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Jehovah's Witnesses - religious insanity?
I dont know how to do all that fancy quoting some of you do, but please read this article I woke up to on CBC.
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/british-co...sextuplets.html
I find this disgusting but resisting blood transfusions is apparently a religious belief that the parents feel was violated. How you could let your children die like that when they could easily have been saved is beyond me. I was friends with a JW in high school and he could never satisfactorily defend that particular belief of his.
Thoughts?
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| "[The mother] and I could not bear to be at the hospital when they were violating our little girl," he said in the affidavit. "We took our immense sadness and grief and tried to console each other in private." |
How do you explain that one when the kids are older?
"We tried to put you into God's hands, but the tyrranical government insisted we violate you and save your life."
All because of a book that was written before people knew what caused diseases.
I don't think any of us has the right to judge the belief of others, but in this instance, I have to agree with the actions that were taken. I am not a fan of any sort of religious fanaticism, and this lack of action by the parents just sickens me. Personally, I would think that the paternal instict to protect your child over-rules any sort of alternate belief or custom. But that's just me.
The world is full of backwards people living by archaic customs.
heard about this on the news yesterday and again this morning.
interesting situation.
im interested to hear more feedback on opinions. im not forming my final thoughts or stance on the matter yet, till ive thought about it more
double post, never mind.
Richard Dawkins - The God Delusion
Read it!
http://www.amazon.ca/God-Delusion-R...ie=UTF8&s=books
right to life > religeous right
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| Originally posted by Jem_hadar interesting situation. im interested to hear more feedback on opinions. |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses - religious insanity?
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| Originally posted by Dj Smitty20 I dont know how to do all that fancy quoting some of you do, but please read this article I woke up to on CBC. http://www.cbc.ca/canada/british-co...sextuplets.html I find this disgusting but resisting blood transfusions is apparently a religious belief that the parents feel was violated. How you could let your children die like that when they could easily have been saved is beyond me. I was friends with a JW in high school and he could never satisfactorily defend that particular belief of his. Thoughts? |
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| Originally posted by girllovingtvibe I thin Muzzybear would have something very interesting to share on this one..... |
Has anyone noticed how hot JWs are?? I'd love to invite them in for a REAL lesson in corruption.
And just so you know, there are other options for blood transfusions for Jehova's Witnesses. They store their own blood for later use...can't remember what it's called...I think a homologous transfusion? I'll look it up. But yeah, there ARE options that coincide with their beliefs.
edit: It's called an AUTOLOGOUS transfusion.
http://www.bloodbook.com/autolog-1.html
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| Originally posted by jennypie Has anyone noticed how hot JWs are?? I'd love to invite them in for a REAL lesson in corruption. And just so you know, there are other options for blood transfusions for Jehova's Witnesses. They store their own blood for later use...can't remember what it's called...I think a homologous transfusion? I'll look it up. But yeah, there ARE options that coincide with their beliefs. |
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| Originally posted by Dj Smitty20 how many of them actually store their own blood? The other options you speak of have something to do with plasma. My friend carried around a card (much like an organ donation card) that said if here to be injured and needed blood, NOT to perform the transfusion and let him die instead. I asked him if he would really let that happen and you know what, he didn't answer. So there you go. I'm sorry but it's a retarded belief. What other religions are against it? |
I love religious pacifists.
Once I got a JW to admit that he'd kill someone to protect his wife.
I have 5 generations of Witnesses in my family and have carried many of the beliefs, but cannot say "I'm a witness" because of my obvious lifestyle choices. Scripturally speaking, blood is sacred, and to take blood in any form is to nullify your faith in Jesus blood that he spilled for us.
I have a friend who was an emergency room nurse, and she approached me at a party and said she'd had 16 witnesses come thru emergency who refused blood transfusions. How many died? Not one. In fact, many doctors won't give their own families blood transfusions for their own safety. There are many alternatives like plasma or blood expanders and saline. Witnesses are discriminated against because of their beliefs, but more seriously, what this attacks is a Canadian's right to practice their religious beliefs. It was also noted that these transfusions given to the children didn't make a difference, and in fact, their bodies would have an additional battle against the foreign substance in their bodies.
Did you know that Pope John Paul II contracted hepatitis from the transfusion he received after being shot, prolonging his recovery by weeks? Think of the people who died slow, painful deaths after receiving blood transfusions and contracted the AIDS viruses. Would not other alternatives served them better? The Red Cross is a money making industry and doctors are pressured to keep the money flowing. Look into it.
My girlfriend (non-witness) hemorraged seriously during childbirth and when asked for a blood transfusion refused, and was asked "personal or religions reasons", told them "personal" and was granted options like saline and plasma with no issues.
My mother just completed chemo and radiation for cancer without any blood transfusions, and her own doctor has marvelled at her quick recovery and good health during these difficult procedures.
I have had "bloodless" surgery to remove my appendix, and was out of the hospital in a record 3 days (when I was in grade 6). The usual stay was 5 days with blood transfusions.
To tell someone in this country "you can't" when it's part of their religious beliefs is to go against one of the most fundamental things that makes us "free". That's what you should all be worried about.
And that's all I have to say about that!
but how can people decided (even parents) if a baby or a little child who has been injured or has a disease that can be cured via a blood tranfusion, should die instead.
What if these individuals grow up to be a teenager or adult and realise that the religion isn't for them (which has since happened to my ex friend)?
Call it what you will, but when (silly and unfounded) religious beliefs like these can determine the fate of a minor, the government needs to step in. And, in most cases, they will.
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| Originally posted by muzzybear I have 5 generations of Witnesses in my family and have carried many of the beliefs, but cannot say "I'm a witness" because of my obvious lifestyle choices. Scripturally speaking, blood is sacred, and to take blood in any form is to nullify your faith in Jesus blood that he spilled for us. I have a friend who was an emergency room nurse, and she approached me at a party and said she'd had 16 witnesses come thru emergency who refused blood transfusions. How many died? Not one. In fact, many doctors won't give their own families blood transfusions for their own safety. There are many alternatives like plasma or blood expanders and saline. Witnesses are discriminated against because of their beliefs, but more seriously, what this attacks is a Canadian's right to practice their religious beliefs. It was also noted that these transfusions given to the children didn't make a difference, and in fact, their bodies would have an additional battle against the foreign substance in their bodies. Did you know that Pope John Paul II contracted hepatitis from the transfusion he received after being shot, prolonging his recovery by weeks? Think of the people who died slow, painful deaths after receiving blood transfusions and contracted the AIDS viruses. Would not other alternatives served them better? The Red Cross is a money making industry and doctors are pressured to keep the money flowing. Look into it. My girlfriend (non-witness) hemorraged seriously during childbirth and when asked for a blood transfusion refused, and was asked "personal or religions reasons", told them "personal" and was granted options like saline and plasma with no issues. My mother just completed chemo and radiation for cancer without any blood transfusions, and her own doctor has marvelled at her quick recovery and good health during these difficult procedures. I have had "bloodless" surgery to remove my appendix, and was out of the hospital in a record 3 days (when I was in grade 6). The usual stay was 5 days with blood transfusions. To tell someone in this country "you can't" when it's part of their religious beliefs is to go against one of the most fundamental things that makes us "free". That's what you should all be worried about. And that's all I have to say about that! |
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| Originally posted by Dj Smitty20 (silly and unfounded) religious beliefs |
then if that is the case muzzy, do you support euthanasia? Of course you don't.
My grandmother has been battling a long lasting and very debilitating liver disease and has been having blood transfusions every 4-6 months for 7 years. It has kept her alive since 1999. Otherwise, she would have died at age 73. She is a devout Anglican and more importantly, wanted to see her grand kids grow up to adulthood. Are you going to tell me that she has "sinned"? Because that's precisely what my JW friend's mother told my father when she came to pick him up after school one time.
I couldn't believe the fucking nerve.
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| Originally posted by jennypie Who the hell are you to say that? |
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| Originally posted by Dj Smitty20 then if that is the case muzzy, do you support euthanasia? Of course you don't. My grandmother has been battling a long lasting and very debilitating liver disease and has been having blood transfusions every 4-6 months for 7 years. It has kept her alive since 1999. Otherwise, she would have died at age 73. She is a devout Anglican and more importantly, wanted to see her grand kids grow up to adulthood. Are you going to tell me that she has "sinned"? Because that's precisely what my JW friend's mother told my father when she came to pick him up after school one time. I couldn't believe the fucking nerve. |
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