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Do you support racial profiling of Arabs/Muslims?

Hey everybody. I know I hardly ever post in the COR, and alot of you probably don't browse PDD much eigther. So I'm making this thread since I wanted as many people as possible for a poll instead of just restricting the number of participants to regular PDD posters and browsers. You can cast your vote over here:

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is this 24 related ? lol

voiced my opinion

It makes me wonder: when did Muslim become a race? Ah, the wonders of prejudice...

no i do not support it.

just read about the Raed Jarrar story a few days ago.

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Originally posted by Lira It makes me wonder: when did Muslim become a race? Ah, the wonders of prejudice...

racial profiling is a methodology that takes common traits and behaviors of a group and uses those to help heighten awareness. The law must still be observed but border guards such as airport security have more leeway regarding "probable cause" issues and what the technical definitions of constructive arrests are (removed from a public place and the feeling that you cannot leave - opposed to arrest as being told you are not free to leave)

The racial profiling title has actually never been part of the vernacular in legal situations. It is a negativism that was created out of the "profiling" that was introduced in the 70s it was I believe. They showed a disproportionate amount of ethnicities getting profiled.

These days its things like "Are they paying with cash, are they walking like they have balloons up their ass, are they nervous, is it a 1-way ticket" etc.

To show that it is racial in any way or written into the law is...illegal! and they wouldnt be stupid enough to do that as it violated numerous civil rights acts.

Racial profiling of muslims / middle easterners may seem to be happening but they might be exhibiting more of the red flag behaviors than someone else. Do you think it is unfair that people buying 1 way tickets to america from colombia and nicaragua get flagged as potential drug mules?

Someone and *It could be a white or black woman with babies* COMING from a geographic area known for producing a high threat level and exhibiting characteristics of a threat is very likely to get stopped as well.

It would be illegal and unconstitutional to do any sort of racial profiling...but geographic profiling with types of clothing worn, method of payment, general demeanor, is just fine.

Probable cause. PROBABLE.

I don't support putting a level 2 redundancy on federal agents with middle eastern backgrounds.

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Originally posted by Orbital32 I don't support putting a level 2 redundancy on federal agents with middle eastern backgrounds.

for real, it slows down the work in federal agencies.

Just a note to those of you obsessing over the semantics of the issue, Ethnic Profiling is generally the preferred phrase to describe the generally unacceptable practice of profiling solely based on:

1. Geographic Origins
2. Relgious Preference
3. Race

And while profiling based on #'s 2 & 3 certainly seems dubious to me - geographic profiling, in a limited sense, seems acceptable.

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Originally posted by RJT Just a note to those of you obsessing over the semantics of the issue, Ethnic Profiling is generally the preferred phrase to describe the generally unacceptable practice of profiling solely based on: 1. Geographic Origins 2. Relgious Preference 3. Race And while profiling based on #'s 2 & 3 certainly seems dubious to me - geographic profiling, in a limited sense, seems acceptable.

ohh so just because denys is from russia he's an alcoholic whore?... ohh wait that's true.

Racial profiling is bullshit.

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Originally posted by Orbax racial profiling is a methodology that takes common traits and behaviors of a group and uses those to help heighten awareness. The law must still be observed but border guards such as airport security have more leeway regarding "probable cause" issues and what the technical definitions of constructive arrests are (removed from a public place and the feeling that you cannot leave - opposed to arrest as being told you are not free to leave) The racial profiling title has actually never been part of the vernacular in legal situations. It is a negativism that was created out of the "profiling" that was introduced in the 70s it was I believe. They showed a disproportionate amount of ethnicities getting profiled. These days its things like "Are they paying with cash, are they walking like they have balloons up their ass, are they nervous, is it a 1-way ticket" etc. To show that it is racial in any way or written into the law is...illegal! and they wouldnt be stupid enough to do that as it violated numerous civil rights acts.

See, first, we've got a problem with the terminology...

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Originally posted by Orbax Racial profiling of muslims / middle easterners may seem to be happening but they might be exhibiting more of the red flag behaviors than someone else.

Not likely - how many Middle Easterners/Muslims/Arabs committed terrorist attacks in air planes so far? Now, compare that both to the number of terrorist attacks carried out by people who were not "Middle Easterners/Muslim/Arabs" and, more importantly, compare that to the "Middle Easterner/Muslim/Arab" population that have travelled by plane during the same period.

There was a thread in the PDD with all these numbers, and they were all ridiculously small.

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Originally posted by Lira There was a thread in the PDD with all these numbers, and they were all ridiculously small.

Of course they are. The same can be said about any other situation where you might feel like racially profiling. It's an easy method for making people feel safe, and it's an easy way to extract revenge for the ignorant.

Each time I've gone to the airport I've seen people of Middle Eastern decent being searched while people from all other cultures are waved on through. Do I feel any more safe getting on the plane? Hell no. The sad thing is, I'd be willing to bet that half of the people in line with me do.

it's cool with me. if i was arab, i would probably tell my people to stop instilling this image of, i dunno, "those things arabs do."
My culture in America (i'm hispanic)is represented by guys who can't speak english, are really good at jumping fences and a natural talent to paint and do landscaping. I don't tell people to stop judging my people, i tell my people to at least learn the fucking language

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Originally posted by idoru Of course they are. The same can be said about any other situation where you might feel like racially profiling. It's an easy method for making people feel safe, and it's an easy way to extract revenge for the ignorant. Each time I've gone to the airport I've seen people of Middle Eastern decent being searched while people from all other cultures are waved on through. Do I feel any more safe getting on the plane? Hell no. The sad thing is, I'd be willing to bet that half of the people in line with me do.

I always get randomly selected for extended screening and I make no fuss about it.
I cooperate and get the whole thing done with in no time at all while the other idiots are argueing with the security people about having to take their shoes off etc. ( I always end up being the first to get through when I am being screened ... I know the whole procedure by heart ... spread arn and legs, lift shoes, show front back of hands etc )

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Originally posted by SuspicionVandit it's cool with me. if i was arab, i would probably tell my people to stop instilling this image of, i dunno, "those things arabs do." My culture in America (i'm hispanic)is represented by guys who can't speak english, are really good at jumping fences and a natural talent to paint and do landscaping. I don't tell people to stop judging my people, i tell my people to at least learn the fucking language

A lot of the muslim community in the US is not stupid but came to the US because of higher education.
Are you saying they should deny their own cultures and native languages as to fit in and be less "profiled"?

I doesn't matter one single bit. Most people are so stupid they can't tell the different between skin colours nationalities etc and if they view someone as "Arab" they'll automatically think he is a bomber.


In the end racial profiling is just a piss poor fix to a poorly operated screening process in most airports around the world.
The TSA is so slow it's amazing. I want to smack some of these people at times.

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Originally posted by jdat I always get randomly selected for extended screening and I make no fuss about it. I cooperate and get the whole thing done with in no time at all while the other idiots are argueing with the security people about having to take their shoes off etc. ( I always end up being the first to get through when I am being screened ... I know the whole procedure by heart ... spread arn and legs, lift shoes, show front back of hands etc ) A lot of the muslim community in the US is not stupid but came to the US because of higher education. Are you saying they should deny their own cultures and native languages as to fit in and be less "profiled"?

no, not even when they come to this country. they want to build mosques in american, go ahead, free culture. but like, when CNN airs video of like, i dunno "Wolf Blitzer, special report in the middle east: dese guys is CRAZY!", demand either:
1. CNN replace all the "crazy" parts with peices from that Circus Circus commercial
2. stop feeding the world with reasons to be considered "OMG dose guys is CRAZY!"

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Originally posted by Lira See, first, we've got a problem with the terminology... Not likely - how many Middle Easterners/Muslims/Arabs committed terrorist attacks in air planes so far? Now, compare that both to the number of terrorist attacks carried out by people who were not "Middle Easterners/Muslim/Arabs" and, more importantly, compare that to the "Middle Easterner/Muslim/Arab" population that have travelled by plane during the same period. There was a thread in the PDD with all these numbers, and they were all ridiculously small.

youre right. We should target more 90 year old fisher-people from Greenland.

I always got my eye out for the lucky charms dude.

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Originally posted by Orbax youre right. We should target more 90 year old fisher-people from Greenland.

Unfortunately, your average fisherman from Greenland dies before turning 65

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Originally posted by SuspicionVandit no, not even when they come to this country. they want to build mosques in american, go ahead, free culture. but like, when CNN airs video of like, i dunno "Wolf Blitzer, special report in the middle east: dese guys is CRAZY!", demand either: 1. CNN replace all the "crazy" parts with peices from that Circus Circus commercial 2. stop feeding the world with reasons to be considered "OMG dose guys is CRAZY!"

????


Where does this type of statement come in to the notion that the US muslim population isn't blending into the melting pot?

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Originally posted by Lira Unfortunately, your average fisherman from Greenland dies before turning 65

I said fisherpeople because the women fish too and fishmen is sexist!

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Originally posted by Orbax I said fisherpeople because the women fish too and fishmen is sexist!

shut up facialist

While many of you on here are buys talking and arguing semantics and the terminology used to describe racial profiling, let me bring you the raw realities here.

I'm Arab, and Muslim. My dad is of Palestinian origin, and my mom is an American from southern South Dakota, USA. My mom is white, and for some reason I got the white gene as well. That doesn�t stop me from being put through �SSSS� or as airport employees like to refer to is as "Secondary" every time I go through a US airport.

I don't know where to start with all the ways this offends me, but I'll just put down a few thoughts here.

It has become apparent to me after traveling countless times that the majority of individuals with Middle Eastern, or Muslim names are put through SSSS, regardless. Women, children, elderly folk have all become subject to secondary screening at the discretion of the airlines and the US government. Why does this offend me? Well, perhaps that there were about 20 guys of Arab origin who conducted 911. TWENTY. Not two hundred. Not two thousand. Two million. Nope. 20 guys. To even insinuate that the rest of the Arab population is a threat is unconstitutional. It is the equivalent of saying every African American male within the US is a suspected murderer, gang banger, drug dealer, or *insert negative connotation here*, due to the fact that a minority of such men are guilty of such crimes.


The fact of the matter remains that Arabs and Muslims have been shunned of their constitutional rights under the legislation of the patriot act, and are no where near getting those rights back.
As in the case of Raed Jarrar's story, ignorance and racism have found their way into becoming part of American life, which unfortunately seems like it is here to stay.

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Originally posted by xiad While many of you on here are buys talking and arguing semantics and the terminology used to describe racial profiling, let me bring you the raw realities here.

While you bring us the raw realities here, don't forget that semantics and terminology are some of the most subtle tools responsible for such situation

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