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can anyone post samples of quick cut transitions?

ive dabbled in this concept but i cant get it to sound right. only done so about two times correctly. maybe it doesnt work with all songs?

it doesn't work with all songs. but if you do it right i am sure you can make it sound cool for most. but yea, just find the right tracks and the right time to cut.

About 16 beats or so before a phrase with the cued track's bass all the way down slowly bring up the fader to the top, and on the begining of the next phrase, cut the live track and snap up the bass on the cued track at the same time. doesn't always sound good but you get the idea, thats just what i do.

has a lot to do with when you cut as well. normally, if the track you cut in has a big BANG sound when it hits, it will sound good.

cuts can also sound good if the playing track currently is weak, and you cut into something heavier. or try killing the bass for a bit, before you cut.

or... try to cut in your incoming track a few times, switching back to the current one, while keeping the incoming track without bass. then, when you do the final cut, throw in the bass EQ as well (easier to do with the crossfader than the volume faders)

i'd record something, but my mixer is currently wayyy too far from my PC.if no one has by the weekend, i will.

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Originally posted by Inertia has a lot to do with when you cut as well. normally, if the track you cut in has a big BANG sound when it hits, it will sound good. cuts can also sound good if the playing track currently is weak, and you cut into something heavier. or try killing the bass for a bit, before you cut. or... try to cut in your incoming track a few times, switching back to the current one, while keeping the incoming track without bass. then, when you do the final cut, throw in the bass EQ as well (easier to do with the crossfader than the volume faders) i'd record something, but my mixer is currently wayyy too far from my PC.if no one has by the weekend, i will.

Or if the track you're mixing in has a small break handy after the intro.

the hard cut: I would say use it sparingly.

PvD does way too many hard cuts in my opinion, mainly because he has to given that every other track is an explosive 'banger' and they sound like shit on top of eachother. I think it tears a set apart and makes it predictable.

However, used in the perfect place it can make someone shit themselves.

I think for hard cuts it really depends on the track that you're going to cut into. It has to have an intensity and style that merits the immediate termination of previous sound. For instance some tracks have little bar-long vaccuums of sound followed by a furious bulging section. In any case, I think if you're going to do a hard cut, it should be for drama's sake, for grabbing the listener or dancer by the balls, and like I said, it should be used on a limited basis, maybe building and building anticipation and suspense in a breakdown and then cut out a the perfect moment.

I've uploaded a sample for the topic creator to get an idea of how you would do a quick cut in good taste. this sample is part of my latest mix (you can find it in the dj promotion section) and i did it PVD style like nefardec was talking about...essentially I had 2 bangin tracks that would conflict if I overlapped them even though they're perfectly harmonic so i added a little flash and bang and made a quick cut and it sounds fine. cheers.

CLICK HERE FOR THE SAMPLE

Hi SPAWN, that sounds really nice. Are you doing that effect before the new track slams in using Ableton? It's similar to a trick I keep hearing that I can't replicate at home. I can come close (ish!) using wah, I've been meaning to post a sample & ask how it was done for some time

Thanks

Hard cuts of 4x4 beats going into breaks or vice versa can sound fucking awesome.

Spawn, nice sample, although i think the track you're cutting in is a bit too loud in comparison to the previous, making the cut a bit violent. or maybe it's just me.

otherwise, very nicely illustrated. as heard on this sample, you can combine cuts with fades for more options. when i layer a track over another, slowly fading it in, i sometimes have them both playing full blast. i like to switch the bass to my incoming track, so it takes dominance, and the outgoing one is in the background. cut the dominant track for a bit, and then cut it back in, on time of course, for a nice teasing effect.

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Originally posted by Inertia Spawn, nice sample, although i think the track you're cutting in is a bit too loud in comparison to the previous, making the cut a bit violent. or maybe it's just me.

thats the point, it gets the dance floor going. also it happens to be a part in my mix thats been building towards up until that point if that makes any sense.

yah, i know, but if it were a slight bit quieter it would be smoother, while still achieving that effect, IMO.

then again, i am a level freak, and try to have ALL my tracks on the exact same marker on the VU meter

No need to dip levels when doing a cut.

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Originally posted by Inertia yah, i know, but if it were a slight bit quieter it would be smoother, while still achieving that effect, IMO. then again, i am a level freak, and try to have ALL my tracks on the exact same marker on the VU meter

right but my levelling throughout the mix was intentional. its too easy to do the typical route of having unchanging levels throughout the mix to make it "smooth" so trying to be different I actually use the levels to emphasize progression. you can have a listen to my mix in the promotion forum if youd like. traditionalist views may not agree with this but i feel like its a bit of creativity...but im going off topic here

I use a lot of cuts when I DJ (I play electro house). A good way to get it to sound smoother is to time it so you cut out the outgoing track at the peak of a...how can I describe this...the sweeping up sound that you hear in so many tracks that often marks the transition from the intro to the meat of the track. boost the mids on the track with the sweep and gradually cut those from the outgoing track, so the sweeping sound starts to become more prevalent in what you are hearing. when the sweep completes, cut the outgoing track, and as you do that the bassline or w/e in the new track should hit at that exact moment. Sorry if any of this was confusing.

I can post a sample later (I'm at a computer lab w/o my precious Mac).

Great thread here....get to hear a little of everyones techniques

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Originally posted by punjabi I use a lot of cuts when I DJ (I play electro house). A good way to get it to sound smoother is to time it so you cut out the outgoing track at the peak of a...how can I describe this...the sweeping up sound that you hear in so many tracks that often marks the transition from the intro to the meat of the track. boost the mids on the track with the sweep and gradually cut those from the outgoing track, so the sweeping sound starts to become more prevalent in what you are hearing. when the sweep completes, cut the outgoing track, and as you do that the bassline or w/e in the new track should hit at that exact moment. Sorry if any of this was confusing. I can post a sample later (I'm at a computer lab w/o my precious Mac).

Little noob interjection here. As mentioned above, using the "sweeping up sound" before a cut sounds great. My question: Could this be the time and place to use a sample of said "sweeping up sound" to produce that effect?

thanks

ofcourse! remember when it comes to mixing there's no set rules. maybe for one dj this sort of thing doesnt sound good or work well but for another dj its his key technique know what i mean?

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Originally posted by SPAWNmaster I've uploaded a sample for the topic creator to get an idea of how you would do a quick cut in good taste. this sample is part of my latest mix (you can find it in the dj promotion section) and i did it PVD style like nefardec was talking about...essentially I had 2 bangin tracks that would conflict if I overlapped them even though they're perfectly harmonic so i added a little flash and bang and made a quick cut and it sounds fine. cheers. CLICK HERE FOR THE SAMPLE

Hey dude,

Is it ok if I give a bit of input.

The track you were mixing out of gave you a great opportunity to do the mix about 16 or so earlier and the over all effect would have been greater if you had used the natural break created by the outgoing track. Does this make sense, it would have turned what was a pretty good transition into mustard. You would need to start mixing a little earlier but it allows you to be very mean with the incoming track up until the point where the outgoing does that first break.

Well done for posting an example. Much respect.

Cheers
Nem

http://707techno.com/mixes/Jakor/quickclip.mp3
1Mb
~1Min Length

I just through together this mix really quick. Used the two songs together before, but thought they went together nice.

Second Wave into White Flame

Throw me feedback as I'm quite new to mixing.

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Originally posted by Nemesis44 Hey dude, Is it ok if I give a bit of input. The track you were mixing out of gave you a great opportunity to do the mix about 16 or so earlier and the over all effect would have been greater if you had used the natural break created by the outgoing track. Does this make sense, it would have turned what was a pretty good transition into mustard. You would need to start mixing a little earlier but it allows you to be very mean with the incoming track up until the point where the outgoing does that first break. Well done for posting an example. Much respect. Cheers Nem

Thanks for your input Nem, your opinion is always greatly appreciated. That's definately an interesting take and your right I would have needed to start mixing out earlier to make the cut on the natural break. I'll def try it out as soon as I get back to north america (and to the studio ). Part of the progression of the set itself involved giving tracks longer playouts anyways so this particular mix ended up great anyways but I'm sure what you're suggesting would sound bang on.

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http://707techno.com/mixes/Jakor/quickclip.mp3 1Mb ~1Min Length I just through together this mix really quick. Used the two songs together before, but thought they went together nice. Second Wave into White Flame Throw me feedback as I'm quite new to mixing.

Had a listen and I think its a good example for this thread. Were you intentionally trying to drop the energy in the mix? I think this would be a GREAT mix to achieve that for the floor since the tracks werent in the same key. Worked out great though imho. Sometimes its mixes just like this that can wake up the floor from a monotonous groove (the DJ's worst nightmare...).

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Originally posted by SPAWNmaster Thanks for your input Nem, your opinion is always greatly appreciated. That's definately an interesting take and your right I would have needed to start mixing out earlier to make the cut on the natural break. I'll def try it out as soon as I get back to north america (and to the studio ). Part of the progression of the set itself involved giving tracks longer playouts anyways so this particular mix ended up great anyways but I'm sure what you're suggesting would sound bang on.

I hear ya,

The reason though is basically when you do that type of mix, it's basically to avoid the other tune playing out too much, thus taking control of the music and engery.

As a general rule, I try to avoid having just beats mixing in a set unless something really dramatic happens at the start of the new track for example the intro to relocate's 'waterfall'.

Cheers
Nem

i do my quick transitions like this. havent done a mix in over a month felt good

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Originally posted by dj_kane i do my quick transitions like this. havent done a mix in over a month felt good [[ LINK REMOVED ]]

That's a good transition, I tend to favour that a lot, especially on the dancefloor, it works very well.

Cheers
Nem

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Originally posted by dj_kane i do my quick transitions like this. havent done a mix in over a month felt good [[ LINK REMOVED ]]

Nice one, I did a similar mix recently from Exactly into Lift. Something about that type of bass that lends itself very well to that type of mixing.

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