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Posted by cyrus2k2 on Apr-09-2002 18:25:

searchin' for that special sound...

Hi there,

I got a BIG problem. I'm in search of that cool synth sound which is used in a lot of trance tracks. the newest one, and probably one of the best is rank 1 - awakening.
i cut some samples of different tracks so you can imagine the sound i'm searching. It's a some kind of synthstring/hard lead.
I used the 3Osc in FruityLoops to 'emulate' this sound but I can't figure out how to copy it exactly. It always sound to dirty, you can hear the saw-waveform.
Does anybody got some presets for softsynths or can you tell me what softsynth is good for that type of sound. Or you got a sample of it?

Who can help me? Big thanx...

sample1: http://rsr.host.sk/request/synth01.mp3
sample2: http://rsr.host.sk/request/synth02.mp3

Posted by mantisnl on Apr-10-2002 11:18:

well.. the key 2 it is that u must use the fx channels

put the 3xosc on for instance fx channel 2 and put reverb, delay, eq and flanger on that channel.. tweek some knobs at them.. and then begin tweaking the 3xosc..

it worx for me so.. give it a try m8

oh jeh.. i like that 1st track.. howz it called??

greetz,

DJ Mantis

Posted by cyrus2k2 on Apr-10-2002 11:53:

I used some fx on that synth, of course. but still it sounds to hard and dirty. it's that typical saw-sound. perhaps i should use a lowpass and change the cut/res.

do you have some presets for the 3osc or any other synth you could send me by mail?

sample1 is taken from paul van dyk's mayday 2001 set. but i don't know the name of the track.

Posted by mantisnl on Apr-10-2002 11:56:

sure.. just gimme ur adres and i`ll send u sumthin`

Posted by Passiva on Apr-10-2002 15:04:

quote:

oh jeh.. i like that 1st track.. howz it called??

greetz,

DJ Mantis

David Forbes - Questions Must Be Asked

And uhh.. Can you send some presets also to me?
My email = [email protected]

Thnx m8!

Posted by Shoes on Apr-10-2002 15:12:

If it's not too much trouble, could you send those presets/FLPs to me too? I need some more synths, and I'm too inexperienced to make my own yet (Had FLP for 2 months).

Email = [email protected]

Ta

Posted by mantisnl on Apr-10-2002 15:48:

heya.. thnx for giving me the track name

the presets are on there way

greetz,

DJ Mantis

Posted by Passiva on Apr-10-2002 16:49:

quote:
Originally posted by mantisnl
heya.. thnx for giving me the track name

No problem m8.. But I forgot that it's a remix. So the name is:

David Forbes - Questions Must Be Asked [Magika Mix]
that should work!

Thnx for sending the presets!

GrEeTz

Posted by dj dimwit on Apr-15-2002 11:45:

This is exactly what I wanted to know too!
But what sample do I need to use with Fruity?? I have lots of one-shot synths, but no one comes close to a phat trance sound

Help me please
quote:
well.. the key 2 it is that u must use the fx channels. Put the 3xosc on for instance fx channel 2 and put reverb, delay, eq and flanger on that channel.. tweek some knobs at them.. and then begin tweaking the 3xosc.. it worx for me so.. give it a try m8

Posted by mantisnl on Apr-15-2002 13:25:

just begin out with an new 3xosc.. then do whot i told

if u wan the presets, plz ask the other ones 2 send it coz i`m 2 lazy 2 send it agian

Posted by dj dimwit on Apr-15-2002 13:30:

quote:
just begin out with an new 3xosc.. then do whot i told

Ok. Ik heb nog maar net FruityLoops dus ik weet er weinig van.
Maar is het nu wel of niet mogelijk om daarmee ECHTE trance sounds te maken? Anders ga ik op zoek naar een ander proggie

(Handig dat Nederlands, niet?)

Posted by mantisnl on Apr-15-2002 13:35:

k.. maar we blijven wel int engels praten.. das gewoon een regel hier opt forum..
duz.. we schakelen nu weer over

well.. ok.. do u have msn or sumthin? then i can give u some tips and i can send u the presets trhough that ok??

greetz,

DJ Mantis

Posted by dj dimwit on Apr-15-2002 13:39:

O well......sorry. I didn't know English was a rule here
I think it should be Dutch...

Yup, I have msn : [email protected]
Thanx for the help so far

Posted by Joi Lamusic on Apr-15-2002 15:25:

Mantisnl, could U send those presets/FLPs to me too?

[email protected]

Posted by mantisnl on Apr-15-2002 15:56:

ok.. they r sent..

ok.. 2 other ppl that want those presets: plz ask the above persons 2 send them 2 ya, coz i don`t like 2 send them over and over again.. i hope u`ll understand

greetz,

DJ Mantis

Posted by Taz on Apr-29-2002 06:09:

There's more to that sound than sawtooths (or is it sawteeth?); try getting your hands on a JunoX2 plugin. Or layer more than one 3osc, filter each differently and add effects to taste. Bandpass might help to give it that horn-ish "blatt" sound.

ANYBODY - What's the name of the second track? Sounds amazing!
Thanx in advance.

Posted by cyrus2k2 on Apr-29-2002 06:39:

it's a short sample of 'rank 1 - awakening'

Posted by Taz on Apr-29-2002 22:37:

Thanks!

BTW here's my own little approximation of the sound and some of the techniques described, if you want to check it out:

http://members.tripod.com/~music66/davesong.flp

Just right-click on it and change the extension from .htm to .flp.

I don't really know the song, so the downbeat's probably in the wrong place. But you'll get the picture. It's all done with 3osc's and stock effects. Let me know if it loads properly!

Posted by cyrus2k2 on Apr-30-2002 13:52:

Wow, this synth-preset is great! Good work dude!
I played around with that fruity-file of you, tweaked some fx, the melody and some other stuff. Now here is my version:
http://rsr.host.sk/preview/pvd.zip

It's really funny. Almost exactly one year ago, paul van dyk played this song in his set at 'Mayday 10in01'. And today i see how easy it is to get his sound with that cool piece of software called FruityLoops.
Lets see what he is doing tonight. I guess he will drive the crowd crazy...
Anybody there tonight? for me, i got some other things to do. but i'll record the radio-broadcast. it's about 10 hours, i think.

Don't forget: It's MAYDAY!!!

Posted by Joi Lamusic on Apr-30-2002 14:28:

Taz, really nice sound!!! Wow

Posted by Taz on Apr-30-2002 18:08:

Thanks!

quote:
Originally posted by cyrus2k2
I played around with that fruity-file of you, tweaked some fx, the melody and some other stuff. Now here is my version:
http://rsr.host.sk/preview/pvd.zip

The pvd.zip doesn't open on my end unfortunately.

quote:
Wow, this synth-preset is great!

Preset? PRESET?!? WE DON'T NEED NO STINKIN' PRESET!!

quote:
...And today i see how easy it is to get his sound with that cool piece of software called FruityLoops.

Well Fruityloops is just another one of those programs with lots of options and flexibility. Once you have that, it's all skills.

Let's have a closer look at the lead sound:
3osc - Two detuned sawtooths, and one sawtooth an octave up to brighten things. SD stands for Stereo Detune, gives it a stereo fatness. SP is Stereo Phase Offset - makes it stereo without really detuning.

Look at the volume envelope (that's VOL in the INS section) I've adjusted the decay, sustain level and release times so the sound doesn't just cut off but has a bit of what sounds like reverb.

The filter is BP - a bandpass to give it a bark. Note the cutoff envelope settings (CUT in the INS screen). Hold is all the way down so it's just decay doing all the work to give it a slight "bowww" kind of effect. Gives it punch.

Then the effects: Delay to give it rhythm and bounce. Flanger - there's too much going on to describe, except that it gives more motion and thickens the sound further. If you bring up the delay knob (1st one) it becomes less of a jet flanger and more like a chorus/detune effect.

And of course the key to it all: that big reverb. It's a technique borrowed from 70's and 80's arena rock, when they wanted to get that stadium sound on the records. Think Van Halen or any metal album from the late 80's.

Ah yes and the notes: It's just parallel harmony in sixths with roots in the bass, a technique known as open voicing, so you can use a fat sound without clutter.

Stay in school, peeps!
(Mind you, some of you might know all this stuff already.)

BTW, which mix of Awakening is in the sample, is it the original?

Posted by Joi Lamusic on Apr-30-2002 20:42:

Yeah, I can't open the pvd.zip either

Taz, U are giving quite nice tutorial over here!! Thanks alot! And keep on teaching

(I still have sooooo much to learn)

Posted by cyrus2k2 on May-01-2002 12:11:

hmmm, i dunno exactly which version it is. i think it's the extended mix. it's about 6:02.

Posted by Taz on May-02-2002 13:12:

Yep, that's the one. Thanks!

Disappointing intro, though. See related thread:
http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...?threadid=44854

Posted by cyrus2k2 on May-02-2002 20:43:

Hmm, i don't know why that download of my flp doesn't work. anyway, i made some more versions out of that track and now it seems to become a nice little remix. here's my newest try on that tune. give it a try: http://rsr.host.sk/preview/hymn.mp3

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