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Posted by Jayx1 on Mar-11-2005 18:05:

The official nice guys thread

Nice guys unite!!!

Why is it that our society labels nice people as being weak? Why is it that our society labels nice people as having "alterior motives"?

It's time to let our guard down and stop pretending to be assholes and nonchalant just because that's what the opposite sex wants. Oh they say they want "nice guys" but then they end up with mustang guido!

Women in other cultures appreciate a nice guy. It's time to take back Canada!

ahahahahahah

Posted by starsearcher on Mar-11-2005 18:06:

uuummmmmmmm...i'm a nice guy...but i know when to be an asshole when i need to Not sure about taking back Canada though...lol

Either way...girls love bad boys, it's a natural fact, can't do much about that.

Posted by oldschool420 on Mar-11-2005 18:07:

True that! I'm always nice... but it never gets me anywhere hahaha... i always end up getting fucked over in the end by girls! But hey i'm gonna continue being nice... and hopefully fate will take its toll and it'll pay off... if not oh well at least i tryed right !! cheers

Posted by Jayx1 on Mar-11-2005 18:08:

quote:
Originally posted by starsearcher
uuummmmmmmm...i'm a nice guy...but i know when to be an asshole when i need to Not sure about taking back Canada though...lol

Either way...girls love bad boys, it's a natural fact, can't do much about that.

In our society you are right. But what im saying is that in most societies you dont have to play the jeckyl and hyde game.

Heres a shocker..... hold onto yourself... maybe even sit down for this one....

In most societies you are allowed to be.....

YOURSELF!!

Posted by starsearcher on Mar-11-2005 18:13:

^^^^ Actually I would have to disagree with that...in that respect all societies are the same..."nice guys finish last" (even though that's not true) wasn't really created in "our society" i think...

Posted by Jayx1 on Mar-11-2005 18:15:

quote:
Originally posted by starsearcher
^^^^ Actually I would have to disagree with that...in that respect all societies are the same..."nice guys finish last" (even though that's not true) wasn't really created in "our society" i think...

Hmmmm well where i have travelled and lived the asshole act never works out that well. Even by pulling the 4 day wait to call her act you are showing that you arent interested and she will move on. Believe me i had to change my ways quite fast whenever i travelled. I dont like the game in Canada but sadly i am forced to play it along with everyone else.

Posted by Surreal JRS on Mar-11-2005 18:17:

Posted by bARTovsky on Mar-11-2005 18:20:

Nice guys finish last.
You're running out of gas.
Your sympathy will get you left behind.
Sometimes you're at your best, when you feel the worst.
Do you feel washed up, like piss going down the drain

Pressure cooker pick my brain and tell me I'm insane.
I'm so fucking happy I could cry.
Every joke can have its truth and now the joke's on you.
I never knew you were such a funny guy.

Oh nice guys finish last, when you are the outcast.
Don't pat yourself on the back, you might break your spine.

Living on command.
You're shaking lots of hands.
Kissing up and bleeding all your trust, taking what you need.
Bite the hand that feeds.
You lose your memory and you got no shame.

Posted by TheVrk on Mar-11-2005 18:21:

Re: The official nice guys thread

quote:
Originally posted by Jayx1
Nice guys unite!!!

It's time to let our guard down and stop pretending to be assholes and nonchalant just because that's what the opposite sex wants.
Women in other cultures appreciate a nice guy.

To be honest, I couldnt possibly care less what the opposite
sex wants. I AM and ALWAYS will be myself - which naturally
is considered nice. All nice is really is that u treat
people (girls) with respect and have manners - which i PRIDE myself on.

But the bottom line is I am ME, Ivan or Vrk. I will NEVER ACT
as a "bad boy/guy" no matter what girl may like me.
Firstly I think its pathetic to be a "bad boy" - ie Eminem,
Tommy Lee etc.... Bad boys are generally REAL pathetic ppl
that are "cool" in our pathetic society.
Second, its not or never will be ME.

Posted by AwakenedAddict on Mar-11-2005 18:21:

Bahh, you can be nice and be yourself AND attract the ladies... you just can't be a pansy. Confidence is key, IMO women only love the bad boys because they take charge.

Posted by AwakenedAddict on Mar-11-2005 18:24:

Re: Re: The official nice guys thread

quote:
Originally posted by TheVrk
To be honest, I couldnt possibly care less what the opposite
sex wants. I AM and ALWAYS will be myself - which naturally
is considered nice. All nice is really is that u treat
people (girls) with respect and have manners - which i PRIDE myself on.

But the bottom line is I am ME, Ivan or Vrk. I will NEVER ACT
as a "bad boy/guy" no matter what girl may like me.
Firstly I think its pathetic to be a "bad boy" - ie Eminem,
Tommy Lee etc.... Bad boys are generally REAL pathetic ppl
that are "cool" in our pathetic society.
Second, its not or never will be ME.

word!

Posted by TheVrk on Mar-11-2005 18:25:

quote:
Originally posted by AwakenedAddict
Confidence is key, IMO women only love the bad boys because they take charge.

Its the MAIN reason, u are def right....
Confidence is EVERYTHING - SOOOOO true

Posted by Jayx1 on Mar-11-2005 18:28:

there is confidence and then there is being a prick. 2 different things. Again it seems you guys are equating being nice with weakness and confidence with being a dick.

Its so engrained in our society that people dont even realize they think this way. Trust me on this.

Posted by trancechaos on Mar-11-2005 18:30:

quote:
Originally posted by oldschool420
True that! I'm always nice... but it never gets me anywhere hahaha... i always end up getting fucked over in the end by girls! But hey i'm gonna continue being nice... and hopefully fate will take its toll and it'll pay off... if not oh well at least i tryed right !! cheers

dude you think just like me, so what if we get fucked over, that doesnt mean we have to pretend to be someone we hate to be. i enjoy being nice to people and if they accept that then great, if they see it as a point of weekness and back off then thats thier loss. i wont stop being nice just coz the rest of society is a bunch of dicks.

Posted by oldschool420 on Mar-11-2005 18:30:

quote:
Originally posted by Jayx1
there is confidence and then there is being a prick. 2 different things. Again it seems you guys are equating being nice with weakness and confidence with being a dick.

Its so engrained in our society that people dont even realize they think this way. Trust me on this.

you bring a very solid point to the table!

Posted by TheVrk on Mar-11-2005 18:30:

quote:
Originally posted by Jayx1
there is confidence and then there is being a prick. 2 different things. .

Dood, thats so true.
I am FULL of confidence but NO WHERE NEAR a prick - unless i have to.
But i have noticed a LOT of girls have ONLY dated pricks
Thank GOD my sisters arent 2 of them.....

Posted by oldschool420 on Mar-11-2005 18:33:

quote:
Originally posted by trancechaos
dude you think just like me, so what if we get fucked over, that doesnt mean we have to pretend to be someone we hate to be. i enjoy being nice to people and if they accept that then great, if they see it as a point of weekness and back off then thats thier loss. i wont stop being nice just coz the rest of society is a bunch of dicks.

Totally man... I don't want to be an asshole, I don't see how that could ever benefit me in a positive way! You just gotta be yourself... and like you said if people see that as a weakness then its their loss... they don't get to know someone who is actually kind to anyone, instead of bashing someone because they are "weak" because they are nice. I think people who are full of themselves are the weak ones. they are all living in their own little dream world and don't care about anything but themselves... i feel bad for these people... hopefully someday they will wake up from this dream world and realize there is a lot more amazing things in life than being an asshole to get your way!

Posted by Jayx1 on Mar-11-2005 18:34:

im not a prick either but i do catch myself playing the societal games of not calling right away and pretending to be not "too interested" at first.

Sadly it's the only way to survive.

Argentina and Europe were liberating for me. It was nice to be in a society where i could meet a girl at a club for example, and ask her out to champagne breakfast or something the next morning. Not to mention the sheer enthusiasm that they showed when you did nice things for them.

Posted by trancechaos on Mar-11-2005 18:41:

quote:
Originally posted by oldschool420
I think people who are full of themselves are the weak ones. they are all living in their own little dream world and don't care about anything but themselves... i feel bad for these people... hopefully someday they will wake up from this dream world and realize there is a lot more amazing things in life than being an asshole to get your way!

yup! i know the type you are talking about, i dont mean to judge anyone, but there are some people that i really hope see the light one day and realise that life is more satisfying when are nice to other people.
i just dont know how some people can do the things the do and act the way they do and not have a guilty concious. i personally feel soo much guilt if i know i have wronged someone. its fair for anyone to make another person feel bad. we all have the right to be happy and no one should be able to take the happiness away.

Posted by Jayx1 on Mar-11-2005 18:42:

people will stop being pricks when society punishes them for it.

End of story

Posted by AwakenedAddict on Mar-11-2005 18:43:

quote:
Originally posted by Jayx1
Again it seems you guys are equating being nice with weakness and confidence with being a dick.

EARTH TO JAYX1.. STOP PUTTING WORDS IN OTHER PEOPLE'S MOUTHS!

Yes, there is a difference between being confident and being a dick.
No, being nice and confident are not mutually exclusive.

Posted by oldschool420 on Mar-11-2005 18:44:

quote:
Originally posted by trancechaos
yup! i know the type you are talking about, i dont mean to judge anyone, but there are some people that i really hope see the light one day and realise that life is more satisfying when are nice to other people.
i just dont know how some people can do the things the do and act the way they do and not have a guilty concious. i personally feel soo much if i know i have wronged someone. its fair for anyone to make another person feel bad. we all have the right to be happy and no one should be able to take the happiness away.

me too man! there are definately a few people i know that i hope get a swift kick in the ass to wake up them up to reality! I don't know how some of them do it ether... If i wrong someone.. i think about it all the time and i feel so bad...so i try and avoiding doing in general! Everyone just seems so pissed off at the world lately... I wish they could just step back and enjoy the little things in life we take advantage of. we live in a beautiful country... and we are all lucky to live here... well I think i am at least! I've travelled the world, but I always love coming home to Canada... love the people here too!!!!

Posted by trancechaos on Mar-11-2005 18:46:

quote:
Originally posted by AwakenedAddict
EARTH TO JAYX1.. STOP PUTTING WORDS IN OTHER PEOPLE'S MOUTHS!

ill stand behind jay on this one and say he is not putting words in anyones mouth, he is just stating the obvious (i think). there are alot of confident nice guys, but then once people find out how nice they are they kinda see it as a weakness as jay stated before. asshole are cocky, thats a fact, and people see cockyness as confidence or some reason.

Posted by AwakenedAddict on Mar-11-2005 18:51:

quote:
Originally posted by trancechaos
ill stand behind jay on this one and say he is not putting words in anyones mouth, he is just stating the obvious (i think). there are alot of confident nice guys, but then once people find out how nice they are they kinda see it as a weakness as jay stated before. asshole are cocky, thats a fact, and people see cockyness as confidence or some reason.

I don't dispute this. However, you have missed the point of my post entirely. Please look at Jayx1's assumption which I took the liberty of quoting in my previous post.

quote:
"Again it seems you guys are equating being nice with weakness and confidence with being a dick."

Posted by Enraptured on Mar-11-2005 18:56:

I've caught myself thinking that nice guys finish last a lot too... usually after being brushed off...

But really, I think afterwards, did I really give myself a chance? Or was I wishy-washy? I agree that confidence is everything.

"Even a BAD decision is better than NO decision!" - Tony Suprano.

As for the "game"... I detest it. It's horseshit as far as I'm concerned... you can drive yourself crazy thinking, "Should I call? I don't want to look desperate... but if I don't call, will she lose interest?" Part of the problem I think is that many girls have been programmed by society not to "tip their hands"... or give away to much... it's crap. If you are interested, why hide it? Playing "hard to get" is really dumb... and it doesn't WORK!

But really, nobody should feel they have to act or treat people a certain way... but it's a hard habit to get out of.

whew... /rant.

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