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[FL] how can i build a background bass (or any element) gradually over time? say 8 beats before bringing the bassline back in. or is that a stupid question?
i got sidechaining working with the peak controller and fruity compressor, is it something similar to that?

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Originally posted by rubez [FL] how can i build a background bass (or any element) gradually over time? say 8 beats before bringing the bassline back in. or is that a stupid question? i got sidechaining working with the peak controller and fruity compressor, is it something similar to that?

"FL is toss."
"It's a toy."

"just to be clear: FL is cheap. its oversimplified. everything is presets. u cant manipulate it nearly half as much its 'rivals'. and it has a pretty gui for idiots like u to understand. no credible producer would shout about usuing this peice of shit. its even marketed as 'ideal for beginners'. the countless 'dance hits' made with FL come from knobhead bedroom producers. much like yourself."

YOU GOT OWNED SON

(http://www.tranceaddict.com/forum/s...12&pagenumber=6)
For those that missed this douchebags claim to fame.

As much of a wanker as you are, I am still going to help, because I'm awesome.

If you want to build the bass up, you need to automate either the channel volume or the mixer channel volume it is assigned to. Right click on one or the other and create an automation clip or edit the events straight into the pattern. If you have compressors and the like in the FX chain, then you have to automate the mixer volume, because it will do all kinds of weird things otherwise.

Fading is pretty old hat these days though, you're probably better off automating the cutoff on a filter or something like that.

sheesh - bit of a love hate thing you got going on there mate,

automate the filter or EQ or Vol or Saturator on your bass (if you have one)

Or automate all three, try em all until you find one that works well in your mix, I couldnt tell you how to automate in fruity loops as I've never used it but I do know the fruity filter is well cool so I would have a shot at automating the cut off on that

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Originally posted by echosystm "FL is toss." "It's a toy." "just to be clear: FL is cheap. its oversimplified. everything is presets. u cant manipulate it nearly half as much its 'rivals'. and it has a pretty gui for idiots like u to understand. no credible producer would shout about usuing this peice of shit. its even marketed as 'ideal for beginners'. the countless 'dance hits' made with FL come from knobhead bedroom producers. much like yourself." YOU GOT OWNED SON (http://www.tranceaddict.com/forum/s...12&pagenumber=6) For those that missed this douchebags claim to fame.

i said vanguard was toss and a toy, stupid ****

FL is a whole differnet thing. theres nothing simple about it apart from its great intuitiveness. it has endless features and options.. unlike vanguard. wank

this was there original qutote "just to be clear: vanguard is cheap. its oversimplified. everything is presets. u cant manipulate it nearly half as much its 'rivals'. and it has a pretty gui for idiots like u to understand. no credible producer would shout about usuing this peice of shit. its even marketed as 'ideal for beginners'. the countless 'dance hits' made with vanguard come from knobhead bedroom producers. much like yourself."

this LOSER has nothing better to do than copy and manipulate other posts. arse bandit.. and i never read any reply from you to my questions. "your so awesome".. fanny

I usually just create an automation clip on the volume control or fruity free filter.

Rubez, I don't think he was trying to edit ur post behind ur back, he was trying to show you that the same arguements you use against vanguard can be said about FL as well, and it's true.. FL is the Vanguard of Sequencers.

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Originally posted by gwrmarines I usually just create an automation clip on the volume control or fruity free filter.

cheers ill try it out

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Originally posted by mysticalninja Rubez, I don't think he was trying to edit ur post behind ur back, he was trying to show you that the same arguements you use against vanguard can be said about FL as well, and it's true.. FL is the Vanguard of Sequencers.

say what?

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Originally posted by mysticalninja Rubez, I don't think he was trying to edit ur post behind ur back, he was trying to show you that the same arguements you use against vanguard can be said about FL as well, and it's true.. FL is the Vanguard of Sequencers.

taint true. u could quite easily learn vanguard inside out. FL never, u can learn new stuff all the time, even if youve used it for years. big difference. shit analogy.

using fruitly versus for example cubase, doesnt limit u in anyway. its just a different way of doing things.

whereas vanguard is limited compared to other synths

I don't understand how you know all this? I thought you were new to producing?

I personally did not like the way you arranged your productions in FL i far prefered Cubase and now I use Reaper which although still a little buggy has ALOT of flexibility when routing audio.

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Originally posted by flutlicht junky I don't understand how you know all this? I thought you were new to producing? I personally did not like the way you arranged your productions in FL i far prefered Cubase and now I use Reaper which although still a little buggy has ALOT of flexibility when routing audio.

know all what? ive only just started producing, more just mucking around at the moment. i like FL, it is very intuitive. u can start using with good effect it without breaking out the manual just to see how the basics work. but also the more experienced you get with it, the more possibilites open up. it can be for beginners but its up to you if u want to see it through to a professional level.

if i had started production using cubase with no manual id probably be stumped and wouldnt be as far as i am with FL just now. theres no proof FL is limited in any way compared with cubase etc.

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Originally posted by rubez i like FL, it is very intuitive. u can start using with good effect it without breaking out the manual just to see how the basics work. but also the more experienced you get with it, the more possibilites open up. it can be for beginners but its up to you if u want to see it through to a professional level.

That exact same paragraph could be applied to Vanguard.

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Originally posted by G-Con That exact same paragraph could be applied to Vanguard.

but u could learn vanguard inside out very easily, get bored of it and want to jump to a better synth that is more progammable.

thats the difference, FL u wouldnt need to jump ship to another product to keep up creativity once u have a lot of experience with it.

I can guarantee you that as someone who is new to music production, it would take you a long time to be able to honestly say that you have mastered vanguard and have outgrown it. It doesnt really work like that with synths anyway. If one synth is simple and another is very complicated, there is a fair chance that for years you will be producing better sounds with the simple one. Does that make it better?

I would build the bassline up using velocity CC messages rather than automating any mixer faders as it allows greater control.

Plus you can quickly drop the bass away 1/4 of a bar before slamming in. If you want a big start you can increase the velocity by say 5 or 10 pionts so when it kicks in the volume increases very veyr slightly so you feel rather than directly hear it. Same for kicks too.

Alternatively in the mastering stage you could apply compression for the same effect after a drop with a slower attack so the initial say 1sec full seq is not caught and comrpessed as much by the compressor.

at first i used fl but found it dull ! reason 2.5 i loved but because u cant use vst's in it moved to cubase sx an have never looked back...

to be honest i found fl hard to find my way round but found reason and cubase very easy !!

damn, ever since rubez showed up there hasnt been a dull day in the production forum...

for this i salute you.

hehe I love FL, and I like vanguard. These threads are amusing.

The TB303 was given away with numerous synths in the 80's. Some people said it was a toy . However toys are fun to play, and having fun while making music translates into cool tracks.

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Originally posted by rubez but u could learn vanguard inside out very easily, get bored of it and want to jump to a better synth that is more progammable. thats the difference, FL u wouldnt need to jump ship to another product to keep up creativity once u have a lot of experience with it.

not true, you can't get bored of vanguard, it can do things vstation can't, and vstation can do things it can't. Vanguard has so many unique oscillators and filter types I don't see how you can't like ANY of them.

Know what I think you're problem is? Vanguard doesn't have built in EQ, thus the presets aren't EQd for you so you have trouble using the presets in songs cause you need to eq them yourself.

you're making me want to rip on FL, but I won't, because it doesn't deserve it, and either does vanguard. I'll say it again though, Fruity Loops IS the Vanguard of Sequencers.

The velocity thing flutchlit said is a good one. like, you can go back to basics by automating simple MIDI changes and somtimes come up with a cleaner result. You could just automate the filter frequency to increase synth intensity as you come in, or maybe even resonance. If its a sawtooth bass your working with, bringin in FM grinds it up nice. If you have a delay on the synth, you could play around with the dry/wet or feedback to add intensity but somtimes this can cause problems with overlapping delays, you have to get it just right. In general, its just a case of dragging the record back to the beginning of the 8 bars then messing about with diff knobs over the course of the 8 bars and when you find somthing good just record it in man. but obviously when your messing round with the knobs either remeber where they were in the first place or save the song, dont wanna irreversibly change something you cant change back.

i love vanguard for my mid and high layers for my basslines!!!

some great gritty sounds

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If its a sawtooth bass your working with, bringin in FM grinds it up nice.

recommend a synth?

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Originally posted by rubez but u could learn vanguard inside out very easily, get bored of it and want to jump to a better synth that is more progammable.

Honestly, how the fuck can you claim to know how easy it is to learn something "inside out" when you haven't even learned 10% of what it can do, or even the basic concepts behind it what it does? You really need to learn how to keep your mouth shut. I can only assume you take out your frustration on the internet because you always get the shit kicked out of you face-to-face.

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Originally posted by mysticalninja recommend a synth?

Just any synth man, theyre all good in their own way, you can make a fisher price keyboard sound good if thats the sound you want. The softsynths I personally use are... the synths in Reason, because i usually rewire Reason with Cubase. Just a personal preferance, fun and functional. For VST's i have loads but the ones i always seem to use, so must be the ones I like are.. the old Juno X2 which has now been banned or whatever, Z3TA+ believe the hype, tassman for analogueish noises , pro 53 for prophet 5 noises. Imp Oscar occassionally, VStation's good, junglist, Plex. I have never tried this vanguard, but im sure id probly like it, I like all synth's, but tend to just gravitate to ones i know i can get a sound out of, that i personally want to sound like. Even if a synth is old and weak you can still get good sounds. I dont even think it matters if somthing is cheap or a toy if you can get it to sound good, some toys make good noises. I know James Holden produced some of his work using Jeskola Buzz, ill leave it up to you lot to decide if thats a toy or not but,it is free...

here's a cheap synth i'd love to own, I really should buy it but id end up buying allsorts..

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Gnat-Synthesi...1QQcmdZViewItem

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