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Posted by starsearcher on Dec-09-2004 16:34:

Gay marriage officially legal in Canada!

Good stuff!

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Canadian Court Approves Same-Sex Marriage

1 hour, 20 minutes ago

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By BETH DUFF-BROWN, Associated Press Writer

TORONTO - Canada's highest court said Thursday the government can redefine marriage to include same-sex couples, but it added that religious officials cannot be forced to perform unions against their beliefs.

The ruling by the court in Ottawa brings to the final stages a long, bitter fight over whether gays and lesbians should be allowed to marry in Canada.

Judges in six provinces and one territory have already overturned the traditional definition, allowing thousands of same-sex weddings.

Canada would join Belgium and the Netherlands in allowing gay marriage if the government acts to make it legal nationwide. To pass in the House of Commons, the legislation needs the approval of about 44 of the 95 Liberal backbench members of Parliament to obtain a 155-vote majority.

One top Liberal predicted the legislation should pass easily after its introduction, likely early next year. It already has the support of the 38-member Liberal cabinet and virtually all the 54 Bloc Quebecois and 19 New Democrat MPs.

Source: http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tm..._sex_marriage_1

Posted by Sexyboy79 on Dec-09-2004 16:57:

Hahaha this will be the fall of your goverment. Jesus will come back you siners. LOL.

Kidding i am a athiest but the right wingers of here in america are crazy like that...

Sexyboy

Posted by j_spot on Dec-09-2004 17:02:

right wingers like dubya

Im glad Canada has taken this step. Not only for people who wish to marry, but now they can recieve health care benefits from spouses and other related things.

yay canada.
now if only we woudl decriminalized weed.

Posted by Durafei on Dec-09-2004 17:10:

As long as the majority of gay couples will adopt and raise kids, I support this.

Posted by baystreetboi on Dec-09-2004 17:13:

Actually, it's not "officially legal" yet. All the Supreme Court has stated is that if the Federal Government were to pass a law to this effect, it would be constitutional. The legislation still has to be introduced and passed by the House of Commons.

Posted by starsearcher on Dec-09-2004 17:17:

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Originally posted by baystreetboi
Actually, it's not "officially legal" yet. All the Supreme Court has stated is that if the Federal Government were to pass a law to this effect, it would be constitutional. The legislation still has to be introduced and passed by the House of Commons.

Yes you are correct...but that's pretty much a done deal
Just a matter of time, although I guess I did name it wrong

Posted by baystreetboi on Dec-09-2004 17:27:

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Originally posted by starsearcher
Yes you are correct...but that's pretty much a done deal
Just a matter of time, although I guess I did name it wrong

There's going to be some interesting fall out from this though, particularly with some cabinet ministers. For example, the MP from my home town of Thunder Bay (Joe Commuzzi) is a junior cabinet minister that is strongly opposed to same sex marriage. Parliamentary tradition however, suggests that all cabinet members must collectively support any legislation that the government puts forward, and if they are not comfortable doing so, they must resign. Given the current minority government, I highly doubt Martin will allow some of his cabinet ministers to abstain from voting, so in this case, Mr. Commuzzi will either have to support the bill or have little choice but to resign from cabinet. Apparently there are a few others in cabinet in a similar position.

Posted by rabbitjoker on Dec-09-2004 17:30:

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Originally posted by Durafei
As long as the majority of gay couples will adopt and raise kids, I support this.

Who cares if they raise kids?

Raising kids is not a requirement for a healthy relationship...

Posted by rabbitjoker on Dec-09-2004 17:32:

It is great to live in a country that respects personal choice and freedom and chooses to be inclusive in respect to such.

Posted by drgoodvibe on Dec-09-2004 17:45:

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Originally posted by rabbitjoker
It is great to live in a country that respects personal choice and freedom and chooses to be inclusive in respect to such.

Posted by Cyrus King on Dec-09-2004 17:58:

I hear Diginut weeping right now

Posted by nycionx on Dec-09-2004 17:58:

Re: Gay marriage officially legal in Canada!

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Originally posted by starsearcher
Good stuff!

omg

this shit is so fuken abnormal

Posted by baystreetboi on Dec-09-2004 18:09:

Re: Re: Gay marriage officially legal in Canada!

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Originally posted by nycionx
omg

this shit is so fuken abnormal

Abnormal in your mind perhaps... is it abnormal for those who are gay to want to more formally express their love for a partner though?

It seems a number of people are up in arms over the "traditional" definition of marriage being altered and that is somehow infringing on rights of straight couples who are married.

Personally, I think this can all be resolved quite easily. I don't support the idea of a "separate but equal" classification of civil unions for gay couples. Rather, I think the government should abandon the term altogether. If various religions want to maintain their definition of marriage, fine. But going forward, ANY couple, whether straight or gay should be able to be "married" (using whatever new term you want to describe it as) under the eyes of the law / government. Leave the term "marriage" to individual religions or churches to define as they see fit.

Posted by Skipper on Dec-09-2004 18:09:

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Originally posted by Durafei
As long as the majority of gay couples will adopt and raise kids, I support this.

explain please?

Posted by dEsidEL on Dec-09-2004 18:26:

Re: Re: Re: Gay marriage officially legal in Canada!

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Originally posted by baystreetboi

Personally, I think this can all be resolved quite easily. I don't support the idea of a "separate but equal" classification of civil unions for gay couples. Rather, I think the government should abandon the term altogether. If various religions want to maintain their definition of marriage, fine. But going forward, ANY couple, whether straight or gay should be able to be "married" (using whatever new term you want to describe it as) under the eyes of the law / government. Leave the term "marriage" to individual religions or churches to define as they see fit.

i agree.. it's that word 'marriage' that seems to bother people..

i also noticed that it's predominantly sects within the Christian faith that choose to 'marry' gay couples. you don't seem to hear about gay marriage in Judaism, Hinduism, Bhudaism, Islam, etc.. i wonder what effect this will hav on the overall Christian church in Canada..

Posted by rabbitjoker on Dec-09-2004 18:34:

You're grouping the christian churches together - which shouldn't be done.

Posted by Durafei on Dec-09-2004 19:40:

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Originally posted by Skipper
explain please?

There are certain financial benefits to getting married. And those benefits "encourage" couples to have kids. Now, if everyone suddenly starts getting married without possibility of raising kids... then shouldn't those benefits be used for some other purposes?

Posted by Durafei on Dec-09-2004 19:47:

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Originally posted by rabbitjoker
Who cares if they raise kids?

The humanity ?? Raising kids is important for the survival of the human race

There are certain financial benefits to getting married. Those benefits probably encourage couples to have kids. And, as far as I know, most couples do in fact have kids, so those benefits are generally put to good use(namely - kid's education, etc)

Hence, IMHO, it would only be fair for everyone if when a gay couple gets married, it is expected that they would adopt and raise a child.

Posted by baystreetboi on Dec-09-2004 19:52:

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Originally posted by Durafei

Hence, IMHO, it would only be fair for everyone if when a gay couple gets married, it is expected that they would adopt and raise a child.

On the contrary, it would only be fair for those that actually HAVE children to get the financial benefits that accompany doing so.

Why should couples who get married and DON'T have kids be entitled to the benefits?

Posted by trancechaos on Dec-09-2004 20:01:

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Originally posted by Durafei
As long as the majority of gay couples will adopt and raise kids, I support this.

two mommies or two daddies, poor kid, he'll be confused the first few years of his life....oh well...

Posted by trancechaos on Dec-09-2004 20:01:

Posted by Funkyfun on Dec-09-2004 20:05:

Its not legal just yet...still has to go through Federal and Provincial approval which will prolly take a while...

Posted by Xavier Moriarty on Dec-09-2004 20:41:

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Originally posted by trancechaos
two mommies or two daddies, poor kid, he'll be confused the first few years of his life....oh well...

first few years????

Posted by Jayx1 on Dec-09-2004 20:45:

Im happy and all but itsnt it wierd how we are supposedly a "liberal" country yet the common guy cant even enjoy a beer in most public areas for example? (among many others)

For a Liberal country we sure are conservative.

Posted by Endlesswave on Dec-09-2004 20:48:

True but with first steps like this one and maybe the decriminalization of marijuana it will lead to that...

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