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Overall pretty good Prime Minister. Our economy has been one of the most stable and successful in the world, and has performed better than at any time during our history. He has done great things for this country like the minimum wage, establishing peace in Northern Ireland and taken us forward into the heart of the EU.

However, he will not be judged on any of the good things he's done for this country, instead, his legacy will be judged on his decision to take part in America's war in Iraq...

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Originally posted by George Smiley However, he will not be judged on any of the good things he's done for this country, instead, his legacy will be judged on his decision to take part in America's war in Iraq...

...and allowing a lot of outsourcing of Britain's service based companies which wasn't exactly wonderful.
Mixed bag of good and bad really, but ya get that

We're the greatest nation on earth apparently, wonder what the americans think of that?

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Originally posted by Pheobius We're the greatest nation on earth apparently, wonder what the americans think of that?

He said that?

That's it. Those Brits are going down.

Damn, that's admirable. Brits win again, lol.

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Originally posted by George Smiley Overall pretty good Prime Minister. Our economy has been one of the most stable and successful in the world, and has performed better than at any time during our history. He has done great things for this country like the minimum wage, establishing peace in Northern Ireland and taken us forward into the heart of the EU. However, he will not be judged on any of the good things he's done for this country, instead, his legacy will be judged on his decision to take part in America's war in Iraq...

Your absoulutly right. And that is highly unfortunate. And our President will probably go down as starting World War 3. Its a shame to have these kinds of problems at this day and age. I think that they all need to grow up and play nice in the sand box. But that will never happen as long as we have Religion and Oil in the same melting pot. Its a shame what happened to Tony Blair. I do beleive he was used as a pawn. He seems like a nice man.

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Originally posted by Mommy420 I do beleive he was used as a pawn. He seems like a nice man.

Tony Blair was never a pawn. I think he has been a great PM whose legacy will be marred by an unpopular decision that he made, knowingly and willing, to take part in the war in Iraq.

Blair... one of americas greatest friend. I give it to blair, he dosent pussy out like the Spanish, after they go attacked they withdrew their forces Blair was there when Britain got attacked and let the enemy know that Britain wasnt going to backdown and that they were going to take the good fight till the end. Blair might be disliked towards his decision to integrate with the US in Operation Iraq. But our british friends cant forget that they VERY vulnerable to another attack by these thugs. Blair IMO will go down as an efficient PM that tried to do what was best for his country and for the world.

Blair is a damn pupet and a wanker. He has no guts, he is just a pussy in politics.

Nobody would remember that he was a prime minister.

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Originally posted by LatinLover Blair... one of americas greatest friend. I give it to blair, he dosent pussy out like the Spanish, after they go attacked they withdrew their forces Blair was there when Britain got attacked and let the enemy know that Britain wasnt going to backdown and that they were going to take the good fight till the end. Blair might be disliked towards his decision to integrate with the US in Operation Iraq. But our british friends cant forget that they VERY vulnerable to another attack by these thugs. Blair IMO will go down as an efficient PM that tried to do what was best for his country and for the world.

If you think the War in Iraq had anything to do with the "War on Terror" then you really are as stupid as you have come across on this forum...

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Originally posted by George Smiley If you think the War in Iraq had anything to do with the "War on Terror" then you really are as stupid as you have come across on this forum...

Right, because there is no terrorism in Iraq
I'd say, perhaps, Iraq has the least amount of terrorism in all the world? Hmm?

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Originally posted by George Smiley If you think the War in Iraq had anything to do with the "War on Terror" then you really are as stupid as you have come across on this forum...

your a dumbass. Hussein provided headquarters operating bases, training camps, and other support to terrorist groups fighting the governments of neighboring Turkey and Iran and Palestinian groups

The war on terror is not only Al Qaeda you know....

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Originally posted by George Smiley Overall pretty good Prime Minister. Our economy has been one of the most stable and successful in the world, and has performed better than at any time during our history. He has done great things for this country like the minimum wage, establishing peace in Northern Ireland and taken us forward into the heart of the EU. However, he will not be judged on any of the good things he's done for this country, instead, his legacy will be judged on his decision to take part in America's war in Iraq...

Economy is Browns work (and even then alot of people say it's inspite of him rather than because of him, watch the intrest rate...).

Minimum wage is good.

Northen Ireland... other peoples work alot again.... where was Peter Hain in the big party?

He's pulled us away from the EU by taking us into Iraq. Which of course will be his legacy.... the case for which has been proved to have been built on pillers of lies.

I'll admit he has been a strong leader but the case for the Iraq war was utter BS and was interntionally so.

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Originally posted by LatinLover your a dumbass. Hussein provided headquarters operating bases, training camps, and other support to terrorist groups fighting the governments of neighboring Turkey and Iran and Palestinian groups

and your a winner.

we had saddam contained for what? 12 years? so now you say that he was an enemy of iran, our enemy? jeez, you're really up on your not-so-current events.

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Originally posted by LatinLover The war on terror is not only Al Qaeda you know....

yes, as we've learned. it's apparently also american citizens. but i digress. from my understanding, the first front of this war on terror was to take out those responsible for 9/11. (psst. it was Al Qaeda and that guy with a dialysis machine). at no time were unfalsified connections made between saddam and the guys our president claims to be concerned with.

Further digression... sorry

I will say that i liked blair more when he was imitating clinton. his final years as dubya's lapdog didn't really do the man any good.

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Originally posted by ResonantDrag clinton.

aint shit! I mean Clinton could have been one of the greatest... but he fucked up. im not saying his dumb, imo he is one of the best thinkers out there, but he fucked up. people bitch about Bush and look at clinton a serial killer... he, and other First World nations, declined to send troops into Rwanda to stop the genocide there in 1994. More than 1 million Tutsis and Hutus were slain in internecine fighting in about three months. I mean imo at the time only Russia and the US could have done something, militarily.

I mean fuck, if i were clinton and knew i could have done something about it and didnt and then look at the aftermath. i wouldnt be able to sleep

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Originally posted by LatinLover aint shit! I mean Clinton could have been one of the greatest... but he fucked up. im not saying his dumb, imo he is one of the best thinkers out there, but he fucked up. people bitch about Bush and look at clinton a serial killer... he, and other First World nations, declined to send troops into Rwanda to stop the genocide there in 1994. More than 1 million Tutsis and Hutus were slain in internecine fighting in about three months. I mean imo at the time only Russia and the US could have done something, militarily. I mean fuck, if i were clinton and knew i could have done something about it and didnt and then look at the aftermath. i wouldnt be able to sleep

The US and the French both sent forces after the massacres have been done to Rwanda to help foreign nationals leave and in France's case, provide a buffer zone for the Rwanda rebels preventing wipeout of the Rwanda govt forces.

All within pretty much moments notice, when the UN Force Commander was pleading for troops to prevent the massacres.

As much as I would love to continue engaging my dear friend LatinLover (if that's what one would call it), I'll just throw my quick thought in for our dear Blair.

Truly one of man's (err, Bush's) best friends:



Don't let the door hit your fluffy little ass on the way out........

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Originally posted by MisterOpus1 As much as I would love to continue engaging my dear friend LatinLover (if that's what one would call it), I'll just throw my quick thought in for our dear Blair. Truly one of man's (err, Bush's) best friends: Don't let the door hit your fluffy little ass on the way out........

YEAH!!! A very nice point pal!

a great leader
a great friend

he will be remembered.

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Originally posted by Mommy420 I do beleive he was used as a pawn.

if you believe that then most of the other things you believe are suspect. honestly. you are pretty much alone in that belief.

Blair was his own man driven by his own values.

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Originally posted by Mommy420 Your absoulutly right. And that is highly unfortunate. And our President will probably go down as starting World War 3. Its a shame to have these kinds of problems at this day and age. I think that they all need to grow up and play nice in the sand box. But that will never happen as long as we have Religion and Oil in the same melting pot. Its a shame what happened to Tony Blair. I do beleive he was used as a pawn. He seems like a nice man.

Nah...

I don't give politicians right-of-way just because they were "misguided" or made a misjudgement.

It's their job to foresee the potential errors of misjudgement and make sure they don't happen. I'm not saying that we need a prophet up there, but if mistakes are made on this scale, then someone else probably needs to replace the failing party.

I hold him fully responsible for his part in the war, and his stepping down was the right thing to do on account of this.

The government has insane, nearly limitless in relativity, resources to devote to getting things RIGHT. There's just no room for mistakes in the post-nuclear information age.

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Originally posted by Mommy420 I do beleive he was used as a pawn. He seems like a nice man.

Not a pawn. More like a sucker for american intelligence lies.

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Originally posted by LatinLover your a dumbass. Hussein provided headquarters operating bases, training camps, and other support to terrorist groups fighting the governments of neighboring Turkey and Iran and Palestinian groups

Turkey? You mean the PKK? Saddam supported the Kurds?

As for anti-Iran terrorist groups and Palestinian terrorist groups, that has nothing to do with it because despite your claim below, the "war on terror" has everything to do with al-Qaida. It is not a war against Palestinian terrorist groups, it is not a war against Irish terrorist groups, it is not a war against Tamil terrorist groups, it is not a war against Latin American terrorist groups, and so on and so on. It is a direct response to the attacks committed by Sunni extremists on 11/09/01 and the subsequent seperate groups that have spawned since that date following the same ideology.

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The war on terror is not only Al Qaeda you know....

See above. And tell me who else it is about?

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Originally posted by Dervish Economy is Browns work (and even then alot of people say it's inspite of him rather than because of him, watch the intrest rate...). Minimum wage is good. Northen Ireland... other peoples work alot again.... where was Peter Hain in the big party? He's pulled us away from the EU by taking us into Iraq. Which of course will be his legacy.... the case for which has been proved to have been built on pillers of lies. I'll admit he has been a strong leader but the case for the Iraq war was utter BS and was interntionally so.

I agree with everything you say (but when you talk about other people being responsible for whatever altho it is true it happened on his watch and in 100 years time the history students will probably not draw the distinction!)

Basically, a hell of a lot of good things let down horribly by the Iraq war...

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Originally posted by Yoepus Right, because there is no terrorism in Iraq I'd say, perhaps, Iraq has the least amount of terrorism in all the world? Hmm?

My friend, you overlook a small but essential word - "had" not "has"

We made Iraq a terrorist (well, Islamist terrorist) haven, before the 2003 war, Islamists were about as welcome in Iraq as they were in Syria and Egypt!

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