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The REturn of the USSR?

This thread might be a little late or not. But i have been thinking that most ppl in the former soviet union miss the way things were. Especially the Russians because their now poor and weak. So a few things came to mind anout Russia mostly. Putin has been seizing control of corporations and tv channels. Actually now i think all TV channels are owned by the Government. SO it kinda passed my mind with all what Putin has done does he plan on returning Russia to a new USSR state? I remember watching BBC once and Putin said he rules like a Tsar and a dictator. Than Moldavia and Beloruss are runned by Communist Governments. Another thing is that Putin has been trying to rebuild his military might by building a new nuke that no other country has. He has also been trying to get china to buy more weopons from his country and the army has been going through reorganisation. He has to really work on the army for russia to be taken seriously i mean come on they cant even beat terroists and they cant even protect their own borders. Well anyways what do you see russias role in the future? Are they going to be more like the USSR?

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Originally posted by x-filer they cant even beat terroists and they cant even protect their own borders

Can you name a country that can?

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Originally posted by George Smiley Can you name a country that can?

well what i really meant is that Beslan school tragedy couldve been stopped. But due to corruption the terroists succeded and all what the russians could do was cry

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Originally posted by x-filer well what i really meant is that Beslan school tragedy couldve been stopped. But due to corruption the terroists succeded and all what the russians could do was cry

Yeah, well, you could pretty much say the same thing about 9-11.

Anyway, it's really not likely that another USSR-like state will form in the near future. The new little dictators aren't really very willing to givi in their power back to Moscow. The only thing Putin could do is to try and topple every single one of those regimes individually and then install a new pro-russian government. Such a course of action is really not very likely considering how Russia first has to stabilize itself before it starts thinking about regaining lost territories.

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Originally posted by x-filer Especially the Russians because their now poor and weak.

they werent any stronger or richer back under communism thats for sure. memories of people standing in line in the morning for hours with a coupon for bread and milk will surely not bring up any sense of prosperity. most russians who enjoyed the "equal" treatment during communism will never want to go back.

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Originally posted by Goashem they werent any stronger or richer back under communism thats for sure. memories of people standing in line in the morning for hours with a coupon for bread and milk will surely not bring up any sense of prosperity. most russians who enjoyed the "equal" treatment during communism will never want to go back.

Yeah and the Soviet Army couldnt even beat Finland's resistance at or near the height of the USSRs power|

I don't see USSR comming back anytime soon. What you may see is a smaller and not international version of it being re-established within the borders of the Russian Federation.

Sadly, people did not have enough time to get used to democracy in russia. And too many people remember the more-or-less comfortable living they had in the USSR days. Sure you had to wait in line to get food, sure you had no freedom but you didn't have to worry about being robbed by bunch of armed thugs in a broad day light, you didn't have to worry about not being able to pay your rent, coz' your employer just paid you in your own products - matches!

Just look at the retired folks who went on strike against the reforms - these people don't even have enough government pension to pay for a monthly bus pass! Forget rent, food, etc. It's not like these people are enterprising youths or have savings and employer pension plans. Their former employer was USSR.

If anything, I see the beginning of another revolution in the making. Russian people are beginning to realize what they are giving up in return for a false sense of security that doesn't exist. The opposition movement is stirring up and I think we may see another revolution in not to distant future. Too many people still remember how bad it was when Brezhnev, Andropov, and even Stalin were in power.

Sometimes I really wonder if people on this forum just make things up off the top of their head...

I agree with the origonal poster. Putin is using fear to tighten his grip and the people love it, and he's letting the big business men do whatever they like so long as they support him. And fucking them up big style when they don't. He controls the media, big business everything.

I rember recently he took control of local elections (think I'm right about the area where this happened) so that instead of "expensive" and "wasteful" elections he'd deside who was "elected". Thouse quotes are from an old lady getting interviewed by the way.

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Originally posted by George Smiley Sometimes I really wonder if people on this forum just make things up off the top of their head...

Has to be quote of the day...ROFL..nice one

Пролетарии всех стран, соединяйтесь!

Seriously now, stop that already. Every week both USSR and acid techno are supposed to come back. But nothing changes, nothing! Maybe that's because there's too much expectation that spoils the surprise factor.

Electro was forgotten, then came back from the ashes.
Bush was forgotten, then his son came back from the ashes.

Please forget acid techno, USSR and Bush. Then one day, Chris Liberator will become the world's #1 DJ fighting capitalist pigs and the president of the United States will be this really fit girl with a twin sister.

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Originally posted by Lira Пролетарии всех стран, соединяйтесь! Seriously now, stop that already. Every week both USSR and acid techno are supposed to come back. But nothing changes, nothing! Maybe that's because there's too much expectation that spoils the surprise factor. Electro was forgotten, then came back from the ashes. Bush was forgotten, then his son came back from the ashes. Please forget acid techno, USSR and Bush. Then one day, Chris Liberator will become the world's #1 DJ fighting capitalist pigs and the president of the United States will be this really fit girl with a twin sister.

well the quote of the day award was probably premature on my behalf..

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Originally posted by x-filer This thread might be a little late or not. But i have been thinking that most ppl in the former soviet union miss the way things were. Especially the Russians because their now poor and weak. So a few things came to mind anout Russia mostly. Putin has been seizing control of corporations and tv channels. Actually now i think all TV channels are owned by the Government. SO it kinda passed my mind with all what Putin has done does he plan on returning Russia to a new USSR state? I remember watching BBC once and Putin said he rules like a Tsar and a dictator. Than Moldavia and Beloruss are runned by Communist Governments. Another thing is that Putin has been trying to rebuild his military might by building a new nuke that no other country has. He has also been trying to get china to buy more weopons from his country and the army has been going through reorganisation. He has to really work on the army for russia to be taken seriously i mean come on they cant even beat terroists and they cant even protect their own borders. Well anyways what do you see russias role in the future? Are they going to be more like the USSR?

russia has always been poor, what are u talking about?? under communism, everything was run by the government. u got a low income, and the quality of products u could buy was very low, because there was no competition between companies. now, under authoritative democracy as i call it, many things have improved, there is competition now, and freedom of speech except for some parts which forbid the use of curse words.

As for the militaries of all the world, which most times is not needed. all the militaries are building. for what? it is for the end of the world. crazy as i may sound, its prophesied. all the militaries of the world are building and building, countries are researching nucleur weapons, and building still more. eventually, the steam must blow. and it will.

6You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come. 7Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be famines and earthquakes in various [various meaning in more than one] places. 8All these are the beginning of birth pains.

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Originally posted by ::TranceVanDyk:: russia has always been poor, what are u talking about?? under communism, everything was run by the government. u got a low income, and the quality of products u could buy was very low, because there was no competition between companies. now, under authoritative democracy as i call it, many things have improved, there is competition now, and freedom of speech except for some parts which forbid the use of curse words. As for the militaries of all the world, which most times is not needed. all the militaries are building. for what? it is for the end of the world. crazy as i may sound, its prophesied. all the militaries of the world are building and building, countries are researching nucleur weapons, and building still more. eventually, the steam must blow. and it will. 6You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come. 7Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be famines and earthquakes in various [various meaning in more than one] places. 8All these are the beginning of birth pains.

And what else does Matthew have to say on the current political climate in the Russian Federation?

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Originally posted by George Smiley And what else does Matthew have to say on the current political climate in the Russian Federation?

Judging from your avatar...are you a commie lover?

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Originally posted by Fir3start3r Judging from your avatar...are you a commie lover?

Are you?

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Originally posted by George Smiley And what else does Matthew have to say on the current political climate in the Russian Federation?

really, mathew describes the political climate of the entire world, russia included. i sense some sarcacism, do u not agree with what is said in this passage?

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Originally posted by George Smiley Are you?

LoL!
Just like a Liberal to change the subject and not answer the question...
but then...you did answer it...

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Originally posted by Lira Пролетарии всех стран, соединяйтесь! Seriously now, stop that already. Every week both USSR and acid techno are supposed to come back. But nothing changes, nothing! Maybe that's because there's too much expectation that spoils the surprise factor. Electro was forgotten, then came back from the ashes. Bush was forgotten, then his son came back from the ashes. Please forget acid techno, USSR and Bush. Then one day, Chris Liberator will become the world's #1 DJ fighting capitalist pigs and the president of the United States will be this really fit girl with a twin sister.

Maaz, with all your Russian skillz, I'm surprised you haven't been recruited by the "Los Federales" or whatever the secret agency your country has.

BTW, S proshedshim dnem rozhdeniya. Certain circumstances prevented me from congratulating you with all due sincerity and on time.

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Originally posted by Fir3start3r LoL! Just like a Liberal to change the subject and not answer the question... but then...you did answer it...

Er no...dont think I did answer it...

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Originally posted by ::TranceVanDyk:: really, mathew describes the political climate of the entire world, russia included. i sense some sarcacism, do u not agree with what is said in this passage?

Hmmm...saying wars will happen aint all that a difficult conclusion to come to...the rest of what he said in that passage remains, however, bullshit...

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Originally posted by George Smiley Hmmm...saying wars will happen aint all that a difficult conclusion to come to...the rest of what he said in that passage remains, however, bullshit...

hmm, i guess we dont hear of conflict every single day in the news, there arent more frequent earthquakes happening, and natural disasters, ehh, no famines going on in africa.

a little interesting thing about the earthquakes going on.

worldwide. the last 4 years, there have been about 8,000 more earthquakes in 2004 than in 2000, and every year in between, a steady growth. there were 4,000 more earthquakes in 1999 than in 1990. there were 13,562 more earthquakes in 2004 than in 1990im not saying this is a fulfillment of a prophecy, but there is the possibility. .http://neic.usgs.gov/neis/eqlists/eqstats.html

where and when do u think all these nucleur weapons everyone's developing and stockpiling are going to be used and how. world events are building up to the climax.

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Originally posted by ::TranceVanDyk:: hmm, i guess we dont hear of conflict every single day in the news, there arent more frequent earthquakes happening, and natural disasters, ehh, no famines going on in africa. a little interesting thing about the earthquakes going on. worldwide. the last 4 years, there have been about 8,000 more earthquakes in 2004 than in 2000, and every year in between, a steady growth. there were 4,000 more earthquakes in 1999 than in 1990. there were 13,562 more earthquakes in 2004 than in 1990im not saying this is a fulfillment of a prophecy, but there is the possibility. .http://neic.usgs.gov/neis/eqlists/eqstats.html where and when do u think all these nucleur weapons everyone's developing and stockpiling are going to be used and how. world events are building up to the climax.

You know, you should seriously consider reading some books, journal articles, etc, instead of basing your world views on the Rapture Index (http://www.raptureready.com/rap2.html )!!!!!

Your telling me that the guy in the Bible, Mark, is talking about the modern world? And all of a sudden he's an expert geologist too to boot?!

About nuclear weapons "everyone" is stockpiling...when do I think they will be used and where? The question you should ask is who will use them and who against...and I can't see many takers

India and Pakistan both have nukes, both hate each other. Both have refrained from using nukes on each other despite wars faught between them. The US' missile defence will cause China to increase it's nukes (which is funny as the missile defence does not work and will not for the forseeable future despite the MDA claiming they can protect against ballistic missiles!) which in turn will decrease American security and threaten India (which I believe is where China's missiles are aimed) - maybe there is a source of nuclear conflict?? Who else? Israel, Iran or North Korea? Probably out of those Israel is the most likely to use them, they dont care much for their neighbours (not that its neighbours care much for Israel either) and any future conflict in the Middle East may see Israel use nukes. North Korea cannot reach the US with nukes, so if America attacked Pyongyang, then it would be South Korea and Japan that would face the threat of North Korean nukes. As for Iran, they dont have nukes, will probably be forced to give their nuclear program up, and even if they did have nukes, could threaten only Israel (not America)

So in summary...

India vs Pakistan
China vs India
Israel vs Iran
North Korea vs South Korea / Japan
USA vs France

Of course, that last one is my little joke, but I would say the US is most likely to use some kind of nuclear weapon out of everyone.

But I forgot to mention a little something regarding nuclear weapon theory - mutually assured destruction (heard of that?)

None of the "possible" nuclear conflicts above will ever occur do to MAD. India and Pakistan would wipe each other out (altho not sure how good each others early wearning system is), same really with India/China (altho China would wipe more of India out, tho India could inflict enuf damage on China for them not to be so stupid enuf to try it). I would say Israel has no intention of going to war with its neighbours, so would only use its nuclear weapons if attacked. As for that - WHO IN THEIR RIGHT FUCKING MIND WOULD ATTACK ISRAEL?!?!?!?!?! So that negates the possibility of Iran attacking Israel (assured destruction for anyone that attacks Israel). North Korea has nukes for bargaining power. It has said it would fire nukes at America if America attacked (in fact China hinted at something similar if the US intervened in a Sino-Taiwan conflict) but one, America would have to attack North Korea to force a retaliation (which is possible) and also, bearing in mind North Korea has no ability (and any near future capability will not have a high survivability) to attack US, and they attack the South instead, North Korea presses its own self destruct button...

The ONLY time nukes have every been used is when MAD was not applicable, can you give me any example of where a state would ever use nukes and be totally immune from MAD?

The only example I can think of is terrorists, yet you cant fit a ballistic missile on your shoulder to launch it out of a bazooka can you?!

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Originally posted by George Smiley WHO IN THEIR RIGHT FUCKING MIND WOULD ATTACK ISRAEL?!?!?!?!?!

Don't tempt me like that...

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Originally posted by Dj Tomer Don't tempt me like that...

Go on! Name someone!

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