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TOTA has a crisis on its hands

I'm gonna say some things that some people aren't gonna like hearing, but it needs to be said.

Some people with bright futures are about to ruin their lives with the paths they are choosing. It really saddens me and others to see this happen before our very eyes. Its bad enough that it happens here in our hometown on a weekly basis, with some people's houses being 'drug central', but its even more distressing when people take things to extremes on vacation, seeing a party out of town as an excuse to party even harder. Why has clubbing become more about the drugs than it did the music for some people? Why do people require a dangerous coctail of substances to have a good time?

There are a few letters of the alphabet, and the name of a popular beverage that seem to be taking control of people's lives in a bad way. You'd think people would be smarter about the drugs they choose to do considering we've seen first-hand what they can do, but obviously I give people more credit than they deserve.

The one that is most concerning is the G usage that is going around in some circles. Never did I ever think anyone from TA would be stupid enough to make G part of their weekend routine, considering it was the drug of choice for the ever-reviled Gino steroid heads and sketchy CoZo circles, but oh how its rearing its ugly head here! Some of us had the misfortune of seeing another G-out on several occasions last year, yet months later, we're now learning how widespread the problem has become among people who shoulda learned a lesson from observing it. Any drug that can do that and has such a high chance of hospitalization rate, should not be messed with. Its especially disconcerting when a more recent incident didn't seem to stop others from their own usage.

The other big problem here is the rampant K usage. Whats even more gross is the blatant 'glorification' of it, with jokes of 'Tony Island' all over the threads (those of you who understand, know). The same people who bitched about the k-tarded asians at the Guv are no better, aside from the fact that they're not sitting on the floor. Keep it up, kids- just a few months more and you too will have a hole burned thru your septum requiring plastic surgery to fix it, and a bad habit you cant kick.

As for coke- I never understood that drug. It's not even fun or sociable, nor is it even good quality up here in Canada (yet people still pay the same high price for it & get just as addicted). And for what??? So they can stay up for days on end, just so they can do more drugs? Not one of these people can even list a single moment where coke made their night 'fun'. If it isn't fun, what's the point even??

Whats even a bigger joke is the monthly "I'm gonna take a vacation from it" promise or "my usage is down" comment, which never seems to last long enough for the next weekend to roll around. When you cant even remember when the last drug-free weekend was, guess what? You have a problem. Dont think you're exempt cuz you don't do it 7 days a week.

Whats most interesting is the young age of some of these people, who have no problem spending $100+ minimum on weekend party favors. Never did I then, nor when I was older, spend that kinda money. Since when did student budgets get so lucrative? The sad thing is, these very people are missing out on opportunities / events/ vacations, etc... because they dont have the money for those things when they come up- yet they somehow have the money for their weekly drug habit. Messed up priorities? I think so. As for the older folks who partake in this behavior, they should know better. Shows you that no matter what age you are, you're just as vulnerable.

People need to stop and look at themselves before something bad happens.... something really bad. At the rate some of you are going, that bad thing is gonna happen REAL soon. At the very least, I forsee these issues drawing a big divide in the TA community, between the people who glorify this behaviour, and those who are sick of watching it, and getting dragged into the drama and being lied to their faces ("no really, I quit/ reduced my usage tremendously").

I am by no means some high and mighty anti-drug person- I've just never let drugs take control of me (maybe I am a rarity?). But people here are forgetting that they're not invincible, nor are they Superman. Its not fair to push yourself to extremes, because its your friends and family who are going to have to deal with it and witness it when it happens, and pay the price as well, on many levels. And that's IF your friends do the right thing, and IF the paramedics get to you in time. There are TOO many consequences to list even. People forget they are playing with fire, and its only a matter of time before someone get burned. I, for one, need to distance myself from people who are going to put me in these situations.

Either people get their shit together (and I really hope they do), or maybe they just should hop on their beloved 'Tony Island' and go float away to join www.drugaddicts.com .

wow...couldnt get away from reading the whole thing and yes ur right. we all are or have at some point been there and not only are the dangers prtaining to health but also to our social well being.

i hope this thread is read by almost all(if not everyone) instead of the stupid threads that TA is 95% made of

Quality post Nat!

I think TA should be rid of all drug discussion. There are other sites where that information is readily available and those links could be provided in a Forum Rules area.

i dont remember reading about the usage of weed either but ive noticed alot of members off late smokin up more than before. some crave it so bad its wierd.



(i cant wait for these people to pounce on me after this line)

i am one of those people who is sick and tired of watching most of my friends using and misusing the chemicals... maybe one of the reasons why I am nowhere to be seen at these special events (let alone regular clubbing nights in some places).

I have been through that period in life where I pushed myself to some ridiculous limits while experimenting with drugs, but some people just cannot seem to let it go and move on.

I am not going to comment on anyone here in particular (because I do not know most of you), but it all boils down to having a low self esteem, boring life, and just being lazy and taking the easy way out. Grow up... (and yes, I seem to be cutting off all my friends who are still stuck in that "zone"... can't deal with it anymore, plus nothing good comes out of them anyway).

Good post.

I won't act like a saint and pretend that I've never "gone a little too far"; but there's a time when you have to draw the line and just stop that shit, or "grow up" so to speak. Anyone that says that they're not affected by it are probably the ones that need to stop immediately.

Good post, Nat.

If you need that many drugs to enjoy tunes or to have a good time with your friends, then there is def somethign wrong. And I'm no saint either but my rockstar days are few and far between and never impact on the lives of others.

Toronto is my second home and I love all the people I've met in the past year here. They are truly an intelligent, delightful, fun group to be with and I value them a great deal. But I agree with Nat - it's getting worse and not better in terms of usage, variety, etc.

I hope it dosen't come to, as one friend put it, "someone OD'ing and not making it" for people to chill a bit. But I'm not a mom or a boss or anyone to command anyone to do anything - just a friend concerned and waiting for that shoe to fall that she hope won't.

Go Nat... love ya! Well said, and you better listen when Nat speaks!

PS

This should be made sticky

Quality post Nat, thank you for taking the time. It is not for nothing tatgirl is TA's Godmother! Hopefully it'll help some people re-think what they're doing.

well said Nat...

it's a thin line between party/ abuse.

This is a really good thread..
Some ppl really need to hear it...when they aren't listening to anything or anyone else...
I agree that i am no one to go thinking i'm better then anyone... when I come to TO I dabble in the letter E.. but I don't make it a routine... and as for all the other things going around.. I have never touched any of it...
i really agree that some ppl need to take a major toning down of their usage..some ppl i don't know well.. but some ppl i know very well and are very close to my heart and i don't like seeing them in states that i have been over the last little while..its very painful to see ppl i care about being so destructive to their bodies..

and who knows.. this post may put me on the outside with these ppl but they know who they are and now they know how i feel now... and its not just myself that feels this way.. and yes it has been the topic of many conversations with a lot of us.. but its only because we care.. but maybe it'll take hearing it from ppl you party with to hit home

Nikitha

Great post, Nat!

Never tried drugs in my life, intend to keep it this way.

For me the bottom line is responsibilty. Be responsible to stay away from the high risk drugs such as G. Be responsible to consume in moderation. Be responsible to understand the fine line between a party and your real life.

For me I started partying in the scene 4 years before I tried the drugs. I've definetly had my moments of over indulgence. But as I get older I realize that its become harder to recover and overall less enjoyable. So i've been going out more and more these days with a few drinks in me and you remember how great partying is. The night is more clear, the coversations are better with less sketch factor. And in the end as long as you are with great friends and good tunes then who the fuck needs a chemical high when you have a natural one?

i remember reference to drugs on here was a rarity or disguised immensely. now we even have users with drug names/references blatant in their handles let alone the need for at least one reference at least in almost every thread about "Sketchiness"

obviously this has increased with increased usage

Well said Nat.

Post of the year. (or possibly in all of trancEaddicts existance for that matter)

(and a must read for many TA's i know)

Things are starting to get WAY out of hand with some people.....

Scary thing is..... I dont think many of the people who have a problem, even realize it!? I could be wrong, but it seems like they just tell themselves enough times that what they are doing is just like everyone else.

Maybe everyone who reads this should PM those who they think have a problem in confidentiality, if you receive more than one.... you likely have a big problem on your hands.

since 99% of us dont have the balls to say it to their face (including myself)

If we want to have a good summer, this post has to be read and understood by everyone.

This is not preaching, there is no secret intentions, there is no reading between the lines, these are facts.

If you need any help, now is the time.

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Originally posted by StereoPrincess If we want to have a good summer, this post has to be read and understood by everyone.

Great post Nat! I'm also particularly distressed by the number of people I know that are starting to experiment with G. I've met loads of people who use G on a regular basis and I asked several of them to explain to me how they use it (quantities, frequency, etc.) and why so many people seem to get it wrong and end up G'd out and layed out on the floor.

They all made it sound so foolproof and easy to handle, yet EVERY SINGLE ONE of them admitted to G'ing out on several occasions. None of them seemed to think this was anything to worry about. I don't pretend to know the science behind it, but this sounds like Russian roulette to me.

It just doesn't seem worth it. God knows I love my drugs, but if I ever get to the point where E and K can't get me high, I'm running straight to rehab. I mean...there's alot of drugs out there to choose from if you feel the need....why the fuck would you pick the one that might kill you....or WORSE....shit your pants (no idea how true this is, but I've heard that this is possible from several sources)!!

I guess some people just have to push the envelope. Of course, unless someone close to you dies, you never believe it can happen to you. You know there's potential consequences, but they're in the future somewhere and it's way more fun to just get high and dance and not think about them. I suppose that's the point of getting high. Vicious cycle.

obe

good call. I had to quit because I developed an irregular heartbeat. Also, as I became more and more of a fan I realized I have just a good a time, perhaps even more when I'm just downing a few drinks. lol I guess that's what happens when you haven't gone sober to a party in like 2 years.

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Originally posted by Floorwhore Post of the year. (or possibly in all of trancEaddicts existance for that matter) (and a must read for many TA's i know) Things are starting to get WAY out of hand with some people..... Scary thing is..... I dont think many of the people who have a problem, even realize it!? I could be wrong, but it seems like they just tell themselves enough times that what they are doing is just like everyone else. Maybe everyone who reads this should PM those who they think have a problem in confidentiality, if you receive more than one.... you likely have a big problem on your hands. since 99% of us dont have the balls to say it to their face (including myself)

I agree...it gets to the point where what people used to consider as extreme is now what is consumed "in moderation". Their habit which is "under control" used to be "pushing their limits".

It shouldn't be a pill a line and a cap, each time you go out (because you know people who are doing three of each), but rather going out certain nights and doing no drugs whatsoever.

I recall a thread a couple months ago where someone was looking for info on how to hang out in the Guv without doing any drugs. They were so miserable and couldn't make it through the night.

I quit the hard shit a long time ago, and all I do is drink now, and not even that much. I might hit a J every couple months, but even that is rare. Nah, I'm no saint, because I've had some pretty damn rockstar points in my life. But when people who haven't done what I've done can't even leave it alone, that's an issue.

And guys, please don't wait until you're at the point where you think you need to make a change. Go a day hear and there without it entirely. It will help you keep the music a part of your life when you do let go of the drugs completely.

Thank you for the post. Cue taken.

A fellow tranceaddict actually mentioned this similar type of behaviour a couple of years ago, when I was less then aquanted with TA. I didn't believe him. I didn't know the TAs, their lifestyles or party lives, so I just thought it was unwarranted critisism.

This type of post just goes to show that TAs do infact care. Its not just about the party, or just about the music, its about the community.

agreed...

You realy don't need it. I'd rather wear down my body on my own. Take for example decadence. 12 hours of dancing non stop, no chemicals, natural,booze, nothing...... only to fall over at the end and be carried home... if you are going to wear yourself, do it so that the only thing you will need to heal yourself is a good nights rest. (and maybe a bath of epsom salts)

some people dont realize how fun it is just to gather a few of their friends and party sober.

great post Nat everybody should read this.

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Originally posted by Time2Burn For me the bottom line is responsibilty. Be responsible to stay away from the high risk drugs such as G.

I'm not too familiar with G. What harm does it do to ur body? I've seen people G-out, but I'm not sure what happens.



p.s. Excellent Thread

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