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Posted by Sunquest on Jan-25-2005 19:25:

Unhappy Is trance dying?

Does anyone else think melodic trance is dying?
I'm hooked in the trance scene for years now and i gotta say, its slowly dying
first of all, theres too much prog i think, and more and more coming out by the day, and no more melodic emotional trance? what happened? and dont tell me "it's gotten old and cheesy"
if i put on a track for you, say Rank 1 - Airwave for example, you wont go "o that sucks, that style is old and shitty"
garunteed ull love it! atleast i know i always will
anyways, where are all the melodic trance producers gone to? dont let the trance die so soon, we only been alive for 10 years or so, its too soon ....

what to do?


Posted by UWM on Jan-25-2005 19:28:

I've never seen one of these threads before on tranceaddict.com!


Posted by Sunquest on Jan-25-2005 19:30:

should i congradulate myself or something?
maybe no one has the guts to admit it


Posted by Miss Bliss on Jan-25-2005 19:32:

rofl


Posted by Clovis on Jan-25-2005 19:33:

Why dont you make some new melodic tracks


Posted by goonerjack on Jan-25-2005 19:36:

I have to agree with you, and to be honest I couldn't really care less that there's been threads like this before...

Currently I'm listening to Armin van Buuren 7 Hour Set at Club Eau - that was only about 2 and a half years ago, but you can tell that it's still miles better than anything done more recently.

Not to say that there aren't good tracks anymore, or that the quality of DJing has dropped, but just that I don't enjoy the newer stuff. With the older sets you can start dreaming and lose yourself in the melodic trance, but unfortunately I don't get that feeling anymore. I guess all types of music just has to move on, and I think the golden years for trance (late 90's, early 00's) have been and gone!


Posted by Massive84 on Jan-25-2005 19:37:

Ron.

First your on COR, here is where you talk about how cool you are if your drunk. Or what to do if 3 girls are hitting on you. Or even put a picture of your self here, asking people if you are beautiful and even explaining that you have a disease and thats why your overweight, but the same picture contains a big fat pizza.

If anything that dies here, it is humanity.


Posted by Sunquest on Jan-25-2005 19:38:

quote:
Originally posted by Massive84
Ron.

First your on COR, here is where you talk about how cool you are if your drunk. Or what to do if 3 girls are hitting on you. Or even put a picture of your self here, asking people if you are beautiful and even explaining that you have a disease and thats why your overweight, but the same picture contains a big fat pizza.

If anything that dies here, it is humanity.


haha sorry my bad i dont have a gf yet


Posted by Billabong on Jan-25-2005 19:39:

quote:
Originally posted by UWM
I've never seen one of these threads before on tranceaddict.com!


Why do people care if its dying, evolve, run with it, darwin........................


Posted by Sunquest on Jan-25-2005 19:39:

quote:
Originally posted by goonerjack
I have to agree with you, and to be honest I couldn't really care less that there's been threads like this before...

Currently I'm listening to Armin van Buuren 7 Hour Set at Club Eau - that was only about 2 and a half years ago, but you can tell that it's still miles better than anything done more recently.

Not to say that there aren't good tracks anymore, or that the quality of DJing has dropped, but just that I don't enjoy the newer stuff. With the older sets you can start dreaming and lose yourself in the melodic trance, but unfortunately I don't get that feeling anymore. I guess all types of music just has to move on, and I think the golden years for trance (late 90's, early 00's) have been and gone!


and i must agree with you, if i listen to tracks from like 2000/2001 the latest! i start drifting off, like what a feeling! amazing, but now, its just bla, so boring, and just the other day i tried djing, and what do i realize? half my songs are prog! which means the BPM is 132! like WTF! i wanna mix trance not prog, 140 Bpm!!!


Posted by tribu on Jan-25-2005 19:41:

There are weekly 'is trance dying' threads Gingi, you know that.

Now, this isn't my idea, but one I borrowed from another is trance dying thread. Trance is rapidly going downhill because no one is doing anything new. Anyone who can crack fruity loops, reason, cubase, logic, and other software can easily make tunes that sound just like the newest ASOT release. This leads to alot of tracks that sound the same. Additionally, many of these people using cracked software have no background in music theory, so they just copy melodies, tones, and keys from existing trance songs. This leads to even less diversity. Finayll, there has been a HUGE collection of midi packages circling the next for the last 3 years. This collection continuously grows and is chock full of "classics" (aka the shit everyone liked 4-7 years ago). Since many of today's producers cant develop a melody themselves, it's way to easy to make a drum line, develop a few generic sounds and throw them over an existing song's MIDI structure.


Posted by beats and beeps on Jan-25-2005 19:44:

Yes.


Posted by Sunquest on Jan-25-2005 19:45:

quote:
Originally posted by tribu
There are weekly 'is trance dying' threads Gingi, you know that.

Now, this isn't my idea, but one I borrowed from another is trance dying thread. Trance is rapidly going downhill because no one is doing anything new. Anyone who can crack fruity loops, reason, cubase, logic, and other software can easily make tunes that sound just like the newest ASOT release. This leads to alot of tracks that sound the same. Additionally, many of these people using cracked software have no background in music theory, so they just copy melodies, tones, and keys from existing trance songs. This leads to even less diversity. Finayll, there has been a HUGE collection of midi packages circling the next for the last 3 years. This collection continuously grows and is chock full of "classics" (aka the shit everyone liked 4-7 years ago). Since many of today's producers cant develop a melody themselves, it's way to easy to make a drum line, develop a few generic sounds and throw them over an existing song's MIDI structure.


well ur talking about making new sounds... but i geuss ur right, the un educated all download the cracked version..... hehe
but still, im talking about just simple emotion, the simplest of songs, no more emotional songs are being made anymore,
for example:
sunrise at palamos (how simple is that????)
suburbain train
cosmic gate - exploration of space
rapid eye - circa forever

tunes like these, i want more!!!


Posted by tribu on Jan-25-2005 19:50:

quote:
Originally posted by Sunquest
well ur talking about making new sounds... but i geuss ur right, the un educated all download the cracked version..... hehe
but still, im talking about just simple emotion, the simplest of songs, no more emotional songs are being made anymore,
for example:
sunrise at palamos (how simple is that????)
suburbain train
cosmic gate - exploration of space
rapid eye - circa forever

tunes like these, i want more!!!


The onyl emotion trance producers are currently interested in isn't an emotion at all.

This "emotion" is called money


Posted by goonerjack on Jan-25-2005 19:57:

True that, in a way I can't wait for some of the bigger name DJs to start to lose popularity as the new DJs come along - hopefully they'll go back to playing smaller clubs where money is no longer an issue - just the music

Just my wish!


Posted by Sunquest on Jan-25-2005 19:59:

quote:
Originally posted by goonerjack
True that, in a way I can't wait for some of the bigger name DJs to start to lose popularity as the new DJs come along - hopefully they'll go back to playing smaller clubs where money is no longer an issue - just the music

Just my wish!


im talking about PRODUCERS, not djs
new djs, old djs doesnt matter, they play the tracks that are out there, it theres no good TRACKS out there, then i couldnt care less whos djing..


Posted by en2t on Jan-25-2005 20:01:

sunquest, i couldn't agree more.

The other weekend, I went out to a club here in San Francisco, called Folsom 1015. Thrillseekers was on that night and I was so excited to see him because he put on the best live set of my life just 2 years ago at an annual rave here in California. That set was amazingly melodic and emotional, and had me dancing with my hands in the air for the whole time. He played stuff like Mike Shiver - Feelings, Sonorous - Protonic, Insigma - Avalon (Midway Remix), and so on. But this time, at Folsom 1015, he dissapointed me with his set. He started out decently, playing some melodic stuff. But then he turned to dark, hard prog. What the fuck, Steve? I don't understand how you go from what you had 2 years ago to what you play now. The prog was the hard type where a harsh acid synth plays the same, 5-note sequence over and over again, and all that happens is drums develop and the synth's filter goes wild. But where did the melody - the emotion go?? I was disappointed to say the least.

More and more tracks are released on great trance labels that I listen to and just can't see what the hype is about. Just my 2 cents.

Stan.


Posted by goonerjack on Jan-25-2005 20:04:

Ah right, well to be honest I think the days of quality melodic trance are gone

Back in the late 1990s, trance was new and producers had plenty of scope to create new tracks - new ideas etc. Now however, maybe that genre of EDM has been manipulated as much as possible... and we just have to move on


Posted by Radagast on Jan-25-2005 20:11:

quote:
Originally posted by goonerjack
Back in the late 1990s, trance was new


No it wasn't you fucking moron. You shit eating piece of slime. Seriously. Get a motherfucking clue.

No offence. Hahahaa. I'm feeling giddy as a schoolgirl right now jeeves.


Posted by mezzir on Jan-25-2005 20:15:

i'd say that this 'scope to create new tracks' really didn't matter
idk if you've noticed that there are still great new tracks coming out
just once a genre's been around for a while, then you can't just join the bandwagon and sound good anyomre
then you actually have to be creative and original, which is what everyone should be doing anyways!!!


Posted by Cal on Jan-25-2005 20:18:

Re: Is trance dying?

quote:
Originally posted by Sunquest
Does anyone else think melodic trance is dying?
I'm hooked in the trance scene for years now and i gotta say, its slowly dying
first of all, theres too much prog i think, and more and more coming out by the day, and no more melodic emotional trance? what happened? and dont tell me "it's gotten old and cheesy"
if i put on a track for you, say Rank 1 - Airwave for example, you wont go "o that sucks, that style is old and shitty"
garunteed ull love it! atleast i know i always will
anyways, where are all the melodic trance producers gone to? dont let the trance die so soon, we only been alive for 10 years or so, its too soon ....

what to do?


it's gotten old and cheesy


Posted by goonerjack on Jan-25-2005 20:22:

quote:
Originally posted by Radagast
No it wasn't you fucking moron. You shit eating piece of slime. Seriously. Get a motherfucking clue.

No offence. Hahahaa. I'm feeling giddy as a schoolgirl right now jeeves.


Okay, maybe I worded that wrong, but still... do you get kicks outta taking the piss outta people on the net? Geez, get a life


Posted by Protege on Jan-25-2005 20:24:

quote:
Originally posted by Billabong
Why do people care if its dying, evolve, run with it, darwin........................


You forgot I ching


Posted by Radagast on Jan-25-2005 20:25:

quote:
Originally posted by goonerjack
Okay, maybe I worded that wrong, but still... do you get kicks outta taking the piss outta people on the net? Geez, get a life


I sure do, and I sure wish I would. Hahah. You crack me up jeeves.

Uh...for future reference, "taking the piss" out of someone has something to do with making fun of them right? I'm not "down" with this "British" hipster "slang". This guy didn't just "come" on to me did he? Really...I mean if not, this "guy" and I should get "together" some time.


Posted by Floorfiller on Jan-25-2005 20:31:

i would say something in response to this thread, but it won't be taken as constructive...so i'm not going to insult anyone and leave it alone...


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