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what is NOT uplifting trance?

ok, so ive noticed that several boards are flooded with uplifting trance mixes, uplifting track requests, uplifting trance sets, uplifting vocals.. etc.etc.

its beginning to really go into my nerves..

so im asking simply,

WHAT IS NOT UPLIFTING TRANCE and simply TRANCE ?

(NASA flamesuit activated)

To me, uplifting trance is basically the same trance with a huge breakdown, but the melody is more happy and meant to put you in a good mood.

Best example from this year of uplifting trance Sayla - Majestic (AvP remix)

whereas regular trance is more driving and it can have a huge breakdown, but it's more intended for dancing than just feeling uplifted liiiike... Carte Blanche.

That's just me though.

dont u feel uplifting trance just as well could be called cheese.. most of the tracks labeled as uplifting trance mostly has a easy to like melody, huge breakdown, and other clich� elements..

dunno really...
I always consired uplifting trance tracks like The Quest - C Sharp
I don't care anyway.

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Originally posted by Subtle dont u feel uplifting trance just as well could be called cheese.. most of the tracks labeled as uplifting trance mostly has a easy to like melody, huge breakdown, and other clich� elements..

It walks a very fine line usually. A lot of it is cheese and the melody just becomes annoying. If vocals become an intregal part of the song then it just makes it that much easier to be labelled as such. That's a hard area to hit on actually.

i think uplifting trance belongs more together with progressive trance rather than the actuall definition of all hands in the air trance..

like these compilations

http://www.discogs.com/release/56613

http://www.discogs.com/release/108166

http://www.discogs.com/release/54755

i think these reflects on more what uplifting trance is, rather than the happy supersaw, overused.. so called uplifting

Uplifting trance is not a sub-genre in the same way that epic trance or acid house are. It simply refers to trance that is uplfiting in tone and vibe. In the same way that epic trance can be dark and moody, even very subdued trance can be uplifting. I think "uplifting" came into use in the late 90s, as the focus on trance was shifted towards the euphoric. It was all about rushing emotions and ravers crying. I think that has died out a lot now due to over-doses of happiness, and trance is slowly getting into "dark and moody".

But anyway. It isn't a specific genre, just a description.

I think of it this way: Over the last couple of years there's been a rise in that "new sound" of trance. I think you all know what I mean. It sounds proggier, instead of a saw lead there's pulse/sin stabs with a shitload of delay and the melodies are nice but they're not as "epic" as the melodies in the '99 sound of trance. As well, the basslines aren't as energetic as before, but they're deeper, proggier sounding. A usual Armin set, for instance, is full of these types of tracks.

Now I'm not saying one style is better than the other, or anything like that. But here's the problem with this. This "new sound" is just referred to as "Trance" even though it's clearly different from the form of trance we originally know. The point being that people who listen or prefer the original form of trance have to refer to it differently so people don't think they mean this new proggier sound. That's why I think people (at least i do) refer to "uplifting/epic" when talking about the original style, so people don't get confused with the new style... Anyways I hope this makes sense but if it doesn't just ignore it i guess.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J Uplifting trance is not a sub-genre in the same way that epic trance or acid house are. It simply refers to trance that is uplfiting in tone and vibe. In the same way that epic trance can be dark and moody, even very subdued trance can be uplifting. I think "uplifting" came into use in the late 90s, as the focus on trance was shifted towards the euphoric. It was all about rushing emotions and ravers crying. I think that has died out a lot now due to over-doses of happiness, and trance is slowly getting into "dark and moody". But anyway. It isn't a specific genre, just a description.

I agree with what u say..

but i think everybody describes simple plain trance as uplifting when in reality its simply a good trance track they like..

just cause u like a track doesnt mean u can call it uplifting.. i find the word "Uplifting" highly abused.. and should only be used to describe certain types of tracks, which can either be dark and moody, or with an uplifting spirit to them.. not the 3 minute breakdown trance

but it seems like now, its like every trance track which can be considered melodic is called uplifting..

I think trance itself as a genre is supposed to be uplifting, and that calling something for uplifting trance is the same as calling Pop for, popular Pop.. i mean, pop is pop and trance is trance..

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Originally posted by Numidia I think of it this way: Over the last couple of years there's been a rise in that "new sound" of trance. I think you all know what I mean. It sounds proggier, instead of a saw lead there's pulse/sin stabs with a shitload of delay and the melodies are nice but they're not as "epic" as the melodies in the '99 sound of trance. As well, the basslines aren't as energetic as before, but they're deeper, proggier sounding. A usual Armin set, for instance, is full of these types of tracks. Now I'm not saying one style is better than the other, or anything like that. But here's the problem with this. This "new sound" is just referred to as "Trance" even though it's clearly different from the form of trance we originally know. The point being that people who listen or prefer the original form of trance have to refer to it differently so people don't think they mean this new proggier sound. That's why I think people (at least i do) refer to "uplifting/epic" when talking about the original style, so people don't get confused with the new style... Anyways I hope this makes sense but if it doesn't just ignore it i guess.

I understand ur point, good point.. but maybe that older style should be described as classic trance or epic trance, that makes more sense..

but as for uplifting, i think its a wrong description, im listening to Nick Warren 28 - Shangai right now, i find that uplifting, but it doesnt make it right to say that its uplifting breaks/prog or trance..

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Originally posted by Subtle I think trance itself as a genre is supposed to be uplifting, and that calling something for uplifting trance is the same as calling Pop for, popular Pop.. i mean, pop is pop and trance is trance..

Not really. Trance hasn't always been about uplfiting vibes, which is why people make the distinction in the first place.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J Not really. Trance hasn't always been about uplfiting vibes

what has it been about then ?

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Originally posted by Subtle WHAT IS NOT UPLIFTING TRANCE and simply TRANCE ? (NASA flamesuit activated)

Most, if not all of pre-1997 trance.

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Originally posted by Subtle what has it been about then ?

hypnotic and deep. its only like in the latter part of 90s trance started to get uplifting.

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Originally posted by RebeL9 hypnotic and deep. its only like in the latter part of 90s trance started to get uplifting.

hypnotic and deep, yes.. thats uplifting..

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Originally posted by Subtle hypnotic and deep, yes.. thats uplifting..

no its not. hold a sec and i will give you some samples

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Originally posted by Spacey Orange Most, if not all of pre-1997 trance.

so trance doesnt really exsist anymore.. or could progressive house be described as the "new" trance?

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Originally posted by Subtle so trance doesnt really exsist anymore.. or could progressive house be described as the "new" trance?

Of course it exists, but like all genres it has moved on. Prefixes to genres only exist when it's necessary to make a distinction. Most pre-1997 trance is now called "classic trance", and there are still producers out there who make trance as it used to be.

Uplifting is a word that describes an emotion or emotions. Emotions are subjective. What is not uplifting to you is not uplifting trance. Because if it was uplifting trance, it would uplift you. What might be uplifting to you might not be uplifting to me, and vice versa. And I know plenty of trance that doesn't uplift me.

In other words, it's not a type of trance because it describes the way an individual might feel toward a piece of music rather than the music itself.

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Originally posted by Aiwendil Uplifting is a word that describes an emotion or emotions. Emotions are subjective.

It's about the intention of the record. Music that tries to uplift is uplifting. Usually (especially with trance) it's easy to see what the producer is aiming at.

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Originally posted by Aiwendil Uplifting is a word that describes an emotion or emotions. Emotions are subjective. What is not uplifting to you is not uplifting trance. Because if it was uplifting trance, it would uplift you. What might be uplifting to you might not be uplifting to me, and vice versa. And I know plenty of trance that doesn't uplift me. In other words, it's not a type of trance because it describes the way an individual might feel toward a piece of music rather than the music itself.

my point excactly

here is what I would consider as "REAL" trance:

http://hem.bredband.net/homzaf/firedance.mp3

http://hem.bredband.net/homzaf/star.mp3

http://hem.bredband.net/homzaf/power.mp3

http://hem.bredband.net/homzaf/paraglidersoasis.mp3


oh yeah there are still producers who make trance which isn't ravaged by the supersaws and vocals.

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Originally posted by RebeL9

omg, yes.. thats what im talking about, thats real trance, the kinda trance i began to like, from trancemaster 19 and beyond.. unfortunately i started to like trance in 98, and then Ferry came and hypnotised me into a neverending sound..

what`s the artist of the Firedance tune?

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Originally posted by Subtle what`s the artist of the Firedance tune?

it's Odyssee of Noises - Firedance (The Sunrise). From 1994

That stuff's pretty damn good.. thanks fer posting rebel. The fourth link especially is sweet

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