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Election time again

With so much bullshit going around here these days, lets put some of that egotistical (my E-Pen0r is bigger than yours) to some good use. And salvage some of that intellect if any and place it in here regarding the up and coming election.

Which person is best suited for the job?
Is your mind made up already?
Do you even vote?
Also does anyone vote on the policies that each party brings out?

im voting Howard.

i just dont think latham can cut it

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Originally posted by waXology im voting Howard. i just dont think latham can cut it

Same, something mighty significant would have to happen for me to change. I don't mind some Labour policies, although some are blatant popularist (?) policies that won't work, but they'd fuck it up anyway, along with the economy and do a crappy job of running the country. The Libs would do a better job of running the country, Johnny = much better leader. If I had ANY confidence in Labor and their ability to run the country I might vote for them, but even though I don't like a couple of Lib policies (Tax, Hecs) I'm voting for them.

Greens and Democrats are a bunch of knobs who don't know shit.

Yes I vote, Yes my mind is made up.

Sorry for being a prick, but Wax you're not voting for Howard unless you vote in Bennelong, you vote for your local Liberal member.

Don't really care about the Lower House, just make sure you vote for the Dems in the senate. This goes for Liberal voters too: if the Dems lose enough seats, then it's the Greens who will hold the balance of power there. Wouldn't you prefer to have us there instead?

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Originally posted by Trance Nutter Greens and Democrats are a bunch of knobs who don't know shit.

It makes me weep openly that people like you have a say in how my life is going to be run for the next 3 years.

ok i come from a strong liberal background / family, but im really at a loss as to who to vote.

Liberal: they fucked up with the whole war thing, i cant support them because of that.

Labour: have good policies for environment, health, education. I went and heard Peter Garret speak few weeks ago - but Labour will also be for things that im against.

Greens: well u'd think i would be voting for them - but no, although im pretty much a hippy when it comes to environmental issues, they also support things that i dont.

Democrats: are they even worth considering? really?


So im still deciding.

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Originally posted by waXology im voting Howard. i just dont think latham can cut it

this is how i feel.

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Originally posted by gumble Democrats: are they even worth considering? really?

No point in voting for the lower-house candidates but like I said, vote for them in the senate. At least that way - regardless of whether it's Johnny or Biffo who wins the election - they're not going to be able to fuck things up too much.

Im voting based on my profession
liberals have royally fucked up medicare, less incentives to bulk bill meaning a back log of non-severe cases in the emergency departments. Why is there a 6-8 hr wait to get a bed let alone to see a doctor, because people front to triage with minor things


Its a big ask to improve health and health care but atm i dont see the liberals doing that.

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Originally posted by narcism Its a big ask to improve health and health care but atm i dont see the liberals doing that.

Will Labor though?

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Originally posted by Renegade Will Labor though?

Not to my standard they wont but they will at least try to patch up medicare with a bandaid solution, instead of ebolishing it

What I vote won't matter... my seat has always been liberal, and will (unfortunatly) always be liberal.

Damn old rich people that live in my area, I may as well piss my vote against the wall.... DEMOCRATS it is.

Some young liberal policies i digged up from their website.

*SHOCK* (this is what they are drumming into their future liberal leaders)

The NSW Young Liberal Movement:

Opposes Affirmative Action.

Supports the full privatisation of Telstra.

Opposes the trials of heroin injecting rooms.

Believes that the Federal Government should protect marriage as an institution between husband and wife.

Supports the privatisation of the ABC and SBS.
Calls on the NSW Division to continue the approach of not preferencing parties which support the legalisation of drugs in all future Federal, State and Local Government elections.

Calls on the Federal Government to remove service delivery from ATSIC's control, restructure ATSIC to become an advocacy and policy body, dismiss the current ATSIC board and replace it with a smaller more accountable board, return responsibility and funding for the delivery of basic services to the appropriate State or Commonwealth Government department.

Supports John Howard's handling of the Iraq crisis.

Supports Voluntary Student Unionism (VSU).

Supports work-for-the-dole.

Condemns the actions of those asylum seekers who destroyed Commonwealth property in detention centres and calls for their immediate deportation.

Calls upon the Federal Government to revoke the tax -exempt status of all donations over $2 to Greenpeace.

Supports the NSW Liberal�s policy to introduce school codes of discipline that would ban swearing at teachers, the use of mobile phones or CD players in class and enforce the wearing of uniforms.

Believes our uranium reserves must be utilised for Australia�s maximum benefit.

study enough politics at uni so really couldn't be bothered to get into any form of political discussion in the place where I usually come to get away from it all, BUT I am voting greens simply because they have a plan in place for the decriminalisation of our little best friend, Mr E!

There's no fookin' way that i would ever vote for Howard.

yay for legalisation, go greens, you buncha mushroom eating tree hugging hippies

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Originally posted by waXology im voting Howard. i just dont think latham can cut it

i have to agree

for the first time i aint voting at all. I disagree vehemently with latham's plan to pull out of iraq, and no matter what is happening in the world i shall never lower myself to vote for the "liberals".
and as for the independents, they just push my preference one way or the other. so on ballot day i shall enjoy not having to leave the house.

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Originally posted by S_madis I am voting greens simply because they have a plan in place for the decriminalisation of our little best friend, Mr E!

thats

what is there plan???

you could argue maybe that by de-criminalising a substance that it takes away some of its appeal, but you cant seriously make a drug like that legal....

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Originally posted by 00soups00 you cant seriously make a drug like that legal....

why on earth not? no different to going out for a few drinks. govt shouldnt stick there nose into what i stick in my body.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN why on earth not? no different to going out for a few drinks. govt shouldnt stick there nose into what i stick in my body.

no different to going out for a few drinks??


you must be kidding arent you... like how can you take a post like that seriously.

as least get real about it...

and governments role is to attempt to protect the society they govern.. now you could argue that present government may not do all they can to protect their society, and may even put there own needs ahead of the society's, however they cannot ACTIVELY allow something which is known to be bad for health...

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Originally posted by Adnan1999'ing Some young liberal policies i digged up from their website. *SHOCK* (this is what they are drumming into their future liberal leaders)

Almost all Young Libs are right-wing freaks that bear no resemblence to the senior party.

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Originally posted by 00soups00 no different to going out for a few drinks??

actually soups, im not kidding. the reason i just said the basics is coz i didnt wanna have to type all the following shit ;o)

firstly, its kinda arbitrary to suggest that the "governments role is to attempt to protect the society they govern" -you'll find a lot of literature exists that argues for all different kinds of roles for govt. while i do agree that govt should protect its citizens from various social, economic & political issues, i do not think that govt should protect an individual from themselves. if you think that they should, then there are countless legal things that exist that cause all kinds of social degradation & death that should also be banned:
cars, gambling, alcohol, cigarettes (just to name a few).

so yeah, govt *does* "ACTIVELY allow something which is known to be bad for health" and always has. if youre going to be against the decriminalisation of particular substances, you would need to show how the drugs that are banned are inherently different from the ones that are not. i simply do not see the difference between going pilling during an event and getting totally pissed. they may differ in terms of the relative danger, but surely that is an individual's choice rather than the role of a nosy govt.

the major result of banning substances is that it creates a criminal power structure, just as prohibition did in the US. as long as such a profit-margin exists, there will always be those willing to take the risks & deal and produce narcotics. now, that being the case, i would much rather go buy stuff from a govt laboratory than being forced to trust someone at a party. harm minimisation.

prohibition certainly hasnt worked, has it?

once you start allowing govts to tell a citizen what they can and cannot do to themselves, youre essentially pandering to an elitist morality that enforces their view of what's right for my conduct (in the context of my conduct towards myself). why is their morality superior to my own, especially when we are discussing my body?

now, are we taking me more seriously now? ;o)

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[i][b]Originally posted by so on ballot day i shall enjoy not having to leave the house.

isn't there a fine

I'm only going to vote just to get free tea and coffee plus the obligational "election day" theft of the Scotch fingers.

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Originally posted by Xavier isn't there a fine I'm only going to vote just to get free tea and coffee plus the obligational "election day" theft of the Scotch fingers.

there *is* a fine, but only if youre enrolled to vote, which i aint

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