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shoud djs give away their music for free and make all of their money from gigging?

discuss please

I think so. Touring makes you a better dj. Plus people now a days pirate your music anyways.

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Originally posted by pvdclubber shoud djs give away their music for free and make all of their money from gigging? discuss please

...You know not all producers are DJs and not all DJs are producers... right?

Erm... why on earth would you even think that?

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Originally posted by Mr.Mystery Erm... why on earth would you even think that?

Apparently music producers aren't worth supporting and they should all turn to DJing

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Originally posted by Shade ...You know not all producers are DJs and not all DJs are producers... right?

True, but dj's release compilation cds while producers have to perform in some type of live show. You still have to do something live for the fans regardless, but there's alway excemption to that.

if they want

No.

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Originally posted by djtroa True, but dj's release compilation cds while producers have to perform in some type of live show. You still have to do something live for the fans regardless, but there's alway excemption to that.

You do realize most artists don't make very much money off of those compilations let alone productions themselves (on a large scale)?

You're saying essentially that for spending days, weeks and sometimes months on a track, the producer should be making NOTHING? That's completely stupid.

I say more credit to the actual producers rather than the DJ's.

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Originally posted by Mr.Mystery I say more credit to the actual producers rather than the DJ's.

I second that opinion.

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Originally posted by Mr.Mystery I say more credit to the actual producers rather than the DJ's.

heh, this is why producers take up DJing

Personally I don't DJ, and probably never will in my entire life, unless someone really changes my mind, so what does that mean? I shouldn't get a penny for all my hard work?

DJ's put the compilations together, but if everyone were to DJ, there wouldn't be any tracks to put on the compilations.

I say enough with DJ's, every other house in Europe is a DJ these days...

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Originally posted by Shade You do realize most artists don't make very much money off of those compilations let alone productions themselves (on a large scale)? You're saying essentially that for spending days, weeks and sometimes months on a track, the producer should be making NOTHING? That's completely stupid.

I didn't mean it like that, but still the way things are now a days people will pirate you tracks off the net. You're still going to be getting ripped some how. Whether it's by your label company or people that pirate your stuff off the net. You still have to perform live, at least for the fans.

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Originally posted by djtroa I didn't mean it like that, but still the way things are now a days people will pirate you tracks off the net. You're still going to be getting ripped some how. Whether it's by your label company or people that pirate your stuff off the net. You still have to perform live, at least for the fans.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again (just because you keep proving it to me).

You're an idiot

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Originally posted by Shade I've said it before, and I'll say it again (just because you keep proving it to me). You're an idiot

from what i can see, he's basically saying there's next to fuck all money in the trance scene nowadays unless you play out. which is pretty much the truth for the majority of producers. i don't really see how that makes him an idiot?

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Originally posted by isoterra from what i can see, he's basically saying there's next to fuck all money in the trance scene nowadays unless you play out. which is pretty much the truth for the majority of producers. i don't really see how that makes him an idiot?

So the producer should HAVE to DJ to earn money? From what I gather from his comments (and the idea behind the first post of the thread), he's saying producers should be giving out their tracks for free until it comes to something like a compilation or their playing it out on their own sets. That doesn't sound stupid to you?

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Originally posted by Shade So the producer should HAVE to DJ to earn money? From what I gather from his comments (and the idea behind the first post of the thread), he's saying producers should be giving out their tracks for free until it comes to something like a compilation or their playing it out on their own sets. That doesn't sound stupid to you?

it sounds stupid yeah, just i didn't interpret that way

saying producers should HAVE to do anything is stupid, but i don't think that's what the threadstarter was suggesting

threadstarter suggests the following,

in order to maximise reach one should give away one's tracks,

there is plenty of money to be made by gigging and merchandise,

music should be used as a marketing tool, it's the brand of the personaa that rakes in the money

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Originally posted by pvdclubber threadstarter suggests the following, in order to maximise reach one should give away one's tracks, there is plenty of money to be made by gigging and merchandise, music should be used as a marketing tool, it's the brand of the personaa that rakes in the money

Be honest - are you just looking for ways to justify illegally downloading tracks?

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Originally posted by pvdclubber threadstarter suggests the following, in order to maximise reach one should give away one's tracks, there is plenty of money to be made by gigging and merchandise, music should be used as a marketing tool, it's the brand of the personaa that rakes in the money

...and the ones that don't do gigs?

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Originally posted by pvdclubber threadstarter suggests the following, in order to maximise reach one should give away one's tracks, there is plenty of money to be made by gigging and merchandise, music should be used as a marketing tool, it's the brand of the personaa that rakes in the money

seeing as the most common & widespread form of distribution is through shops, i can't see how giving away tracks would get anywhere near to maximising reach

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Originally posted by pvdclubber threadstarter suggests the following, in order to maximise reach one should give away one's tracks, there is plenty of money to be made by gigging and merchandise, music should be used as a marketing tool, it's the brand of the personaa that rakes in the money

To be honest, I don't think we need a whole bunch of Tiestos running around in the industry selling merchandise to make their profit rather than music (I'm not holding anything against him, but he makes a valid example). Music should certainly not be used primarily as a marketting tool, otherwise it's being made for all the wrong reasons. The artist should not conform to what society demands, but rather what they feel works. Making edits and whatnot for labels demands is fine, but artists should never be shaping their whole tracks around others.

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Originally posted by isoterra seeing as the most common & widespread form of distribution is through shops, i can't see how giving away tracks would get anywhere near to maximising reach

mouth-propaganda, many indie artists have made it that way, see artic monkeys

yeah, free downloads are a good way to do publicity. Actually alot of artists post stuff up to download, just not every single thing that they have made. Usually when you look up an artist you can find enough free legal downloads to get a feel for the sound and decide whether to buy their stuff or not.

I don't think we as fans have any reason to discuss how musicians should make their money though, we should just do whatever we feel comfortable doing to get the music we like. I mean, if it were up to me everything would be free, and musicans would have day jobs where they work on things that people actually need rather than collecting loot by selling these silly luxuries we call records.(please kids dont read too much into this I'm not seriously arguing that everybody should do as I say, it's just my POV, and I realize how this would negatively effect alot of the music we get)

There is no sense trying to play games with your conscience and justify breaking the law. If your gonna be a criminal, then be prepared to act like one. Criminals these days seem to have lost their balls, just break the friggin law ffs.

These electonics are such epensive toys, its no wonder the stuff costs so much, but I do feel sometimes as if there are too many hands in the cookie jar, and that sometimes money just needs to be taken out of the equation. It is nice to be able to buy recordings knowing that the money will be spent to keep a person alive and finance his gear budjet, especially if you like his/her sound(though all too often it doesnt work that way andd the label just keeps it and the musicians fall into debt), but at the same time you wonder if there might be a better way to keep your ears happy and your musicians equiped and employed.

I had this silly idea called "holding your music ransom". You make a tune, and post it in a really low quality format, which people can keep and share and whatever they wanna do with it, then you say "I want X amount of money before I will liberate this music". People can pay towards that sum, earning the favor of the musician, perhaps getting some DRM'ed watermarked copy of the music until the time comes that the artists has the full amount of ransom money. Maybe the people who get these DRM'ed copied can then have their dick measuring contests of how they liked the piece before everyone paid and liberated it. Once a satisfactory amount of money has been raised by the piece of music it is liberated, anyone can get a copy, anyone can share it.

I like the ransom idea because it allows the general public to decide how much a piece of music is worth rather than a record label, and musicians get to decide how much money they think they deserve for their music, and once they are satisfied the piece belongs to everyone which kinda brings balance to the force that is file sharing. More in demand music will get a higher ransom, while at the same time that higher ransom will encourage people to keep finding new artists who ask for less. Of course, that wouldn't work unless everybody did it, because a lone musician holding their music ransom would look like a complete jack ass, and musicians would still have to perform and promote themselves in order to get enough fans to pay the ransom. I just thought that may be an appropriate business model for music in the age of the internet.

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