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People who are ignorant of their "own" culture

Met this "italian" girl who said that italians arent latin...

uh... yeah ok...

LOL!

I didnt even dare ask her what part of italy she was from (probably woodbridge!) hahahah

I thought our culture was Canadian.

What is the point of this thread?

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Originally posted by Cosmic Fur What is the point of this thread?

a conversation that i had that pissed me off in a way. People in canada run around insisting they are "italian" or whatever and dont even know what it actually means.

It's really sad

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Originally posted by Jayx1 a conversation that i had that pissed me off in a way. People in canada run around insisting they are "italian" or whatever and dont even know what it actually means. It's really sad

You mean their 'heritage'...

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Originally posted by EvilTree You mean their 'heritage'...

heritage, culture, whatever they want to call it.

Whenever i travel and say im canadian its treated with awe and respect. And then you get everyone here who uses the word canadian as an insult, meanwhile THEY ARE CANADIAN. I just got really pissed off at the conversation i had this weekend.

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Originally posted by Cosmic Fur What is the point of this thread?

Since when do half the threads have a point on TA?

And Jayx1, i agree, i meet people all the time that are like "im italian/portugese/scotish/etc..." implying they have like a great grandparent that was born in italy, and think it automatically makes them italian in turn, yet most of them know nothing of the culture, traditions or language out side of what they see in movies.

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Originally posted by lopi Since when do half the threads have a point on TA? And Jay, i agree, i meet people all the time that are like "im italian/portugese/scotish/etc..." implying they have like a great grandparent that was born in italy, and think it automatically makes them italian in turn, yet most of them know nothing of the culture, traditions or language out side of what they see in movies.

what makes it worse is how they insist on how "european" they are and then use the term canadian as if its an insult.

Thats when i get into history and explain exactly why the so called "mange cakes" are actually more european than italians, greeks etc will ever be.

We are all canadian and i wish people would teach their kids that. Im really sick of the ignorance when it comes to that mentality.

No kidding.
And another thing that particularily irks me, is when those same people try to argue with you, and try to make it seem like they actually know something about said heritage/culture, when in fact they are just talking out of their ass.

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Originally posted by Cosmic Fur What is the point of this thread?

Ooops. He should've said he was pregnant, that would have had a point!



Anyhow, I totally agree with you Jay. I don't understand people like that. They don't speak the language, have never been there, have one great great grandparent who was from Italy/Portugal/Spain/France/whatever, and all of a sudden they're claiming that country as theirs. I don't really mind if you say you're from a certain country if you were born there! And lived there for a little bit... otherwise, if you were born in Canada, I'm sorry but you ARE Canadian! Be proud of Canada dammit! Loads of people love it so much they'll try anything to live here and they're using the word Canadian like it's an insult

and its not like they even have to be born there, like im sure there are people (like my little brother) that were born in canada but both parents grew up/were born in said country, and have taken the time to educate their child about their culture. but FFS dont be an ignorant prick about it if u dont actually know anything about the culture and just use your far off distant relative as a back to insult the people in the country you live in. i just dont understand why any one would do that.
if you dont like canada, move.

I for one am NOT ignorant to my culture.

But on a side note, I do think some people are ignorant how to treat other people with respect and kindness.


here's an article :

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Left to starve (Tuesday 12 September 2006) INTERVIEW: Melanie McGrath by IAN SINCLAIR INTERVIEW: IAN SINCLAIR talks to MELANIE McGRATH about the Inuit that Canada cast into the frozen wasteland. Every nation tells itself stories to make itself feel better. Canadians seems to be better at this than most, tending to define themselves in opposition to their more powerful, aggressive southern neighbour. Although Canada has always prided itself on not having had an indigenous peoples' genocide like the United States, Melanie McGrath says that the "Canadians still have their skeletons in the cupboard." In her new book The Long Exile, McGrath cuts through the popular mythology that clouds our understanding of Canadian history by telling the story of what the head of the 1993 commission on aboriginal peoples called "one of the worst human rights violations in the history of Canada." The story begins with the film-maker Robert Flaherty travelling to the Arctic in the early 1920s to make Nanook of the North, now seen as one of the greatest documentaries ever made, lauded by such cinema greats as John Huston and Orson Welles. Before he returned south, he had a brief affair with an Inuit woman and fathered a son. Flaherty's son Josephie was raised as an Inuit in the settlement of Inukjuak in northern Quebec, which had come to be seen as a problem by the Canadian government by the 1950s. Concerned about the Inuits' dependency on government welfare, which, in itself, was a product of white peoples' historical interference, it was decided to relocate a number of Inuit to more northern location. In July 1953, having been deceived and pressured by local officials, 33 Inuit were transported over 1,000 miles north to settlements on Ellesmere Island. Josephie and his family followed two years later. McGrath argues: "The decision to move them at all was something to do with the welfare issue, but the decision to move them to the High Arctic that caused them so much suffering was to do with geopolitics." They chose the High Arctic because "the Canadian sovereignty over those areas was questionable." Indeed, since World War II, the United States had become increasingly interested in the Arctic as a military base to counter the Russian "threat," with more US citizens stationed in the Canadian Arctic during this period than Canadian citizens. "The shocking thing was, there was no malice," says McGrath. In fact, "quite a lot of them (the Canadian administrators involved in the enforced relocation) were avowed socialists." The problem was that "they still came with these wonderful colonial ideas of the Inuit being children." Although McGrath's previous book, the bestselling family memoir Silvertown, is set a world away in the East End of London, she believes that a common thread runs through her work. "Families, who, through no fault of their own, find themselves in incredibly difficult circumstances. Who, either through malice or ignorance, find themselves exploited or dispossessed in some way," she says. Arriving without adequate clothing, housing or hunting equipment in the most isolated and northerly settlement in the High Arctic, Josephie and the other Inuit struggled to survive from the start. In perpetual darkness for four months of the year and constantly on the edge of starvation, they were, at times, forced to eat their own dogs and reduced to scavenging for food in the rubbish dump of the nearby air base. Living in these alien, extreme conditions produced an unnaturally high infant mortality rate among the Inuit and, with the Canadian government refusing to allow him to return home, Josephie's mental health slowly deteriorated. He started becoming violent towards his family and suffered a mental breakdown in 1968, dying in 1984. Throughout this period, the Canadian media produced reports which closely followed government press releases, ignoring or downplaying the terrible conditions in the north. McGrath thinks that this was "because no one actually went up there. Part of the problem is that you can't travel on your own. It's just too dangerous. It was sort of the original embedded journalism if you like. There was no-one independent." Remarkably, even without extensive support from the south, by organising and agitating, the Inuit managed to get a hearing for their case at the 1993 royal commission on aboriginal peoples. The commission found in their favour and, although the Canadian government has never offered a formal apology, a $10 million heritage fund was set up to compensate the families who had been forcibly relocated. McGrath is in awe of this "tiny group of people, who were, for the most part, illiterate" and "completely disenfranchised. It took them 40 years, but they made themselves heard." Today, McGrath believes "Canadians remain extraordinarily ignorant of the north," which is becoming "increasingly important in environmental terms and in terms of natural resources." She points to the creation in 1999 of the mammoth Inuit state of Nunavut - "the only semi-autonomous area created in a Western state for indigenous people" - as evidence of how far Inuit rights have progressed but also notes the continuing "problems with alcohol, substance abuse and a high suicide rate. Problems of indigenous people throughout the world." Indeed, the dispossessed Inuit to whom McGrath gives a voice are the same "unpeople" as the indigenous population of Diego Garcia that the historian Mark Curtis shines a light on - those "whose lives are deemed worthless, expendable in the pursuit of power and commercial gain." Carefully plotted, with well-timed, extraordinary anecdotes, such as the story of the Inuit man who came across his father's skeleton in a New York museum, The Long Exile reads like a novel, with all the subtleties, contradictions and thought-provoking insights that good literature provides. McGrath concludes: "I liked the story because it wasn't about bad guys and good guys. It was a story about people making assumptions about what other people want. In a democracy, you can't do that. You have to ask people what they want."

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Originally posted by Jayx1 Met this "italian" girl who said that italians arent latin... uh... yeah ok... LOL! I didnt even dare ask her what part of italy she was from (probably woodbridge!) hahahah

one, The title should be person, not people.

And two how one goes about defining their person and their worldview is entirely up to their choosing. If someone wants to consider themselves a product of Italian parents, in a Toronto, who surrounds themselves within a unicultural friends and family cirle is their choice.

What differance does it make if someone was born here or not, sure there are people who play off like they are god gifts to their parents homeland, and then there are those, of which there are many who actually study, understand, practise and perpetuate the cultural of their previous generations.

hmmm.. The "jewish" people...now again, unlike your generalistion, I will not peg all people as guilty of this but there are plently within your little realm of theory within this cultural group who are guilty of this....driving down Bayview, seeing posters for UJA....that is unreal to me, I dont need to see that......where does that fall in your logic...or the fact that Jewish people play off that they are Jewish yet they have not practised their relgion in years...so then they fall on the a-religious side of the Jewish people, yet again they know NOTHING about it, NOTHING....(apparently I am allowwed to cite 1 person and generalise) one of my female "jewish" friends...we laugh when she tells people that she is Jewish...she never goes to synagogue, she proclaims that she would never date/marry a jewish guy, she does not speak the lanuage, cannot read....yet when asked she says she is Jewish....


anyways...to be "Canadian" is a term which, like considering oneself, for example to be Italian, is again entirly up to their own choice, it is how each individual defines themselves. If it bothers you that we as a society dont wake up and pledge allegence to our flag...get over it or better yet move to the States.

Your statement and generalisations are tactless and ignorant and this thread is borderline....

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Originally posted by Jayx1 I didnt even dare ask her what part of italy she was from (probably woodbridge!) hahahah

Woodbridge is not in Italy, it is in Woodbridge, Ontario.

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Originally posted by 7-4-7 Woodbridge is not in Italy, it is in Woodbridge, Ontario.

that was the point of the joke

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Originally posted by 7-4-7 one, The title should be person, not people.

except that i have conversations like this all the time with such people.

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And two how one goes about defining their person and their worldview is entirely up to their choosing. If someone wants to consider themselves a product of Italian parents, in a Toronto, who surrounds themselves within a unicultural friends and family cirle is their choice.

agreed.. but do yourself a favour and educate yourself on that culture first of all. And second, dont use the word canadian as an insult when you happen to be one yourself.

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What differance does it make if someone was born here or not, sure there are people who play off like they are god gifts to their parents homeland, and then there are those, of which there are many who actually study, understand, practise and perpetuate the cultural of their previous generations.

Its cool to take pride in your heritage, but not at the expense of your home country (canada) and others who share canada as their identity. Just like i want Canadians to learn from the good ideas of other cultures and vice versa. Understanding a diverse culture is important.

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[hmmm.. The "jewish" people...now again, unlike your generalistion, I will not peg all people as guilty of this but there are plently within your little realm of theory within this cultural group who are guilty of this....driving down Bayview, seeing posters for UJA....that is unreal to me, I dont need to see that......where does that fall in your logic...or the fact that Jewish people play off that they are Jewish yet they have not practised their relgion in years...so then they fall on the a-religious side of the Jewish people, yet again they know NOTHING about it, NOTHING....(apparently I am allowwed to cite 1 person and generalise) one of my female "jewish" friends...we laugh when she tells people that she is Jewish...she never goes to synagogue, she proclaims that she would never date/marry a jewish guy, she does not speak the lanuage, cannot read....yet when asked she says she is Jewish....

so you basically are saying that you understand my arguement about people pretending to be something they are not. So whats the problem?

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anyways...to be "Canadian" is a term which, like considering oneself, for example to be Italian, is again entirly up to their own choice, it is how each individual defines themselves. If it bothers you that we as a society dont wake up and pledge allegence to our flag...get over it or better yet move to the States.

again, its the fact that these people eat breathe and live canadian yet put others down for identifying themselves as canadian. Woodbridge is hilarious for this. There is nothing more Canadian than living in a house with a big backyard, driving and SUV and shopping at a mall yet those people have the nerve to put down "Canadians" because they arent "european" enough. It boggles my mind.

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Your statement and generalisations are tactless and ignorant and this thread is borderline....

your statement about your "jewish" friend is almost identical to the statement i made about the "italian"

holy quoting batman

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Originally posted by 7-4-7 one, The title should be person, not people. And two how one goes about defining their person and their worldview is entirely up to their choosing. If someone wants to consider themselves a product of Italian parents, in a Toronto, who surrounds themselves within a unicultural friends and family cirle is their choice. What differance does it make if someone was born here or not, sure there are people who play off like they are god gifts to their parents homeland, and then there are those, of which there are many who actually study, understand, practise and perpetuate the cultural of their previous generations. hmmm.. The "jewish" people...now again, unlike your generalistion, I will not peg all people as guilty of this but there are plently within your little realm of theory within this cultural group who are guilty of this....driving down Bayview, seeing posters for UJA....that is unreal to me, I dont need to see that......where does that fall in your logic...or the fact that Jewish people play off that they are Jewish yet they have not practised their relgion in years...so then they fall on the a-religious side of the Jewish people, yet again they know NOTHING about it, NOTHING....(apparently I am allowwed to cite 1 person and generalise) one of my female "jewish" friends...we laugh when she tells people that she is Jewish...she never goes to synagogue, she proclaims that she would never date/marry a jewish guy, she does not speak the lanugage, cannot read....yet when asked she says she is Jewish.... anyways...to be "Canadian" is a term which, like considering oneself, for example to be Italian, is again entirly up to their own choice, it is how each individual defines themselves. If it bothers you that we as a society dont wake up and pledge allegence to our flag...get over it or better yet move to the States. Your statement and generalisations are tactless and ignorant and this thread is borderline....

First off, it should be people because there is more than one person in this country who is completely ignorant of their culture and yet claim to be from that country.

Second, how is this thread borderline anything? Yeah it's annoying when people who are born into your country, claim your nationality, use your country's medical care system, etc turn around and say "Well I'm not Canadian, I'm ...". No you're not. You're not Italian, you have a Canadian passport, you take advantage of everything Canada has to offer, you/your parents are born here, YOU ARE CANADIAN.

Why do people insist on denying that fact? Should I ever become Canadian, I would say I am Canadian. I will tell my kids their background is Belgian but would make it quite clear that this is their country.

(And btw last i checked, being Jewish means you practice Judaism which is a religion. Completely different topic.)

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Originally posted by loca First off, it should be people because there is more than one person in this country who is completely ignorant of their culture and yet claim to be from that country. Second, how is this thread borderline anything? Yeah it's annoying when people who are born into your country, claim your nationality, use your country's medical care system, etc turn around and say "Well I'm not Canadian, I'm ...". No you're not. You're not Italian, you have a Canadian passport, you take advantage of everything Canada has to offer, you/your parents are born here, YOU ARE CANADIAN. Why do people insist on denying that fact? Should I ever become Canadian, I would say I am Canadian. I will tell my kids their background is Belgian but would make it quite clear that this is their country. (And btw last i checked, being Jewish means you practice Judaism which is a religion. Completely different topic.)

How would you feel if you met a full on canadian who insisted they were belgian? I bet it would rightly piss you off wouldnt it? But, according to "italians", belgians arent european like they are LOL

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Originally posted by Jayx1 How would you feel if you met a full on canadian who insisted they were belgian? I bet it would rightly piss you off wouldnt it? But, according to "italians", belgians arent european like they are LOL

BUAHAHAHAHAHA well they can bite me! That's like saying France isn't European. There's a reason we have the European Parliament in Brussels. What a bunch of fucktards.

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Originally posted by loca BUAHAHAHAHAHA well they can bite me! That's like saying France isn't European. There's a reason we have the European Parliament in Brussels. What a bunch of fucktards.

next time an "italian" tries to tell you that you arent european enough, just pull out that map where it shows italy as part of the byzantine and ottoman empire and explain to them that they are dark because the byzantines raped their ancestors. That will shut them up!

hahaha

educate yourself as much as possible, i know a hell of a lot about croatian history, but im sure there's still things out there i dont know. we're constantly learning.

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Originally posted by MikeyN educate yourself as much as possible, i know a hell of a lot about croatian history, but im sure there's still things out there i dont know. we're constantly learning.

agreed!

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Originally posted by Jayx1 next time an "italian" tries to tell you that you arent european enough, just pull out that map where it shows italy as part of the byzantine and ottoman empire and explain to them that they are dark because the byzantines raped their ancestors. That will shut them up! hahaha

I laugh. You are pathetic and offensive.

I was going to get in it with you but you are not worth my time, you are not constructive, you are offensive.

I had said that this thread was borderline...it has now crossed that line.

Ciao.

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Originally posted by 7-4-7 Woodbridge is not in Italy, it is in Woodbridge, Ontario.

quite dense aren't u.....glad u cleared that up for us

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