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ASOT vs The Elites - Round II
As everyone but Cobalt :P can notice, many threads continue turn into flame wars. People obviously don't want to discuss the topics of the thread, instead they want to use these threads as a battleground.
The purpose of this thread is to try and fix that issue cause it's getting to be pretty obnoxious at this point.
DEFINE THE WAR:
Left: People who enjoy the CURRENT sound offered by the likes of Armin, Tiesto and Markus.
Right: People who enjoy the CURRENT sound offered by the likes of Sasha, Digiweed etc.
COMPLETELY FUCKING OBVIOUS OBSERVATION:
I give the following 2 cds to my UNBIASED tone deaf friend... Universal Religion 2004 and Involver. My UNBIASED tone deaf friend says "umm these are obviously two different genres/styles what do they have to do with one another? what do they have to do with one another? what do they have to do with one another?"... the answer NOTHING, absolutely NOTHING... but they are both discussed in one location.
End of story.
I'll spell it out for you. Its completely NATURAL for people to like different genres. Its completely NATURAL for people in one genre to not like another.
When you don't like a Genre you shut up about it. Yes I know this horrifies people like Cobalt :P who think that because they "used" to like a genre that they are allowed to comment on it. But you miss the point. You no longer like that genre.
Here i'll translate the argument to movies... (not to say I agree with the logic used)
Horror movies have low production values. Dramas have high production values.
ORY: Horror movies suck, you suck for liking them, only dramas are worth watching, when you get better taste in movies you will only like Dramas like me.
WTF? They are different GENRES. It's not about my tastes moving from Horror to Drama. Horror movies REGARDLESS of their production values service a completely different audience.
AGAIN listen to Universal Religion and Involver. COMPLETELY FUCKING different audiences.
ORY: Where is the subtle character development in The Ring? I just watched Gosford Park, and the acting was amazingly nuanced.
WTF? They are different GENRES. It's not about my tastes moving from Horror to Drama. Horror movies REGARDLESS of their production values service a completely different audience.
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I'll translate it to HardTrance. Imagine that 75% of the members of TA liked Hardtrance tracks, and HardTrance DJs.
I listen to a set from HardTrance Master Armin. Track 1: feels like a hammer on my head. Track 2: Now it feels like a Jackhammer. Track 3: My ears are bleeding. Track 4: i've died from a brain aneurism.
Obviously... regardless of anything else, Hardtrance is a genre I do not appreciate. Does it make sense for me to write 10 posts a day where I say variations on "Hardtrance sucks"? And every single thread I write "this music sucks" in turns into a flame war because people start arguing back and forth?
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Back to my original point. Imagine this website was devoted to discussing Horror Movies and Dramas. How MORONIC would it be if the drama people dished abuse in every horror thread? You know intellectually that that makes no sense at all.
Horror (ARMIN) fans discuss horror amongst themselves. Drama (Sasha) fans discuss Drama amongst themselves. It is logical for different genres to discuss their music with OTHER members who like that genre.
Two major genres exists in these Forums. Some like one, some like the other (and the winners like me like both 
), is coexistence really that hard to contemplate? Can you accept that some people APPRECIATE the sound that Markus plays without fearing it?
yeah, Ste's right - shut up...
if they are different genres (as your 'thesis' says) then shut up about comparisons. you are only instigating a flame war. if that flame war involves me, cause i told you to shut up - which you should - thats fine. id rather piss away the 5 mins rather than let you fuck up the Music Discussion more than it already has been|
Re: ASOT vs The Elites - Round II
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| Originally posted by Subey |
What is the point of trying to debate a hypothetical war, really, it sounds like a waste of time to me.
four to the floor i was sure , you would be my girl
xylophone buggery
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| Originally posted by Ste |
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| Originally posted by USMC_Greg nb4dalock |
Subey you have to realize some members at TA have their heads so far up their own asses that they don't realize that people have different tastes and that their own isn't necessarily better than another persons. They seem to not grasp the point of music...
Oh well...
I find it funny how you compare Armin to Horror 
Who gives a crap, who likes what?
I mean if you like Armin, then enjoy it, if you like Sasha then enjoy it. Just don't email me saying something is the best thing since sliced bread. It is funny because tranceaddict.com ain't exactly trance anymore because so many of us have started to listen to other things. I listen to so much variety in the EDM circle that I don't even have a definition of what I like anymore. If it is good, I'll give it a listen.
totally agree, but hey i dont give a fuck what others like... In contrast with most of the tranceaddicts who are wannabe's
but life always has the wannabes and that won't change. I have a g.f and a full time job, so I honestly don't give as much about music as I used to because life is full of other things.
Andy change that crappy custom status. You're whipped and it's been like 2 months!
What was the point of starting this thread again?
Let the flames errr games begin.
yeah, I liked your analogies, sasha/drama is pretty funny
if happy hardcore were a movie genre what would it be?
Re: ASOT vs The Elites - Round II
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| Originally posted by Subey DEFINE THE WAR: Left: People who enjoy the CURRENT sound offered by the likes of Armin, Tiesto and Markus. Right: People who enjoy the CURRENT sound offered by the likes of Sasha, Digiweed etc. |
the elitists are real life losers and i absolutely love that fact
they know who they are...
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| Originally posted by torontotrance but life always has the wannabes and that won't change. I have a g.f and a full time job, so I honestly don't give as much about music as I used to because life is full of other things. |
actually i'm neutral
deep/funky house (lawnchair generals)
drum n bass
that's what describes my tastes at the moment
and who cares anyway... listen to what you want
I don't hate any style of music, but some of them are just not my cup o tea... Every genre has at least 1 likable track anyway...
This is almost *ALMOST* as pointless as the current Tiesto thread.
Re: ASOT vs The Elites - Round II
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| Originally posted by Subey As everyone but Cobalt :P can notice, many threads continue turn into flame wars. People obviously don't want to discuss the topics of the thread, instead they want to use these threads as a battleground. The purpose of this thread is to try and fix that issue cause it's getting to be pretty obnoxious at this point. DEFINE THE WAR: Left: People who enjoy the CURRENT sound offered by the likes of Armin, Tiesto and Markus. Right: People who enjoy the CURRENT sound offered by the likes of Sasha, Digiweed etc. COMPLETELY FUCKING OBVIOUS OBSERVATION: I give the following 2 cds to my UNBIASED tone deaf friend... Universal Religion 2004 and Involver. My UNBIASED tone deaf friend says "umm these are obviously two different genres/styles what do they have to do with one another? what do they have to do with one another? what do they have to do with one another?"... the answer NOTHING, absolutely NOTHING... but they are both discussed in one location. End of story. I'll spell it out for you. Its completely NATURAL for people to like different genres. Its completely NATURAL for people in one genre to not like another. When you don't like a Genre you shut up about it. Yes I know this horrifies people like Cobalt :P who think that because they "used" to like a genre that they are allowed to comment on it. But you miss the point. You no longer like that genre. Here i'll translate the argument to movies... (not to say I agree with the logic used) Horror movies have low production values. Dramas have high production values. ORY: Horror movies suck, you suck for liking them, only dramas are worth watching, when you get better taste in movies you will only like Dramas like me. WTF? They are different GENRES. It's not about my tastes moving from Horror to Drama. Horror movies REGARDLESS of their production values service a completely different audience. AGAIN listen to Universal Religion and Involver. COMPLETELY FUCKING different audiences. ORY: Where is the subtle character development in The Ring? I just watched Gosford Park, and the acting was amazingly nuanced. WTF? They are different GENRES. It's not about my tastes moving from Horror to Drama. Horror movies REGARDLESS of their production values service a completely different audience. **** I'll translate it to HardTrance. Imagine that 75% of the members of TA liked Hardtrance tracks, and HardTrance DJs. I listen to a set from HardTrance Master Armin. Track 1: feels like a hammer on my head. Track 2: Now it feels like a Jackhammer. Track 3: My ears are bleeding. Track 4: i've died from a brain aneurism. Obviously... regardless of anything else, Hardtrance is a genre I do not appreciate. Does it make sense for me to write 10 posts a day where I say variations on "Hardtrance sucks"? And every single thread I write "this music sucks" in turns into a flame war because people start arguing back and forth? **** Back to my original point. Imagine this website was devoted to discussing Horror Movies and Dramas. How MORONIC would it be if the drama people dished abuse in every horror thread? You know intellectually that that makes no sense at all. Horror (ARMIN) fans discuss horror amongst themselves. Drama (Sasha) fans discuss Drama amongst themselves. It is logical for different genres to discuss their music with OTHER members who like that genre. Two major genres exists in these Forums. Some like one, some like the other (and the winners like me like both ), is coexistence really that hard to contemplate? Can you accept that some people APPRECIATE the sound that Markus plays without fearing it? |
Re: ASOT vs The Elites - Round II
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| Originally posted by Subey When you don't like a Genre you shut up about it. Yes I know this horrifies people like Cobalt :P who think that because they "used" to like a genre that they are allowed to comment on it. But you miss the point. You no longer like that genre. |
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| Originally posted by E|ektrA the elitists are real life losers and i absolutely love that fact they know who they are... |
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| Originally posted by Cobalt Since when did not liking uncreative but popular pieces of Dutch epic tripe, a single subgenre out of dozens, mean I no longer like trance? Need I make this any clearer: I adore trance. That exactly why I am sometimes so vocal about the rising elements that I see suffocating its artistic progress. |
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