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The Trance Experience from Sound.Org/Waves

Just about to order this, and wondered if anyone's got this yet?

Looks pretty good. They also have another title based on mixing and mastering that looks alright.

Hopefully we'll be seeing a lot more stuff like this!


http://www.sound.org/titles2.html

Re: The Trance Experience from Sound.Org/Waves

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Originally posted by david-james Just about to order this, and wondered if anyone's got this yet? Looks pretty good. They also have another title based on mixing and mastering that looks alright. Hopefully we'll be seeing a lot more stuff like this! http://www.sound.org/titles2.html

im just going to order it myself..i read in another tread in this section that this book is very good..

Hi!

I've bought myself both books. I like em both. They give lots of good advice on things like panning, compression, eq:ing, reverb and stuff.
I kinda like practical more than teoretical learning so the seesions files really does it for me.
Only thing is you need quite a powerful comp. to run full session. But u can always run bounced files on a quite slowish comp., mine is based on Athlon 1800+, works ok.
One other drawback is if u plan to ur session files longer than 14 days, since thats the demoperiod of the included wavesplugins (that is of course if u dont already own these). But still advices apply for other plugs aswell so the techniques are useable anyways.

U wanna know something else bout the books, I�ll be happy to answer.

Viktor

And no i�m not a waves representative : )

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Originally posted by vccv U wanna know something else bout the books, I�ll be happy to answer.

Ive now ordered, The Trance Experience book. Im just wondering in full session mode what other 3rd party plugins are used for instruments?

I would prefer to work this way if i can, but i dont wanna be missing anything if i can help it, so if there's anything you can suggest that'll be cool. I already have quite a few so i might be ok.

I'll be using Logic Pro 7 on a Dual G5 with 4.5gb of Ram. So it should be able to ok for this.

Thanks for any info...

Waste of money; it's all free on the net and forums, and so much more plus interaction.

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Originally posted by DJ Shibby Waste of money; it's all free on the net and forums, and so much more plus interaction.

I wouldn't say a book of someone that's in the business for quite a few years can compare to some forum information. (speaking in general terms)

Used soft...
Emagic ES2, EXS24, Sculpture, Ultrabeat
Motu MX4
NI Battery 2, Reaktor 4
Fabfilter one
Basementarts Reflex beat slicer
Alphakanal Generator
Waves Diamond bundle, IR-1, Q-Clone

And yes i suppose the books cover less info than forums but i kind of like it having it gathered in a colorful thin expensive book : )

I'm not a production pro either so i found lots of useful info in the books but i can imagine if one already knows alot about production then these books might not offer "anything new under the sun".

Viktor

Fantastic book. My production skills have really come on in the last 2-3 days. A picture paints a thousand words, just my opinion

I guess people learn in diff ways but for beginners out there, get this book

I guess for only $80 it can never hurt the money to learn

At least it is WAY more expensive than some other blatantly expensive tools that are around...

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Originally posted by DeZmA I wouldn't say a book of someone that's in the business for quite a few years can compare to some forum information. (speaking in general terms)

Yeah, because there aren't any people who have been in the business on any forums or with net magazines or anything like that, right?

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Originally posted by DJ Shibby Waste of money; it's all free on the net and forums, and so much more plus interaction.

I don't think you're right. I also bought it and I find it helpfull for seting up a song template-project in your sequencer with eq's and effects to roughly match a "generic trance track". At the end it should be all individual but its a good starting point.
Although the book is sort of Waves-Promotion it gives you a better understanding of a mix if you see the FX-Settings visually.

And some words about forums and learning basic techniques:
Many people who got to the point where their tracks start sounding professional start to get arrogant. It's the typical keeper-of-forbidden-knowledge-syndrome which can be found in all sorts of forums on the net. The same applies to those "insider tutorials" in magazines like s.o.s. (I remember "trance masterclass for reason" which sounded more crappy than any demo-song).
I find it absolutely legitimate if someone who's getting into trance music (we should be glad that there are still "beginners" although they start with most commercial stuff) and decides to try it with let's say fruity or reason wants to copy one of his favourite "commercial acts".

Torsten Fassbender shows in his book how to do this commercial sound.
On this forum the usual game is the following...

Newbie: "How can I make my track sound like commercial DJ XYZ?"
Pro: "Don't copy! Develope your individual sound, it's all about training. It takes you a long way (In fact he has to give this master-yoda-answer to justify his years of training without having had assistance from others)"
Pro(alternative answer): "Find out by yourself. It's all about EQing."

Newbie: "how can I achieve the sound like ZYX with synth Y?"
Pro: "Start with a Saw, then tweak, tweak and tweak"

Don't get me wrong, theres a lot of good information here but not "pre-compiled" for beginners. It would be a lifetime task to gather all information in a single tutorial.

cheers,

hereander

So I'm assuming they're looking for step-by-step tutorials on let's say to create your typical saw lead or a really powerful pad? Personally, I just feel people don't want to learn for themselves and would rather just ask someone to do it for them. That's what I think most people on the forums get upset about. Either there is already something written on it or they're just too lazy to do it themselves.

While on the subject of effects...you can't just teach someone how to make a sound pro by saying "If you want to make that sweet saw lead in abc track, use this much delay with this much compression and eq it with these settings and now you'll sound just like Tiesto or PVD." Search first and if you'd like some extra help then I'm willing to bet someone will help you out and show you how to get that extra edge.

Obviously you can't become a pro overnight, or a week, or months, but years yes. It's all about practice, practice, practice. I feel it's just easier to learn through trial and error and reading up a little bit on what you're trying to do.

I've never read the book, but I feel I probably have learned more in a shorter amount of time on my own than reading that book.

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Originally posted by djlogik So I'm assuming they're looking for step-by-step tutorials on let's say to create your typical saw lead or a really powerful pad? Personally, I just feel people don't want to learn for themselves and would rather just ask someone to do it for them. That's what I think most people on the forums get upset about. Either there is already something written on it or they're just too lazy to do it themselves.

Maybe... but if you are not into the basics yet (most people want to start with at least some first sucess before studying really technical stuff) and you read on a forum "do this, do that with lp, notch... whatever set it to xyw" there is no common language between the pro and the beginner. If you have a book with nice pictures, some presets and a project ready to load into your sequencer, you can at least see what this and that does and can start changing parameters etc.

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Originally posted by hereander Maybe... but if you are not into the basics yet (most people want to start with at least some first sucess before studying really technical stuff) and you read on a forum "do this, do that with lp, notch... whatever set it to xyw" there is no common language between the pro and the beginner. If you have a book with nice pictures, some presets and a project ready to load into your sequencer, you can at least see what this and that does and can start changing parameters etc.

+1 I don't think I could have said that better myself

Also, the guy who wrote the book has a forum and answers questions from guys who are eagar to learn the basics. Which other producer does this?

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Originally posted by Agenz +1 I don't think I could have said that better myself Also, the guy who wrote the book has a forum and answers questions from guys who are eagar to learn the basics. Which other producer does this?

Right, the forum is really nice. I don't know if it will stay like it is, because the book is quite new and Torsten might loose interest someday. But I have allready got some interesting answers to my questions regarding his workflow etc.

Thanks for all your nice comments here about my book.

@hereander: i wont loose any interest to moderate the waves readers forum. i will do my best to keep the answers coming!

Cheerz,
Torsten

im just bout to order this book now..does anybody no any book deales in europe to get it from..on the start of this tread the link is for america and its $80

it cost me a fortune to get it ship from america and take ages aswell

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Originally posted by djgosher2023 im just bout to order this book now..does anybody no any book deales in europe to get it from..on the start of this tread the link is for america and its $80 it cost me a fortune to get it ship from america and take ages aswell

do you got my reply in the Waves Forum regarding the resellers? You can ofcourse order it in europe. Check your PM at the Waves Forum, ive send you a link.


Sonic Distribution Limited
James Young
Unit 23 Westbury Close
Townsend Industrial Estate
Houghton Regis
LU5 5BL
Tel 44 (0)1582 470260
Mobile: 07967 601174
Fax: +44 (0)1582 470269
Email: [email protected]
www.sonic-distribution.com


Cheerz,
Torsten

yeah got the pm.tried the one for the uk.didnt give any info on the book or how to buy it

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Originally posted by djgosher2023 yeah got the pm.tried the one for the uk.didnt give any info on the book or how to buy it

Sonic Distribution Limited
James Young
Unit 23 Westbury Close
Townsend Industrial Estate
Houghton Regis
LU5 5BL
Tel 44 (0)1582 470260
Mobile: 07967 601174
Fax: +44 (0)1582 470269
Email: [email protected]
www.sonic-distribution.com

let me know if this works for you mate!


Cheerz,
Torsten

thats the one i tried..no links to books on that website

when i tried other online stores around europe thru ur pm today..it went into different langauges

write an email regarding the book to james from Sonic Distribution, iam sure he can help you. he is a nice one!

they are official resellers for whole UK so they should have the book to order.

Cheerz,
Torsten

cheers torsten

i was thinking that

Yeh i dont think you can view it on their site for some reason. Just give them a call and they will get one out to you very fast...

my brother is coming home from america on thursday..was just taking to him there..he is going try get me a copy in new york.so hopefully all goes well.could have it by thrusday.

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