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Do DJs get checked to see if their goods are bought?

Hi guys,

A couple of my mates were laptop DJs for clubs...

Although they buy their stuff (eventually), they have on numerous occassions played stuff they've got off the net, and didn't bother to actually buy it until like a month later....

I'm actully surprised they get away with it...

do clubs and events people actually check to see whether a DJ has bought their gear, or just downloaded it illegally?

I doubt they would check but it should really be down to the honesty of the dj to play only tunes they have bought themselves, especially in clubs.

They are more likely to get caught if they are playing tunes that have not been released yet than older stuff. All it would take is a dj/producer or someone in the know to realise hey this track isnt out yet, then they could face investigation and their dj career goes down the pan. What club is gonna employ djs that use illegal tracks?

There was a story about an Italian dj who got caught doing this a while back he got fined big money but was never named.

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Originally posted by Luke Cartwright I doubt they would check but it should really be down to the honesty of the dj to play only tunes they have bought themselves, especially in clubs. They are more likely to get caught if they are playing tunes that have not been released yet than older stuff. All it would take is a dj/producer or someone in the know to realise hey this track isnt out yet, then they could face investigation and their dj career goes down the pan. What club is gonna employ djs that use illegal tracks? There was a story about an Italian dj who got caught doing this a while back he got fined big money but was never named.

He got a $11.5 millions fine/penalty for that!

yes they randomly check

MCPS and the prs do random checks at venues for pirate cds.

Had two random inspections in the last 8 months personally.

Normal procedure is you get a set time to produce originals of any backups you have ( a week or so)

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Originally posted by Freak Normal procedure is you get a set time to produce originals of any backups you have ( a week or so)

What about if you have sold, swapped or even damaged the record that you originally copied the track from?

I have been transfering most of my tunes over to my computer then to cd for the last few months and intend on selling the vinyls which I rarely use or have no need for, where would I stand in this situation?

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Originally posted by Luke Cartwright What about if you have sold, swapped or even damaged the record that you originally copied the track from? I have been transfering most of my tunes over to my computer then to cd for the last few months and intend on selling the vinyls which I rarely use or have no need for, where would I stand in this situation?

My guess would be, now you don't own the record, now you don't have the right to own a copy of it.

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Originally posted by DannyO My guess would be, now you don't own the record, now you don't have the right to own a copy of it.

Gay

Thats fcuked that plan up.

if you kept a receipt you could show that. basically the onus is on you to prove that you actually did own that CD if you get caught with your preverbial pants down. if you paid with cash. tough luck. as dannyo says, you dont have the right to a copy of a product you no longer have and no longer have proof of owning.

I guess if something happens and you realy need that song that u dont have anymore, you can go and borrow it or buy it from a friend. But the simple solution is not to steal peoples work and just buy the music.

yea but the point he's trying to make is he already paid for the music...he bought the vinyl, he just doesn't own it anymore

IMO he should still be able to use the track even if he no longer owns the vinyl

but then this situation gets even more complicated if you're buying your vinyl second hand and don't have any receipts for it.

as long as you're only playing small, local clubs i don't think it will be an issue

scenario...

you get booked in Italy. you own 3000 records. you will not take these, rather your laptop and FinalScratch (or an equivalent interface). what, they will expect you to produce 3000 vinyls, and check them one by one, whilst having confiscated your laptop, when you very easily may have a gig in another country the next day?

ouch.

Yea seems kind of crappy to me...

What if I downloaded so-and-so tunes from beatport.com, then burnt them to a CD, can I be fined for that? (or does beatport keep records or something, I've never actually d/led from there).


And once I get the funds I'm gonna start transferring vinyl to computer too (though I only have like 30 vinyl ... I'm just thinking ahead :/ ).


And how exactly did they determine that the Italian DJ was using illegal files?

There would be records of things you buy from Beatport etc (just like any other ecord shop). You buy MP3s from beatport, so its no different to stuff you buy on vinyl or CD.
As for vinyls and stuff, you'll have the originals to prove you own them won't you? Obviously you won't have them there right then, but its easy for you to say "Have a look at my vinyls you fool, i own everything i have on CDR". Remember Freak (or was it Nem?) said they give you a week or so to show proof.

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Originally posted by Freak yes they randomly check MCPS and the prs do random checks at venues for pirate cds. Had two random inspections in the last 8 months personally. Normal procedure is you get a set time to produce originals of any backups you have ( a week or so)

wat if i just buy it when i've been inspected and asked to proove i own a copy ?

Why not just be honest and support the artist and buy their stuff in the first place?
Its the surest way of avoiding trouble

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What if I downloaded so-and-so tunes from beatport.com, then burnt them to a CD, can I be fined for that? (or does beatport keep records or something, I've never actually d/led from there).

if there was a monetary transaction you would have had some sort of internet receipt. it would also show up on your bank statement as a payment to the company that manages beatport finances.

as for that italian DJ. i believe he was doing alot straight from his PC and he had tens of thousands of rips (which he didnt have proof of purchase for). i dont know the specifics but i heard he was pretty blatant about it.

Ok, so If you wanted to play a new track in your set for public hearing, lets just say for example

Carl B - All Day
Interstate - I Found U

Which only was existent on CDR as its Vinyl Release was TBA

Do you have to ask permision from the Producer to play the Track/Carry It on CDR?

Isn't what they call a Promo Copy??? Hence the WhiteLabel/CDR?

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Originally posted by MikHail Ok, so If you wanted to play a new track in your set for public hearing, lets just say for example Carl B - All Day Interstate - I Found U Which only was existent on CDR as its Vinyl Release was TBA Do you have to ask permision from the Producer to play the Track/Carry It on CDR? Isn't what they call a Promo Copy??? Hence the WhiteLabel/CDR?

Good question, I' try and get in contact with the producer and ask for permission.

Is it considered illegal to even have file sharing programs on your computer? --Even if you have legitimate copies of all the songs/videos/programs/etc. ?

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Originally posted by trance85 Is it considered illegal to even have file sharing programs on your computer? --Even if you have legitimate copies of all the songs/videos/programs/etc. ?

no, the programs are legal, as long as you dont share or download any copywrited material. theoretically you can only swap personal files/pictures/etc

razzi

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Originally posted by Freak yes they randomly check MCPS and the prs do random checks at venues for pirate cds. Had two random inspections in the last 8 months personally. Normal procedure is you get a set time to produce originals of any backups you have ( a week or so)

That's the truth.
They do check and they do give you a lot of shit if you can't come up with the goods.

Cheers
Nem

I think this depends on in which country you play. Different authorities all work in their own way..

Its a very interesting situation.... Freak is totally right...

PRS do conduct random checks on DJ's to confirm material but its a very sticky situation. I personally have been visited by PRS at a venue but the difference was they just wanted to know what tracks I was playing. They didn't actually ask to see if they were paid for etc.

If you take Matt Darey as an example here... He recently gave all his vinyl away as a radio 1 competition. He has transferred all this tracks to his laptop and now DJ's from that. It would be very interesting to see what would happen should he be asked for evidence of owning the track now.

Judge Jules recently stated in an interview that he download tracks from the web illegally. He then changed the comment days later to say that he only downloaded tracks that he owned to save time on digging out the record.....

As for me, I have given tracks that I have produced out to DJ's in the past long before they came out on vinyl. This also happens to me, I have recently been given tracks from JOOF Records and a few small artists. I don't own the original and its not out on vinyl. It would be a difficult situation if asked to provide evidence on these other than getting a letter from the actual artist to state that they gave me it.

The law has to be more clearly defined on this issue I think before you can really expect to see people fined for the downloading. It certainly doesn't seem to be very clear right now as to how people stand with so many different situations arising.

Kuffdam

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Originally posted by Kuffdam I personally have been visited by PRS at a venue but the difference was they just wanted to know what tracks I was playing. They didn't actually ask to see if they were paid for etc.

There are two types of visits from the PRS/MCPS/trading standards.... you had the royalty type...where someone (usually very bored who hates the music) has to write everything down you play so the artists get royalties. No problem with these guys at all.

The other type is where they tear your record box/cd wallets apart looking for copies or CDRs.
These tend to be the evil b*stards, who will try and remove anything they see fit and give you 7 days to produce the originals.
Think of them like those flesh eating mutants from the film '28 days later' and you are somewhere near.

On certain nights i do i have had no choice but to transfer a lot of stuff from old vinyl onto cd, and have also condensed a lot of cds onto less for practical reasons.
I also have a letter in my cd wallets from my solicitor stating i have X amount of records which "for practical and damage prevention/insurance reasons have been condensed and/or backed up onto other media" and they are "not authorised under any circumstances to remove any material- however, originals can be provided within a reasonable time upon request, at my clients convienience and your expense".

The law is very ambiguous and unclear in the majority of respects, especially with digital (legal) downloading being available now.

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