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I dont think mainstream is bad at all, i get kinda frustrated when certain songs dont get the recognition that they should, ie Fragma - Toca Me was never played on the radio untill they mixed the vocals with it and released Tocas Miracle, i always knew it would go big!

Yeah, that's true. I thought the original was better.

The problem with mainstream stuff is that even a shit song can do well whereas some of the best underground stuff will never be heard by the record buying public and therefore not do well even though it's just as worthy of success.

Apparently, Trance music is the new mainstream, so hey maybe we are the part of the dreaded mainstream!!! Hehe.. I agree that trance is "mainstream" in the electronic music listening culture cuz it's the most popular electronic music out right now.. but it's obviously not mainstream in the general public, at least that's how it is where I live.. but so what, I'm still gonna love trance no matter what peeps think!!! Grr I had more to write but I forgot.. anyways.. as long as you love what u listen to it's all good!!!

latez...

I'm not sure if I should be envious of you people in Europe. They idea of Trance being played on the radio is completely foreign to me. In the area I live (USA midwest) the only time you might here trance on the radio is at like 1:00AM on a saturday night because there's some special show on dedicated to techno. And those shows are mostly house with the occasional trance song.

On the one hand, at least I don't get tired of songs because of radio play, but on the other hand, the net is the only real place to find new trance music.

ohm, you've got nothing to be envious about. Trance is in no way mainstream in Europe. Just take a look at MTV-europe which, I guess, is about as mainstream as you can get. Britney Spears, Destinys Child and other designer-acts with the occassional latino tracks (Enrique Iglesias, Ricky Martin) thrown in is the order of the day there.
In fact all I get from DJs when I ask for Picotto or Tiesto is a puzzled look. People are very conservative here...

The reason why trance is't played on the radio more frequently (In Canada). Is because it is still considered Underground, anything without vocal Basically. I remember one of my DJ friends saying that they wouldn't let him spin this particular track at the club because it was too "Underground" as they put it. Never the less it was an awesome track at the time back in the day and still is. The track was Gouryella - Gouryella. I let ppl listen to the trance and soon as there is a remix ppl flock to it. Example: Spoild & Zigo - More and More.
I heard one time this DJ at Space play this song..and he ended up playing the (Flickman Remix). In my opinion not the better remix of that track comparing with the Vocal Original. BTW if u hear that track when you are driving in or around the toronto area... its me

Well, there's a few things I think about the state of mainstream music (ie. there's *tons* of amazing music out there but everyone listens to britney spears :P)

1) Trance is gaining alot more mainstream acceptance than lets say, happy hardcore or jungle :P

2) Most people my age (I'm 17) know about electronic music.... quite a few like it actually (raves would be pretty popular if there were more than ummm.... 2 venues in the city), but it still isnt on the level of what rock + rap are here obviously (ugh.... rap)

3) People are stupid WHY??? Why would anyone possibly say britney spears is better than even the worst trance song, and eminem is better than DJ hype?
OK I'm done complaining for today!

Most of the people have false informations about electronic music. Most of them think songs without lyrics are useless and tracks without 'live' instruments are cold and dead. I have heard really crazy stories about electronic composing. For example a former classmate of mine thinks electronic composing is only pressing a 'Compose' button in a PC program and the computer gives you a song. Incredible!!! And he's not the only one who thinks like this.

Peace!

YEZy

Let's make things clear: I'm from Holland ,the no.1 trance country in Europe ( with all respect for Germany and the UK), and trance is NOT (yet) mainstream here!! And when I say "trance" I mean the trance we are talking about on this site. Of course you can hear trance on the radio but that's only on little radiostations or in the weekends at night.
The big radiostations only play commercial trance like Darude, Alice Deejay, DJ Jurgen, DJ Jean, ATB, Milk Inc. and so on.... If you ask a regular person to name some trance he will certainly give you one of this names!!!
So don't think you hear "real" trance (trance like we disguss on this site) all day on the radio!
It's a fact though that trance is becoming more and more mainstream music over here... for example we have a tv-station (TMF) which broadcasts every saturday evening some live sets. Sometimes they broadcast clips like Alibi - Eternity, Gouryella - Tenshi, Johan Gielen - Beauty of Silence etc.

Conclusion:
1) commercial trance is mainstream here, but the "underground" trance isn't!! (mmmm..... this sounds very stupid! )
2) morbius: although Eminem is no trance he still is the man!!!! and his songs are f#cking GREAT!!!

MASSOL!

"Isn't that the crappy music they play at raves? All ravers are gay."
sounds familiar to me, anyone else? :P

Hey, at least they know electronic music exists

Sorry to say so, Jukx, but Holland is *not* "the no. 1 trance country in Europe".
Although you've may have a head start through your easy-going drug policy, trance is a movement that can't be categorized as belonging mainly to some geographic region. Your trance-icons (although very very musical) aren't really the innovators of the genre, and the true trance-gatherings are held in Ibiza and Berlin anyway.
However, your country-men are very adapt at making "our" music digestible for an wider audience, as is the case with Vengaboys, Alice Deejay and (dare I say) Ferry Corsten.

I'm sorry for sounding bitter, but your country really can't take credit for something this wonderful on its own. We are a global movement, which this site is a good example of.

Here are few facts that should be said to the electronic music hating mainstream:
1 - Progressive trance music (like Bt and Chicane) has much more emotion then any boring acoustic guitar song!
2 - People that read lyrics of mtv hits and try finding meaning to it are fucking stupid and don't know how to enjoy music

THERE I SAID IT! muahaha

any comments?

Sorry to say "trancaholic" (or should I say Alcoholic?) but the topic is about mainstream - underground. And if there's one country in the whole world where trance would be mainstream music, that would be Holland. The reason: trance is extremely popular here, more popular than in Berlin or in Ibiza (man, how did you come up with that one!?!?!)

What does the drugs-policy got to do with trance music???!!?!?

It's true that my "trance-icons" (as you call it) are not the innovators of trance.. but did I ever say that?????

I wouldn't call Alice Deejay trance, but the Vengaboys?????????? you must be kidding!!!

Well, who are in your eyes the innovators for this genre? if you want to know my opinion about it, I recently posted a message at the Europe vs. US topic about it....
That's all i want to say about it for now.

So, alcoh.. ehh trancaholic, have a beer!

Cheers

ps: I'm sorry for sounding bitter

hey.. my first post here!

Mainstream vs. Underground is something that comes up alot for me...

I goto a highschool (blah blah), and often I will bring a discman with a CDRW disc that I burn new and "underground" electronic music which i listen to alot (it can range from house, techno, trance, whatever.)... I let quite a few classmates listen to my discman (as alot ask me WTF im listening to when they heard a lead synth or a repetitive "unsa unsa" beat screaming from the headphones :P)

And these are the typical reactions I get to my "underground" tunes (underground, for me meaning mostly electronic music few ever hear of..):

-Those who think the "beats are great!" (this happens mostly with those who like going to clubs/raves). Usually thier first thign said is "What kinda music is this??" or "What's this called?" in a positive way... these people are alright

-people who like and know about electronic music, and can clearly pick out which tracks/genres they like and dont like without being an ass and saying "gino beats suck!" while they skip throughout the whole CD. these people are alright too.

-People who like some of the stuff, but hate it when the songs get longer than 3 minutes (screw radio edits!)

-Rock/hiphop/r&b/rap music fans who think electronic music has no feeling.

-hiphop/rap fans who think electronic music is crap because "you cannot dance/groove to it"... (???).

-People who listen to only trance/electronic music that is in mainstream (like Darude, AliceDeejay, etc- like someone said above), and cry "I cant stand this shit... it has no words.. its just a person on a keybaord banging crap out." (those were exact words by one dumb person, actually.)

-People who think only popular/mainstream music is good, and the music I listen to is crap. These people dont know much about music, IMHO.

-Morons who call my music "Gino Beats" (a term i find very offensive in characterizing electronic music). Those in Toronto probably know what im talking about with the whole gino beat thing.... not everyone uses the term "gino beats" in an offensive way tho...

ok im done now... once again these are typical reactions i get to the "underground" music I listen to and search for alot.... sorry if half of the stuff i wrote was irrelavent to this topic... lol

(now, i wait for some dude to criticize my long ass post!)

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...my dad can beat your dad

(and those I find innovative are Maas, Picotto, Sasha, PVD for example)

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What a long f***in post goodnet!!!

hehe jokezzzz... I just wanna say that holland may be the country where trance is most popular but so what!!!!!!

Anyways I just came home and I had a few few drinks so I dunno what I'm doing.. I just wanna say that I'm the only one who listens to this music among my friends and they totally respecet it, they just don't like it.. as for the gino thing, I hate gino beats such shit ass music thats like really really really shitty garage if u can call it that whatever.. I just wanna say that ginos's are cool too peeps label me as a gina but so what!!! what I hate the most is the labels we have for peepz, I mean I've been into this music for a long while now but some loser "raver" who went to his first party yesterday is gonna say shit about me cuz his pants are "phatter" than mine!! fuck you snobby ravers!!!

latezzz...

Pfff... forget about it! it's obvious we all don't know what the other means with his/her msgs

and what's a gino????? I have a friend who's name is Gino but that's his real name

I guess most people listen to britney and all that mainstream pop-crap coz they don't have a chance to listen to some different genres etc. (yeah, blame the popular radio stations for that). Same thing with your trance song favs; you can name only the songs you know even if there were much better ones out there. Anyway, I don't really care if trance is becoming mainstream or not as long as I get my hands on new tunes and it doesn't start to become to commercial and manipulated by big players who just drool for money. I wonder when someone decides to mix britneys vocals with some trance tune to make a hit haha.

Anyway, it's all about the music, good vibes and unity. Let's not point fingers at people who don't like some genre or look down to them since they dig some tunes we don't. Peace.

well said mindbender, as long as you stay true to the music you like it's all good.. believe it or not there's a lot of people out there in the dance culture media and electronic music listening peeps who say that trance is mainstream... I just hope that we won't stop listening to it because of what they say... I agree trance will progress because we won't listen to the same thing over and over again but it will still live on!!!



latez...


[This message has been edited by Dj Furee (edited 11-12-2000).]

I read a great quote the other day:

"originality consists of thinking for yourself, NOT thinking unlike other people"

mainstream vs underground can be applied here. Just because something is (or becomes) mainstream, doesn't mean it sux. Eg Darude's Sandstorm, Storm's Time to Burn and all of ATB's stuff is essentially mainstream now. Granted we don't have a 24hr dance radio station in Adelaide, but the part time station we do have plays a helluva variety of music. The songs listed above will likely feature in the more commercial/"mainstream" drive-time show but they will also be in the more "underground" insomnia sets at around 4am Fri mornings! The cynical view that when something becomes mainstream or liked by a lot of people, it becomes crap, makes these "underground" fans as bad as the people who like the thing because it IS popular! These people do not value their own opinions or the music.

If you like a track - enjoy it with or without everyone else! The track is still the same!

It is frustrating when some songs don't get the respect they deserve, but at least that means WE get to enjoy them, and as such we have that special advantage over the sheep...

My opinion - that's all

[This message has been edited by Bendy (edited 11-12-2000).]

I like to have fun with people that don't like electronic music. When my friends who don't like trance ride in my car, I make sure to turn the CD up so they have to listen to it. Of course these are hippies that make me listen to James Taylor, Grateful Dead and (don't ask) Niel Diamond. For that I think they deserve it.

K guys, nice topic this is, but ehm, I just have to mingle with the discussion Jukx and Trancaholic were having, just a little.

First of all, trancaholic, Jukx said no. 1 trance COUNTRY. Which leaves out Berlin and Ibiza, because they're no countries (duh).

Next, trancaholic is calling the Dutch (ie Ferry Corsten, Ti�sto, Armin, Piet Bervoets, Benno de Goeij, Klubbheadz, etc. etc.) "not innovating"... Damn, who do you think created the DUTCH sound??

Also, drugs don't have nothin'to do with trance, are you the type that can only have fun when on drugs?

I have to admit however, that no one can take credit for the "birht" of trance. But why should we? In my opinion, nothing can make people from different countries unite better than a supurb tranceparty. Talking about trance parties... You guys all oughta visit Holland some time, we've got the BEST trance parties in the whole wide world. (If you don't believe it, check this site's live mix section once in a while)

Theres no need to be all elitist and proud that we're more 'underground' than all the robots that listen to pop radio stations all the time.
I've gotten my share of odd looks from people on the street while I carry my Nomad Jukebox cranking out tunes at the highest of volumes.
When I go to work (at a swimming pool), I make a point of stocking up the cd changer with cds I bring from home. Half of it is vocal trance, and imho it's the best way to convert pop fans into trance fans. I get a lot of people coming up to me and asking me where i got the tunes. So I get on my little soapbox and preach.
It's all about demystifying the tasty trance goodness, so the general mainstream public can understand it.

btw I love Armin, Corsten, and Ti�sto, and there was i think 1(one) Vengaboys song that I would classify trance. But gosh darn i dont remember.

When I first heard trance I thought it was pretty cool, but I didn't really fall for it until I ended up on a dance floor and felt the full vibe. Certainly, the best way to attract people to the music is to take them to a party/club and let them see what the scene is all about. It's much more than listening to headphones at school. It's a culture, which is why we're so dedicated to it.

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