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Exploration of Sound ( to all producers )

Hi People !

It's time to find out how to get the real phat sounds with software only
But for this it needs more than the lousy factory presets of software synths. It needs people who have ideas and creativity. People like

Peter Campbell, Gil Schwartz, Lighworks, Robstar alias Parker,Ultima ( who did this Rank 1 Remix ), Dumondefan, Trancenation and Dy Myndless ...and surely all producers who are really willing to make great uplifting trance music.

I want to start up a project for exploring how to reproduce the fat sounds...
I want You all to join me in finding and exploring how to make real
good sounds without spending thousands bucks for expensive hardware.

Trancevision

well.. allmost everything is 2 achieve with software, u just have 2 spend lots of time on it.. and u have 2 have lots of programs and ofcourse a bit knowledge of music and synth programming

i`ve acchieved 2 make some nize phat synths but the synth isn`t always the key 2 a phat sound, the melody is also, how its build, for instance an melody with only 1 not at a time playing doesn`t sound as phat as for instance an chord of it, so good usage of notes is needed too..

well.. i dunnow whot u mean.. by that project, are u gonna make tracks with it also??

greetz,

DJ Mantiz

ps. why aren`t i in that above list

ghehe.. j/k

yeah....and the bumside with extremely phat sounds is that they often don't fit well in a mix.

If you hear nothing and play the keyboard with that sound you go woaaaa! and if you put it in your mix it clutters up your entire mix....phatness isn't always the way to go.

Make sure for instance you don't make your sound so "phat" that it has lots of low, lots of mid and lots of high. Depending on the music of course....if you make minimal techno very phat sounds are good, as the only thing that can get in the way is pretty much the kick. But if you have a full blown trance track, it can't hurt putting a "phat" sound thru a high pass filter or an EQ so that it doesn't get in the way of the kick and bassline.

a mix is a delicate thing! the thicker a synth sounds on it own, the more it tends to rumble right thru your delicate mix.

anyways. Key to phatness is usually detuning as many oscillators as ya can miss (unison!)

@mantis, sorry I didn't download many of your tracks until now, didn't want to hurt you. ;-)
I didn't mean to produce whole tracks together, I thought about creating sounds by sharing knowledge and samples, e.g. how to get a bassline like Cosmic Gate, or the uplifting
Sound of Rank 1 tunes, the great riffs of Ferry Corsten ...

@Pjotr G : I know that you have to make sure that your sounds fit well together and that too phat sounds overdominate probably in a mix.
Melody is important, but you can ruin a whole song if the sound of your bassline or your melody is boring.


What do the others think about this ?

quote:

Originally posted by Trancevision e.g. how to get a bassline like Cosmic Gate

Got rebirth? open it, start a clear song. put one 303 on 4 steps, waveform on square (saw also works, different sound).

on step 1 silence, but make sure the "active" note is low C (lowest key on the tiny 303 keyboard) becuz step 4 slides back to this
on step 2 nothing
on step 3 note of a low C (lowest key on the tiny 303 keyboard) + slide
on step 4 no note, but make sure high C is "active"(highest key on the tiny 303 keyboard) + slide

so only on step 3 there is a note

knobs:
tune 12 o'clock (middle)
cutoff 2 o'clock
reso 7 o'clock (shut)
env mod 12 o'clock
decay 7 o'clock
accent 7 o'clock

w00t! cosmic gate bassline (as used in their remix of destiny's path....fuck

scrap this it's a warmdusher bassline not cosmic gate

well still fun

Another little trick is to layer your synths

For instance with reason create a new mixer (to compliment the one you have) unhook it from the other mixer by flipping it around and add it as an instrument

Add a Subtractor and connect it to the new mixer as an instrument, tweak it so it�s not to hard and not to soft keep the frequency in mid range, not to high not to low. Then copy the sub and past it two or more times and connect them to the new mixer. Create new sequencer tracks that coincide with the new subs and match the pattern of the old sub. Change the new subs cent values. Try to make one lower and harder and another significantly higher and softer (or vice versa, experiment). Doing this creates a more fuller sound. Also you can change the LFO for the individual subs, which sounds tight. You shouldn�t mess with a lot of the values because the subs stop sounding the same.


Another thing you can do so the bass �doesn't get in the way of the kick and bassline� like Pjotr G was talking about is to drop the lower sounds.

For example at the build up b4 the bass starts have all the subs playing at once, and when the bass starts, you can stop playing the lower ones. If your lower ones have the harder sounds that you want to keep you can start a new sub with the same values as the old sub but at a higher cent. You might also what to try and change other values to get read of the low sounds or like Pjotr said you can add FX like eq. If you do it right, the bass should not screw up the sound


have fun

bondor

Thank you for supporting this post and those hints how to create phater sounds.
My contribution to this will be the Reverse Reverb.
I think you all know this awesome Reverse Reverb when some reverbing sound comes before the vocal samples. If you don't know what I am mean
try this:

Take a vocal sample which has no or few reverbe and reverse it in your
Wav Editor.
Then add a Reverb with a long decay.
Reverse it again.

You now have an Reverse Reverb, which is often used in trance and other genres.

BTW, there are also Plugins who can handle this, like the Enverb in
Logic Audio.

Trancevision

Cool tips!

I can�t think of any tips right now but one thing u could to is the same thing as Trancevision talked about.
But instead of using Reverb use Delay.

I`ll try to come up with a few more tips...



LAterZ:.

Trancevision, that sample you posted was amazing! What did you make it with?

@robstar: cool , I will try with delay. I am curious to get some hints of you.

@micheal russo: This sample was made with Reason only.

For my next hint:

I am in desperate need for raw wave forms of hardware synthesizers.
If some can send me them or post them, I will be proud to present you, how to get the REAL sound into software

Trancevision


Don't let this post die. Post your hints, so that sounds can be better.

Just keeping the thread alive

thanks alot for the reverse reverb trick Trancevision!

Here's a small sample I made using Trancevision's tip + a phaser

tell me what you think of it

ok all that is good, but how do you make a sound of the synth like dumondee? I use 3x osc and pro 52...hmmm even with all the editing, sampling and mastering...still cant make the phat sound. One day, ill figure it out.

Haak... really good work! What synth did you use?

@Haak...Sounds great, with phaser it is even much better than I did it
in the past.

@Russ Castella: a sound like dumonde - do you mean their typical lead synth which sounds like a mixture of a saw lead and a pizzicatto, or
do you mean "dumonde sound" in general ( Bassline, Pads, ... )

@robstar...waiting for professional tips


For my next hint:

I am still in desperate need for raw wave forms of hardware synthesizers ( do you know what I mean btw ??? ).
If someone can send me them or post them, I will be proud to present you, how to get the REAL sound into software

Trancevision

I just used a vocal sample from some accapella that said "oh yeah", no synths, unless you were talking about the bassline. That was made in reason

This idea is really great.
I myself have just begun working with software synths. Right now, the only thing I know is how to make a phat sound with the 3xosc.

I hope I can learn much more from all you guys
Don't let this thread die.

Tip 1) Go buy a Novation Supernova. You'll get the phattest sounds you've ever heard in your life.

Tip 2) For leads: Throw down multiple polyphony on ur tune.. like 3 or 4. Then Add chorus. Then add unison (dunno what this could be called in terms of software...). Then add alittle reverb, a little panning delay. Make 2 copies of ur main synth, putting one on left channel, one on right. Then you'll have a huge noise. Just make sure you start with a good patch

peoples. I quickly made a little sample for you all, following all my tips above

download it here http://www.djchrono-samples.tk

By the way, I also put a little sample of my work with phat zounds on
this page
http://www.dance-samples.tk/

Trancevision

Anyone have any good synthesis tips for pads or strings? I'm thinking of building a reaktor ensemble, and any advice would definately help.

Any tips for making ass shaking bass-lines with Fruity?

Any tips at all about making bouncing bass-lines wiht Fruity?

Bouncing/ass shaking basslines w/Frooty...

Could you give me an example? That concept can be applied to many things. For a good running bass, the TS404 does the trick nicely. Use LP12 in the filter section and a little less resonance than you'd normally use.

Most impotant tip - make sure you get to hear your stuff on a system that lets you hear subs! You need to know what's going on between 30-80Hz to get those basses right.

Taz, thanks again!! Nice advices

Well..Here are some songs where are bass-lines that I like

I love those Brooklyn Bounces bass-lines, their older stuff got really shaking basses (get ready to bounce) and Tank -Return of power & I hear those drums. ATB has nice bass also, but it isn't so bouncing... But ATB's older stuff (when he was in that Sequential One) has quite nice bass-lines. Kosmonova- On a house trip, Richi M-One life to live....

And some not so old stuff wich has bouncing basses: Norman Bass -How U like bass, Trance Allstars -Lost in love (I really love that original by Legend B)...And Kay Cee is WOW!

How to make a nice fat CPU killing lead

if youve got a lot of processing power to blow away on unison, crank your pro52 up to 32x... "analog" setting up between half/ or three quarters using 2 sawtooths that are just a bit detuned. turn the "vel" (velocity controlled VCF) on, adjust your filter/amp envelopes to your taste, put glide on about 1/6th... and extend your notes into each other while increasing the velocity. you should be able to get a nice building lead. dont forget to EQ/compress/filter it



for Mike Russo - not really for the pads, but you can get a free string synthesizer called "Cheeze Machine" (i think something along those lines) which is just a couple oscs, a phaser, chorus, and reverb in one handy little vsti package. i havent used it yet but it does indeed crank out the nice cheesy strings... if you used some sort of medium clip overdrive it also might be able to do the "hard trance lead" sound that everyone here is familiar with

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