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Future Of Food video (degredation of food)

I talked about this a few months ago when some TAs here dismissed any of my points about how the food industry is going in a dangerous direction that is affecting our health, farmers, and nature in negative aspects.

This time I have a video for you guys to see:



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So, did anybody find this interesting? I am very shocked to see no responses. I thought TAs would care a lot more for the food on their table ;-) you guys wanna know whats in YOUR food?

I didn't watch the hippie liberal crap. But I prefer more research done in bioengineering. Think about this we can have as many lobsters, salmon, steaks and not harm nature.

Nature didn't expect human greed/fatass's to depleet almost all food sources.

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Originally posted by metalgearsolid I didn't watch the hippie liberal crap. But I prefer more research done in bioengineering. Think about this we can have as many lobsters, salmon, steaks and not harm nature. Nature didn't expect human greed/fatass's to depleet almost all food sources.

You didn't watch it - its not hippie crap or liberal (it doesnt distinguish between republicans or democrats), its about the dangers of genetic engineering and depletion of natural resources (which affect the amounts of your lobsters, salmon, steaks available) amd the threat to human health.

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Originally posted by Magnetonium You didn't watch it - its not hippie crap or liberal (it doesnt distinguish between republicans or democrats), its about the dangers of genetic engineering and depletion of natural resources (which affect the amounts of your lobsters, salmon, steaks available) amd the threat to human health.

bunch of BS anyways. Just a bunch of people trying to instill fear. These fear mongers should be killed.

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Originally posted by metalgearsolid bunch of BS anyways. Just a bunch of people trying to instill fear. These fear mongers should be killed.

They're not instilling fear, they describe the situation as it is, no ifs or buts. Since you haven't seen the complete video, there's no point in arguing you. I rest my case ;-)

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Originally posted by Magnetonium They're not instilling fear, they describe the situation as it is, no ifs or buts. Since you haven't seen the complete video, there's no point in arguing you. I rest my case ;-)

They are trying to instill fear, highlighting only the negative effects that have arisen. Yes i agree we need tighter control over this industry but theyres just no way to sustainably feed 6 billion people my friend. You can have your 100% organic dinner tonight, but the hungry people all around the world will be thankful if they can get a piece of dirty, genetically modified, bacteria infected bread. Tighter control? Yes. More research? Yes. Attempts at sustainable development when possible? Yes. Just outright ban it because its 'evil' and 'unnatural', thats just selfish and irresponsible.

I think I know where this is going without having to watch something over an HOUR long!

The first line already tips it off, "We used to be a nation of farmers but now it's less than 2% of the population so a lot of us don't know what it takes to grow food".

I'm going to guess that the rest of the video is about how genetic engineered plants are killing off all the natural ones?

As long as we have good samples of non-altered plants stored off to the side, I don't see a problem with creating better ones?

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If I'm wrong then fine, however how about a little summarization to save some of us the time without having to watch the WHOLE thing??

^ yea I dont see whats wrong with Gen Mod Plants lets say they are made to give off more Nutrients?

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Originally posted by Fir3start3r I'm going to guess that the rest of the video is about how genetic engineered plants are killing off all the natural ones?

It's not that easy to destroy these genetically altered foods once they multiply in nature. Its an irreversible process.

But thats not the main topic. The video also talks about how the farmers are getting pushed out by companies like Monsanto, how Monsanto, which was a pesticide company, bought out all major seed companies and now has a monopoly. Also DVD talks about suicide gene technology - how you have to buy seeds every year because at the end of the year the seeds kill themselves (HOW SICK IS THAT, AGAINST EVOLUTION???), etc. etc.

Believe me, this is no conspiracy theory stuff, this is very educational material. I recommend you to watch this. If you liked The Corporation, you'd like this - its very similar.

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Originally posted by Magnetonium Believe me, this is no conspiracy theory stuff, this is very educational material. I recommend you to watch this. If you liked The Corporation, you'd like this - its very similar.

Does it pose any solutions? If not i have no time for empty rethoric.

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Originally posted by venomX Does it pose any solutions? If not i have no time for empty rethoric.

Solution: Support your local farmers and buy organic food, do not use Monsanto products (because they might sue you), among some other things.

This has more educational information than offering solutions. You can come up with your own solutions after watching this.

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Originally posted by Magnetonium Solution: Support your local farmers and buy organic food, do not use Monsanto products (because they might sue you), among some other things. This has more educational information than offering solutions. You can come up with your own solutions after watching this.

LOL, sure, ill buy it when they can deliver organic food for 6 billion people. Educational? We are all aware of the dangers of GE plants, we know that corporations have an enourmous amount of leverage in our current world. But support local farmers? If we were to eat only organic food you couldnt even feed the US alone, imagine trying 6 billion people. The world can not support sutainably 6 billion people with just organic food, and evolution takes too long. You take away all the GE food, all of our farming advances and you'll have a breakdown in civilization. Why? When people can eat, when people start dying off everywhere in the world, no ones going to be thinking about democracy, no ones going to be thinking about ethics, morals. No. They are going to be thinking about food, and feeding themselves. In the past, many civilizations have vanished because they raped their environment and in the end could not feed their people. Right now GE plants and more research into making are soil more productive in order to try and glimpse how we could feed our population without destroying the earth is the best chance we have. Support your local farmers? Yeah, that'll work for the few wealthy enough to afford it.

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Originally posted by Magnetonium Solution: Support your local farmers and buy organic food, do not use Monsanto products (because they might sue you), among some other things. This has more educational information than offering solutions. You can come up with your own solutions after watching this.

Don't get me wrong, I try and eat organic food all the time (they're just taster somehow) but GE food is also needed to sustain a growing population.
That's doesn't make it evil, just needs to be better controlled apparently...

I buy organic foods and foods from local farmers.

Oh, and I heard most estimates suggest that by 2050 there will be close to 10 billion people or something like that. And waybe by 2100 there will be ...

Do the math ;-) no genetic engineering is going to solve the shortage of food on the planet. But the abuse of soil, environment, air, water will only decrease the remaining arable land, like like its happening in Asia and Africa (where Sahara desert has doubled in the last 2000 years). Humans fault for cutting the trees down that stop the spread of the desert!

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Originally posted by Magnetonium I buy organic foods and foods from local farmers. Oh, and I heard most estimates suggest that by 2050 there will be close to 10 billion people or something like that. And waybe by 2100 there will be ... Do the math ;-) no genetic engineering is going to solve the shortage of food on the planet. But the abuse of soil, environment, air, water will only decrease the remaining arable land, like like its happening in Asia and Africa (where Sahara desert has doubled in the last 2000 years). Humans fault for cutting the trees down that stop the spread of the desert!

I would really like an intelligent conversation on the topic but its way too difficult if you dont state your points of view. I mean what are you suggesting then, just stop GE and go all organic? Did you know that organic farming also rapes the land and depeletes the soil, and also causes erosion? Why not just control the industry and look for better technology? Who can you support the idea that no technology is going to be able to help us create sustainable development, i mean you've said nothing with this post.

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Originally posted by venomX I would really like an intelligent conversation on the topic but its way too difficult if you dont state your points of view. I mean what are you suggesting then, just stop GE and go all organic? Did you know that organic farming also rapes the land and depeletes the soil, and also causes erosion? Why not just control the industry and look for better technology? Who can you support the idea that no technology is going to be able to help us create sustainable development, i mean you've said nothing with this post.

Farming in general harms soil. I've only seen natives in South America to my knowledge who use a complex method that doesnt damage soil (described well in a book Last Hours Of Ancient Sunlight by Thom Hartmann).

I am not all against genetic engineered foods. I praised hybrid farming techniques. Its all the biological and genetical DNA and structure changes done to plants that makes me and others worried. It is weakening the plants, and making them succeptable to disease that can wipe out entire agriculture, and then there's super bugs than now require much more pesticides, more work ... and all that ends up in your water, food, air ... its a long topic, just watch the video please ;-)

First, we need to immediately stop destroying environment (cutting down rainforest, release of pollution and chemicals in water and air, abuse of soil, etc). Secondly, we need to decrease the world population. Third, we need to devise better educational programs and system to protect the environment, because it is the most important thing - when it is damaged beyond repair we will not only destroy ourselves but all other life.

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Originally posted by Magnetonium [COLOR=FF7F50] Farming in general harms soil. I've only seen natives in South America to my knowledge who use a complex method that doesnt damage soil (described well in a book Last Hours Of Ancient Sunlight by Thom Hartmann).

That's gold. Ever read any books on crop rotation? (tought to every man, woman and child with a 3rd grade education). Yeah, that's sarcasm. I'm layin' it on pretty thick.

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Originally posted by Magnetonium Secondly, we need to decrease the world population.

I'm guessing that you are one of those stupid people who believes that 90& of the world's population should be dead.

And who will decide who survives? Want to know why you people want 90& of the world's population dead. Because the 10% leftover will be 2.2% minority and the rest will be white.

What is wrong with this planet is white ppl. Kill em all.

they say imitation is the greatest form of flattery

just dont go bringing down my cred here with your average posts metalgear

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Originally posted by Shakka That's gold. Ever read any books on crop rotation? (tought to every man, woman and child with a 3rd grade education). Yeah, that's sarcasm. I'm layin' it on pretty thick.

I didnt say anything about that - actually, not many farmers rotate crops anymore, its not economically possible for them all. And maybe you were taught about it, but not everyone knows about it and certainly not all farmers follow it.

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Originally posted by metalgearsolid I'm guessing that you are one of those stupid people who believes that 90& of the world's population should be dead. And who will decide who survives? Want to know why you people want 90& of the world's population dead. Because the 10% leftover will be 2.2% minority and the rest will be white. What is wrong with this planet is white ppl. Kill em all.

sigh. Let me say it again "WE NEED TO DECREASE THE WORLD'S POPULATION." I didnt say KILL the world population.

We need a new working solution to slow the population explosion.

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Originally posted by Shakka That's gold. Ever read any books on crop rotation? (tought to every man, woman and child with a 3rd grade education). Yeah, that's sarcasm. I'm layin' it on pretty thick.

Yeah, they might teach that in your country, but what about teaching to avoid soil erosion, desertification, pollution of air and water supplies, that cutting down trees damages soil, etc. ...

I avoid geneticaly modified food whenever I can. Unfortunately, being a college student, I can't affort to eat organic all the time. I saw this some time ago, don't remember when exactly. Most of the material wasn't really that new to me, but I'd highly recommend it to others here. And no, I'm not a liberal hippie. I don't believe in unecessarily meddling with nature and upseting it's delicate balance, it usually has a way of kicking you in the ass later. And for all of you guys who think GMO are the solution to starvation, that's quite ludicrous. The motivation for creating GMOs is purely profit driven, at the expense of a natural healthy diet which is what your system is designed to consume to properly maintain it. GMOs help put great sums of money in the pockets of shareholders, not food on the table for the poor and starving. Plus, it's quite nonsensical to criticize it before even having watched it.

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