. Dont just charge him for doing what i would definately call questionable, BUT LEGAL things.

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Originally posted by Form&Funktion I highly doubt you or I would have taken the effort to conceil our cameras by wrapping it with cardboard and such like this guy did. Why disguise your camera if your intentions are innocent? That alone gives the cops due cause to shut you down. The way they ransacked the house, I will agree is heavyhanded, but they did turn up 2 illegal switch blades which further casts shadiness to this guy. This guy wasn't taking pictures of trees or general crowd shots. He was continually zooming in on kids with a camera he made concious efforts to conceal. I say Well Done Chief!!!!

werd

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Originally posted by Jayx1 So these kids were naked in public? If so its the parents that need to be charged.

No but youre forgetting a lovely program called photoshop and the fact that the guy might have been taking pictures from "interesting angles"

In principal, yes, the arrest seems shady.

But if I saw a strange man taking pictures with a concealed camera of my child, I'd flip out a little too.

great... so the same guy can photoshop kids in magazines and do wierd things with the pics.

Give me a break..your defense here is quite reaching...

I could photshop your face and put it on a naked body so i guess im guilty of offensive picture taking there too?

Let me tell you a story related to this:

I had to pick up a friend who works at a daycare centre the other day. Of course their policy is that they never hire men. So i had to wait 10 minutes int he car for her to come outside. Do you want to know how many people stared at me and look at me as if i were some sort of child molester. People coming to get their kids, people who actually worked there who looked out the window repeatedly and then even asked my friend if she knew who i was.

The whole experience made me feel so nervous that i told her im never going back there to pick her up again. She can take the bus.


This picture taking incident scares me because one day if i am just sitting there waiting for someone maybe ill get arrested too for some out there charge just because someone thinks im a pedophile?

My crime? Waiting in my car for 10 mins to pick up a daycare worker... his crime? taking pictures in public...

Oh and they searched his house and found a switchblade.... what a wierdo!! If i had a nickle for every kid i knew who had a switchblade because they thought it was cool in high school.

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Originally posted by Skipper In principal, yes, the arrest seems shady. But if I saw a strange man taking pictures with a concealed camera of my child, I'd flip out a little too.

The law is (was) based on principal... not someones kooked out emotions.

Sadly it looks like the emotions and a photo opportunity won out over justice.

Jesus Jay.........throw away the technicalities for a second and use your common sense....I know you have it from other posts but I think you are way off on this one.

The point here is even if he truly was a hobbiest out for innocence pics out at the CNE a) what possible logic can you derive from concealing your camera b) when approached, simply talk with the officer regarding your intentions...DO NOT run then fight with the arresting officer c) why are there only photos of children on the cameras (as reported in The Star) d) if innocently taking pictures and you are asked to stop by parents....why do you persist until MULTIPLE parents complain to police?

I agree it's mostly circumstantial but the burden of evidence highly suggests mischieveious behavior....of which is his main charge against him. Lastely, given due cause for this behavior surrounding children, the cops had a LEGAL search order of which they executed. I feel bad for the unwitting parents but the police followed pretty standard procedure here.

On a satirical note: How much can you REALLY trust a single 42 old man who still lives with his parents anyway?

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If i had a nickle for every kid i knew who had a switchblade because they thought it was cool in high school.

How many kids in highschool do you know are 42 years old?

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Originally posted by Jayx1 He wouldnt have resisted arrest had he not been arrested. And, since he shouldnt have been arrested this charge should also be dropped. Want to nab this guy for kiddie porn? Catch him downloading it which is actually an illegal act. Dont just charge him for doing what i would definately call questionable, BUT LEGAL things.

What should they have done, once they realized he was taking pictures of other people's children with an intentionally hidden camera?

just curious.

Jayx, I just wanted some clarification regarding your comments. Are you suggesting that it is Canadian Law that is commiting error here?
i.e. a classic Jayx rant about how are freedom is being comprimised, blah, blah, blah type deal...

Or are you simply saying that public perception is affecting the manner in which our police force react to these types of scenarios?

You have to understand that this is a highly sensitive issue for some. Current culture dictates that parents have to be very protective of their children, due to the number of abductions, sex crimes, etc. that are committed. Our police force is driven by public opinion. If people came up to Fantino and said there is some creep taking pics of little kids, what was he supposed to do? You failed to mention that it was reported (may or may not have happened) that this guy resisted arrest. The only reason he was "taken down" was because of his actions.

If you are saying that public opinion is forcing the hand of our police force, I will agree with you. However, I would submit that this is preferrable to a force that does not value public opinion.

aaah so if he were single and living with his parents at 22 it would be different?

Sorry but technicality is what the rule of law is all about. You cant just throw justice to the wind because your emotions are getting the better of you.

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I agree it's mostly circumstantial but the burden of evidence highly suggests mischieveious behavior....of which is his main charge against him.

circumstantial evidence has never (or was never)been enough to get you charged or convicted in the past. Not to mention the charge is mischief, not picture taking. Whats to stop the police from arresting other people for public picture taking?

Im not defending this guy if he does turn out to be a perv. But the manner in which they went about apprehending this guy is what is disturbing. By this logic, will the act of driving down jarvis and looking at prostitutes now be considered soliciting? Where do we draw the line?

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Originally posted by Jayx1 The law is (was) based on principal... not someones kooked out emotions. Sadly it looks like the emotions and a photo opportunity won out over justice.

But was he charged with anything?

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Originally posted by Cataclysmic Jayx, I just wanted some clarification regarding your comments. Are you suggesting that it is Canadian Law that is commiting error here? i.e. a classic Jayx rant about how are freedom is being comprimised, blah, blah, blah type deal... Or are you simply saying that public perception is affecting the manner in which our police force react to these types of scenarios?

im suggesting both. Canadian law has comitted an error by charging someone with a crime that is not registered on the books and will continue this error if he is convicted. It is my guess that this will get thrown out by the courts. The police are acting on public emotion which is not a good thing either. The police are not there to create the law they are there to enforce it.

If the police had acted within their means the

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Originally posted by Skipper But was he charged with anything?

mischief since "public photo taking" isnt a charge.

Jay, you're sid stepping the real issue here. The police were acting on information provided by the public which suggested that this man was commiting a crime. They arrested the man based on this information. The crime that he was suspected of is a grave one, and hence the take down that ensued. Comparing: a) taking pics. of little kids at the ex and b) looking at hookers from your car are two completely seperate things. Come on man, you cannot honestly believe the two are remotely parallel in any way.

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Originally posted by Jayx1 Let me tell you a story related to this: I had to pick up a friend who works at a daycare centre the other day. Of course their policy is that they never hire men. So i had to wait 10 minutes int he car for her to come outside. Do you want to know how many people stared at me and look at me as if i were some sort of child molester. People coming to get their kids, people who actually worked there who looked out the window repeatedly and then even asked my friend if she knew who i was. The whole experience made me feel so nervous that i told her im never going back there to pick her up again. She can take the bus.

Now that's just downright paranoia... people need to chill out a bit. Everyone's so afraid of everything these days, politically correct, scared of terrorists, government, pedofiles, etc.

What exactly was the crime that the public was accusing this guy of? And dont say taking pictures because that clearly is not a crime.

Tell me what he was doing legally wrong...

What if the same person went up to the cops and accused me of being a pedophile because i was "hanging around a daycare centre in my car suspiciously" and i got arrested for mischief?

This shit scares me for that reason alone.

And if a cop ever came to my window and asked me what i was doing my answer would have been "so now its illegal to idle in your car in a public place?" Dont think id be too friendly towards this man either.

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