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First, thanks for all the help with my last thread.

I tried a search for sidechaining, but didnt have much luck, so sorry if this has been covered.

I'm looking for a technique and/or some plugin suggestions to create sidechain compression in ableton live.

i know ableton lack that sidechain ability, so i'm wondering whats out there to get around this problem.

any help will be greatly appreciated!

Look into an awesome VST called Sidekick. Makes sidechaining very easy. You open one instance on the sound you want to duck, and another instance on the sound you want to key the duck. Its very adjustable and the best part, its FREE!! Grab it HERE



Enjoy!

Seconded, thirded etc this is a very good plugin and use can use four versiosn all running off one trigger. Top banana

Re: sidechain

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Originally posted by trance-ecj First, thanks for all the help with my last thread. i know ableton lack that sidechain ability, so i'm wondering whats out there to get around this problem.

ableton does not lack the ability. also if you google ableton sidechain you'll get about 5 awesome tutorials on how to do it... there are even a few youtube videos out there.

anyways get to know this:

http://www.ableton.com/forum/viewto...=asc&highlight=

i've written a few in there

thanks for the links.

VERY HELPFUL!

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Originally posted by Magnus Look into an awesome VST called Sidekick. Makes sidechaining very easy. You open one instance on the sound you want to duck, and another instance on the sound you want to key the duck. Its very adjustable and the best part, its FREE!! Grab it HERE Enjoy!

is this effective with cubase? ive always found sidechaining a pain in the ass in cubase.

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Originally posted by beats and beeps is this effective with cubase? ive always found sidechaining a pain in the ass in cubase.

yep
but the dxi one was better though... forgotten what its called. something or rather "mastering suite".

Too bad cubase 4 doesnt support dxi anymore

anything like this sidechain vst for mac? I have an intel mac and finding UB vst's is one of the hardest things when it comes to production for me. any free or for sale UB sidechain compressor vst's you guys know of? thanks..

I didn't really like this one plug in, couldn't figure it out in FL
Anything out there similar that lets you use route different sounds to one trigger? I hate adding a peak controller to everything I want side chained.

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Originally posted by Jmanch I didn't really like this one plug in, couldn't figure it out in FL Anything out there similar that lets you use route different sounds to one trigger? I hate adding a peak controller to everything I want side chained.

The peak controller method is not a real "sidechain" (as in sidechain compression), it's just gain ducking. They're two different things.

There is no difference between Cubase and FL (or any other for that matter) when it comes to this plugin. Put one instance on your kick/whatever mixer channel and set it to bypass + trigger. But another instance on your bass/whatever mixer channel and set it to duck. Both should be on the same sidechain channel (eg. "a").

It's not that hard, infact this is probably the easiest to use plugin out there. You're just stupid.

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Originally posted by echosystm The peak controller method is not a real "sidechain" (as in sidechain compression), it's just gain ducking. They're two different things. There is no difference between Cubase and FL (or any other for that matter) when it comes to this plugin. Put one instance on your kick/whatever mixer channel and set it to bypass + trigger. But another instance on your bass/whatever mixer channel and set it to duck. Both should be on the same sidechain channel (eg. "a"). It's not that hard, infact this is probably the easiest to use plugin out there. You're just stupid.

lol so they are two different things, thanks for clearing that up. Whats a real "sidechain" sound like? And can it be achieved with software?

lol I think my plugin was broken

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Originally posted by Jmanch lol so they are two different things, thanks for clearing that up. Whats a real "sidechain" sound like? And can it be achieved with software? lol I think my plugin was broken

lol I think you was broken

Gain ducking is where the volume of the mixer channel is reduced when the kick or whatever is triggered. A sidechained compressor activates a COMPRESSOR when the kick or whatever is triggered. They probably sound pretty much the same alot of the time, but with a compressor you're reducing the dynamics and not just the level. Hopefully that makes sense!

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Originally posted by echosystm lol I think you was broken Gain ducking is where the volume of the mixer channel is reduced when the kick or whatever is triggered. A sidechained compressor activates a COMPRESSOR when the kick or whatever is triggered. They probably sound pretty much the same alot of the time, but with a compressor you're reducing the dynamics and not just the level. Hopefully that makes sense!

lol
yea makes sense, basically it sounds almost identical and half the time you can't tell if someone is using either one correct?

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Originally posted by Jmanch lol yea makes sense, basically it sounds almost identical and half the time you can't tell if someone is using either one correct?

Weeeeeell!
A compressor gives you control over attack/release too, which I dont think the fruity peak controler has. So, in that sense, a sidechain can sound a lot different. But basically, the typical benni benassi sidechain think would sound similar using either method, it would just have more "pressure" using a sidechained compressor (lol). Try both and you'll see what I mean. It's a subtle difference, but I always prefer it.

Edit: you may be able to achieve the same effect by linking the "wetness" (?!) knob on a compressor to the peak controller.

Sidekick 3 doesn't work for me in Cubase 4. I am able to set it up correctly and get it to sidechain my bass. But the next time I load up the project the sidechaining is all wonky.

now eldritch will call you stupid .

I stumbled across this one not too long ago, and it seems to have some great options built in. That, and it's really easy to set up in ableton when you use the sends to route the audio.

Chunkware Vanilla:

http://www.chunkware.com/?page_id=4

-Alan

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Originally posted by Eldritch Sidekick 3 doesn't work for me in Cubase 4. I am able to set it up correctly and get it to sidechain my bass. But the next time I load up the project the sidechaining is all wonky.

YOURE STUPID!
...kidding

Strange. I haven't had any problems whatsoever

Prefer db Dynamics

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Originally posted by jupiterone Prefer db Dynamics

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Originally posted by echosystm yep but the dxi one was better though... forgotten what its called. something or rather "mastering suite". Too bad cubase 4 doesnt support dxi anymore

sucks

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Originally posted by echosystm sucks

Aha! Knew that was what you were talking about!

Hi Mates!
For Cubase users:

I have some good experience with th TC Native Bundle's Sidechaineer... it works pretty well
The only annoyng is that I must to re-enable the keys on each load.

Besides, TC Native Bundle is a very great combo!

Mauricio

Hmmm...with this sidechain thing - I've never been actually able to make it work. I know how to setup the sidechain properly in my sequencer, but what other things should be taken into consideration to make this work?

Does the bass pattern matter? If it's a syncopated bass line or a rolling type bass line, will it make a difference? Should the bass be compressed first and then have the sidechain compression on top or if you're sidechaining there should be no other compression on the bass track? What about the settings for the compressor? Surely they can't be the same as typical bass compression? So what are the suggested settings for attack, release, ratio and threshold when sidechaining? These settings never seem to be discussed in these sidechaining threads; only the actual setup of the sidechain is covered.

if u know what attack etc all do then u can easily set them to suit ur bassline...

draw over 1 bar in ur sequencer and for example use a pad, set the kick to sidchain the pad, hit play and start turning knobs!

start with attack at 0.0

i find i have to boost the volume of my signal more than my kick to get a good effect going...

Doing that on a sutained pad to get a rhythmic effect is something I can do easily, but sidechaining the kick and bass to reduce conflicting frequencies and maybe introduce some mild pumping is something I'm struggling with. The only time I was able to achieve good results with sidechaining was when I created a hardstyle pumping bass line, I haven't had any luck with rolling bass lines which are so popular in trance these days.

EDIT:

Could someone possibly post a sample of a kick and rolling bass with sidechain off and on?

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