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Hardstyle Reverse Bass's

How are these made? Is it a gabber style kick drum being reversed or actual bass timbres? or either?

Just looking for any advice on how to create these..

particularily bass's that sound like this......
http://www.hihouse.it/studio.htm <- put your mouse over the part where it says "kick and bass" on the lefthand side.

How do I make this sound? I'd like as much info as possible..like what type of effects to use...any help would be really appreciated!!

THX!

Trying hard to listen to the awful sound quality....that sounds like a simple offbeat bassline with some mean distortion over it.

+long attack

You've got some of those on the vengeance sample cd. I don't think I could make one of those with pro53.

very simple to make...its not a reversed kick drum...just a kick-base-kick-base type thing.

Man I love that web site...I was making some crazy hardcore tunes for a few minutes.

Any specific advice on how to create this kind of bass timbre? And also how to create the reverse ones? Obviously reversing it...But I mean what type of envelope and amp settings should I use? And what type of processing? Distortion is probably a given...But what else are producers using these days?

is this the sort'a thing your after?

right click

I know it's not great.. shitty speakers here @ work plus the fact that i'm at work and don't really want to spend 2 much time on it.. hehe.. That was done in reason.. what are you using?

I'm afraid you won't find the answer to your question here. I've been trying to find the answer to the same question for over a year and the truth is - nobody really seems to know how to achieve that sound; or if someone does, he/she just doesn't want to share the trade secret. People will tell you to use a reversed hardcore kick, use distortion, play around with envelopes, get a sampler, get a hardware synth, etc., but none of those tips will yield the result you're looking for. I think your best bet would be to either just sample that bass from another record, or contact a producer who actually knows how to create those hardstyle bass lines.

Here's a thread about the same topic from a while ago where I posted some samples of my favorite hardstyle bass sounds and two sounds I've worked on.

Hardstyle Thread

I pretty much gave up trying to find help with this particular challenge online. If you have more success, please let me know

But do try to contact some of the established hardstyle producers, maybe they'll share some of their secrets.

-REMIDI

let me see what i can work up

heres what i came up with its one of the most standard sounds used in the Hardstyle/ Hard Trance industry I know the ppl at Vegence use it, Scott Project Kai Tracid.

Hardstyle bass in 5 mins

I just revered a typical hardstyle gabber kick and took out the punchy part of the kick add some distortion reverb and played with a high pass filter and notch filter.

If you would like the sample plz feel free to pm me

http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...ject#post731432


That pretty much describes how it's done, or atleast how I know to do it. There is no reversing necessary, the reason it sounds reversed is because of the long attack, and short sustain and release. The technique can be applied to not only basses, but any synth sound to give it that reversed kind of feel. The key is getting the attack and decay just right so that the sound peaks on exactly the offbeat and drops off before the next kick. This is how the notes should be aligned on the piano roll.

K=kick
B=Bass note
b=where the bass sound will peak with the attack adjusted correctly

K---K---K---K---
B---B---B---B---
--b---b---b---b-


I'd whip a sample up right quick, but I don't have anywhere to host it. It's quite simple though once you know how to do it, it just takes a little patience. Just make sure your bass sound is real dirty. Cheers.


Edit: Nice sample Igloo. This kind of music isn't really my thing, but like always there are a lot of different ways you can come up with similar sounds.

both's right

oldschool:

reversed and distorted kickdrum



new school:

synthbass with slow attack

it's never been about attack.. thats just how it sounds. it's sidchain compression. The kick is what triggers the 'slow attack' effect. But with side chain, after the kick is finished (generaly 1/2 a beat), the bass hit's it's full vol. That gives you a more 'combined' bass + kick sound..

Igloo, while it's a nice sample I wouldn't necessarily categorize it as hardstyle. Here are some very good examples of hardstyle bass lines:

Hardstyle Bass 1
Hardstyle Bass 2
Hardstyle Bass 3
Hardstyle Bass 4
Hardstyle Bass 5
Hardstyle Bass 6

-REMIDI

quote:

Originally posted by DJREMIDI Igloo, while it's a nice sample I wouldn't necessarily categorize it as hardstyle. Here are some very good examples of hardstyle bass lines: Hardstyle Bass 1 Hardstyle Bass 2 Hardstyle Bass 3 Hardstyle Bass 4 Hardstyle Bass 5 Hardstyle Bass 6 -REMIDI

I knew there would be 1 in there.. bass2.mp3 is directly out of hennes and cold - second trip (dj scot project mix).. there is a part in the track where only the bassline has been sampled and it's been used over and over and over and over and over

quote:

Originally posted by DJREMIDI Igloo, while it's a nice sample I wouldn't necessarily categorize it as hardstyle. Here are some very good examples of hardstyle bass lines: Hardstyle Bass 1 Hardstyle Bass 2 Hardstyle Bass 3 Hardstyle Bass 4 Hardstyle Bass 5 Hardstyle Bass 6 -REMIDI

yeah pretty much..these style of bass's is what i'd like to start working on. can you name which songs these are from?

I think there has been some good suggestions in this thread about how to create this bass...so I'll take my time and see how i do.....thanks for the suggestions from everyone! i needed this bit of info to get the ball rolling. i'm not really sure about where i should get my original bass timbre from...but i'll just experiment for now using a bunch of different tones and try my best to apply all the knowledge that was shared in this thread...thanx again to everyone.....keep the knowledge comin regardless...would love to learn as much about how to create bass's like this as possible.

quote:

Originally posted by DJREMIDI Hardstyle Bass 1 - DJ Tom X - Cocaine (Bush Rmx) Hardstyle Bass 2 - Trance Generators - Widestyle Generation Hardstyle Bass 3 - The Raiders - Moonlight (Hardmoon Mix) Hardstyle Bass 4 - Blutonium Boy - Hardstyle Instructor Hardstyle Bass 5 - Tronik - Sensational (personal favorite) Hardstyle Bass 6 - Pavo & DJ Zany - Here We Go

This stuff kind of reminds me of Rotterdam beats from back in the day. Hmmm, I winder what happened to that stuff?

To me it doesnt sound like it's reversed or long attack. I think it's running the bassline through a sidechain compressor, letting the kickdrum trigger the compressor...

Example

ok now i listen the samples and jes samples 1-3 and 6 is made of kick sample and highly distorted..and reversed

and yes there might be side chain BUT listen carefully.. theres no pumping effect.. so treshold aint high

lol

dude its just a kick thats got a distortion and a long release to it

take a heavy kick sample dont cut away from it then add a distortion filter tweak it till it sounds right and wallah.

ohh and the bass just take a analog synth get a good saw effect and then add some attk and eq it high for a crisp sound and make sure the cutoffs up there too with some resonance depends on the preset u start from.

What do you guys think? My ears are tired so I can't tell if the timing is accurate.

Sample

-REMIDI

Ive never done this type of music but i was bored....
Bass


took about 10min to program all the sounds... im sure if i took about a week i could make something almost identical to any of the samples

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