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Posted by Jayx1 on Sep-23-2004 11:39:

This is truely sad

Why don't these women get a fucking job? I know of situations personally that are almost as severe except that one took off to mexico (after paying through the nose) and the other is living with his parents at 45 years old while making 50,000 a year. The Canadian divorce court system is highly sexist against men and there is no doubt about it.

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He�s a modern day Thoreau, but rather than a serene life in the woods by Walden Pond, Al Low can hear the roar of highway traffic from his crudely constructed shack behind the Q.E.W. in Oakville.

And there�s little time to contemplate man�s place in society or the delicate relationship with nature. Low spends his spare time in a state of constant stress exasperated by crippling alimony payments, and now, the threat of being ousted from his home of seven years.

Forty-eight-year-old Low makes close to $40,000 a year, but with two ex wives and three children to support, he was forced to make a hasty pilgrimage to the woods behind the body shop he works for.

�I wasn't homeless before but I am now thanks to the town and the province,� he said with more than a tinge of bitterness.

Low has lived in the homemade shack for seven years. But a re-location looks to be imminent. The Ontario Ministry of Transportation owns the property, and they�ve given Low one month to vacate the area.

�After 7 years, I guess they're worried about the liability,� he quipped.

�I'm not bothering anybody,� he added defiantly. �You know, I figured that was how things worked. You did your part and people left you alone, but apparently not.�

And while friends describe Low as a solitary man, he�s not alone in his fight to stay put.

Both the Canadian Auto Workers and Family Justice Review Board have contacted him and promised to help.





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Posted by smuncky on Sep-23-2004 11:48:

yeh this was the top story for CityTv yesterday

kinda sad if u think about it

just let the guy live in peace


Posted by d!abolic on Sep-23-2004 12:21:

Any man who ends up being homeless and does nothing about it for 7 years deserves what's coming for him. But yaa, the "justice" system is a joke still.


Posted by TrueToTheCrew on Sep-23-2004 12:40:

quote:
Originally posted by d!abolic
Any man who ends up being homeless and does nothing about it for 7 years deserves what's coming for him. But yaa, the "justice" system is a joke still.


who are you to judge him?
The man is paying a little over $1,000 a month for child support. Ya, he probably could not pay his alimony and go off and live somewhere decent but you gotta respect him. Let him be.


Posted by Form&Funktion on Sep-23-2004 12:58:

Wow....I agree with you Jay

Divorce and support proceedings have been wildly balanced to favour the women for decades. I've seen it first hand. My father got hosed when he divorced my step-mother....her kids were adults and out of the house while I was still in middle school....yet he had to give HER money. He stayed afloat but it wiped out all his savings and he had to remortgage our home. THat meant no money for college for me...I ended up having to work 30+ hours a week on top of my courses.

Yes, fathers have responsibility to their kids but the aplication of the laws has gone way too far in many cases.


Posted by jdjd on Sep-23-2004 13:10:

I've been to a divorce court before. The sight of the guys coming out of there is scary, they look like they've been sentenced to hell. One guy was pale-faced, sweating, looked like he was about to die. They will try to take everything you have, and everything you will ever have. And given Canadian law they will get it, and more.

Be careful who you marry!


Posted by Crazy Serb on Sep-23-2004 13:26:

quote:
Originally posted by jdjd
Be careful who you marry!


Hahaha! Be afraid, be very afraid!

Or just get them to sign a pre-nup... It's your money, anyway.


Posted by Skipper on Sep-23-2004 13:31:

quote:
Originally posted by Crazy Serb
Hahaha! Be afraid, be very afraid!

Or just get them to sign a pre-nup... It's your money, anyway.


a pre-nup doesn't prevent you from paying child support.
There are too many deadbeat dads out there. For every dad who you think gets punished by divorce court, there are 5 that get away paying nothing for their children.

My mum works in family court and it's stunning the stories she comes home with.


Posted by d!abolic on Sep-23-2004 13:41:

quote:
Originally posted by TrueToTheCrew
who are you to judge him?
The man is paying a little over $1,000 a month for child support. Ya, he probably could not pay his alimony and go off and live somewhere decent but you gotta respect him. Let him be.


You gotta be a LITTLE more selective with who you respect This guy doesn't deserve any. If he makes $40,000 and pays $12,000 in child support, that leaves him with $28,000. He could easily rent a basement for $500/mo, which would only cost him $6,000/yr and still leave him with $22,000. Of that, he could easily save $10,000 and in those 7 years, he coulda had $70,000 saved up for a downpayment on a small franchise or something. But instead he's getting evicted from a shack by the highway NO respect!


Posted by MaxTO on Sep-23-2004 13:47:

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You gotta be a LITTLE more selective with who you respect This guy doesn't deserve any. If he makes $40,000 and pays $12,000 in child support, that leaves him with $28,000. He could easily rent a basement for $500/mo, which would only cost him $6,000/yr and still leave him with $22,000. Of that, he could easily save $10,000 and in those 7 years, he coulda had $70,000 saved up for a downpayment on a small franchise or something. But instead he's getting evicted from a shack by the highway NO respect!


That $40,000 we're talking about, is that before or after taxes?
If it's before taxes, then it's not THAT much money, especially when you got children to support.


Posted by harcourt on Sep-23-2004 13:51:

quote:
Originally posted by d!abolic
You gotta be a LITTLE more selective with who you respect This guy doesn't deserve any. If he makes $40,000 and pays $12,000 in child support, that leaves him with $28,000. He could easily rent a basement for $500/mo, which would only cost him $6,000/yr and still leave him with $22,000. Of that, he could easily save $10,000 and in those 7 years, he coulda had $70,000 saved up for a downpayment on a small franchise or something. But instead he's getting evicted from a shack by the highway NO respect!


Just a small correction, making $40000 does not mean you get to KEEP all $40000, there is a small thing called TAX too. Also, where is this $1200/month payment coming from, the article mention's nothing of his payment amount? His payments I'm sure are more then $1200/month for 3 children.


Posted by Crazy Serb on Sep-23-2004 14:03:

Just make sure you take your time choosing the woman you're gonna marry... otherwise, you're just gonna create yourself some problems later on. It's really simple as that. Or, just to keep things even simpler, don't marry in North America


Posted by jdjd on Sep-23-2004 14:52:

If she tries to screw you, screw her back. Here's the plan:

Tell her you'll give her nothing. She'll go nuts and take you to court with expensive lawyers to get everything you have, which she will get. She'll tell the judge she wants all your money, any future money, and while she's at it, throw in your cock and balls as well. The judge will happily give it to her.

The fun part is when you quit your job and get another job under the table. She nor the government will see one penny of your money, and she will also be broke after spending all that money on court fees.

So she goes from expecting to be living the high life on your hard-earned cash, to having nothing, HA!

(it's a joke, I would only do that if she was a REAL *itch)


Posted by rabbitjoker on Sep-23-2004 14:54:

That is why I had a vasectomy when I was 12.


Posted by Jayx1 on Sep-23-2004 14:59:

quote:
Originally posted by Skipper
a pre-nup doesn't prevent you from paying child support.
There are too many deadbeat dads out there. For every dad who you think gets punished by divorce court, there are 5 that get away paying nothing for their children.

My mum works in family court and it's stunning the stories she comes home with.


What about the dead beat moms? You know, the ones that sit at hoem and do nothing while collecting an outrageous alimony from her husband? Get a fucking job!

There should not only be limits based on your salary but a cap as well. Why should the bitch get let's say $20,000 a month just because you make a million a year? She can get by just fine on 4000 and thats being generous.

Screw this sexist system.

Again, i know of several cases on a personal level. One guy i know almost hung himself over it but instead took off to mexico. He made $100,000 a year and was reduced to living in an $800 apartment driving a 6 year old escort while the bitch sat home and collected his cheques.


Posted by jdjd on Sep-23-2004 15:03:

These laws are so old, they don't even apply today. It was alot easier for a guy to make enough money to support a family back in the 60's, you're lucky if you can do it today.

That's one of the reasons why many women are working today, the guys just don't make enough.

Funny thing is, where are the feminists demanding equality on this issue LOL


Posted by Crazy Serb on Sep-23-2004 15:06:

quote:
Originally posted by Jayx1
One guy i know almost hung himself over it but instead took off to mexico.


That's my contingency plan as well...


Posted by TrueToTheCrew on Sep-23-2004 15:10:

quote:
Originally posted by tw1tch
Just a small correction, making $40000 does not mean you get to KEEP all $40000, there is a small thing called TAX too. Also, where is this $1200/month payment coming from, the article mention's nothing of his payment amount? His payments I'm sure are more then $1200/month for 3 children.


I got the 1200 from a news cast a few weeks ago on CH.


Posted by Jayx1 on Sep-23-2004 15:11:

quote:
Originally posted by jdjd

Funny thing is, where are the feminists demanding equality on this issue LOL


The same place when it comes to "equality" on car insurance i guess

the way i see it, the fact that the word feminist exists but masculist doesn't should tell you something. Also the fact that there is no word for female chauvinism (which exists more and more) should also tell you something.

Maybe one day Canadian men will grow some balls again.


Posted by TrueToTheCrew on Sep-23-2004 15:20:

quote:
Originally posted by d!abolic
You gotta be a LITTLE more selective with who you respect This guy doesn't deserve any. If he makes $40,000 and pays $12,000 in child support, that leaves him with $28,000. He could easily rent a basement for $500/mo, which would only cost him $6,000/yr and still leave him with $22,000. Of that, he could easily save $10,000 and in those 7 years, he coulda had $70,000 saved up for a downpayment on a small franchise or something. But instead he's getting evicted from a shack by the highway NO respect!


Dude,
Its not that i dont agree with you about making something of yourself and living in a decent place but 40k doesnt do much in these days.

You gotta respect that he didnt abandon the needs of his 3 kids.
Hes a mechanic, he could easily work at a shop under the table and not worry about alimony.

You sound like a person whos had a pretty easy life and has allot of ambitions in business. Im just curious, how much real life experience do you have in starting a business, paying bills, meeting deadlines and acheiving success'. You dont laugh at people who get "evicted from a shack by the highway".


Posted by Ub3rBreaker on Sep-23-2004 15:48:

quote:
Originally posted by d!abolic
You gotta be a LITTLE more selective with who you respect This guy doesn't deserve any. If he makes $40,000 and pays $12,000 in child support, that leaves him with $28,000. He could easily rent a basement for $500/mo, which would only cost him $6,000/yr and still leave him with $22,000. Of that, he could easily save $10,000 and in those 7 years, he coulda had $70,000 saved up for a downpayment on a small franchise or something. But instead he's getting evicted from a shack by the highway NO respect!


u know who i dont give any respect too... u. Ive been reading your posts for the past year and i gotta say they r for most part selfish and cocky. Plz, think twice before u post something, but i know u wont care and will prob come up with a lil fancy response insulting me and certainly my intelligence. You dont know half of the story going on with this guy and here u r tellin us how ez it would be for him to recover. fuk


Posted by Ub3rBreaker on Sep-23-2004 15:50:

quote:
Originally posted by TrueToTheCrew
Dude,
Its not that i dont agree with you about making something of yourself and living in a decent place but 40k doesnt do much in these days.

You gotta respect that he didnt abandon the needs of his 3 kids.
Hes a mechanic, he could easily work at a shop under the table and not worry about alimony.

You sound like a person whos had a pretty easy life and has allot of ambitions in business. Im just curious, how much real life experience do you have in starting a business, paying bills, meeting deadlines and acheiving success'. You dont laugh at people who get "evicted from a shack by the highway".


yeap


Posted by trancechaos on Sep-23-2004 16:38:

a father has a big role to play im a kids life and courts have to realise that and just fuck the poor dude over


Posted by Allegory on Sep-23-2004 17:14:

It's called pre-nup.

Child support is an expense one should expect to deal with given that a couple is duly responsible for the raising of children. And theoretically should be more than happy to yield a great life for them anyway.

As for the question of alimony, I think this case is really sad. If one is obligated to pay, it should definitely not render one broke or living in a shack, or worse- homeless. In some cases the wife was an integral part in the success of the man's economical prosperity( a family business, or company, yada yada) and severe unfairness on the part of the husband has ensued; in that case I believe the wife should be compensated for her years of effort, work, and commitment. there are times when a business or corporation is registered only in the husband's name.

The other case is when a wife has suffered much abuse, and has been forced to be a housewife. It does happen, not to me but I've known people close to me that have suffered greatly in marriages that lasted way too long.

In this case, I agree that it seems very sad on a surface level. But bare in mind not to generalize as a whole because there are always two sides to every story, and we may dig a little deeper to find that he may be partially responsible for his misfortune, and not letting us know of that.

Or he may be wrongly targetted.


Posted by Carney on Sep-23-2004 18:17:

for one man to get screwed over is nothing for the amount of woman who have.
Dont forget he still has kids to look after...
Plus did he make an effort to get any of his payments change?


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