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Posted by kadomony on Jul-10-2007 15:45:

Clipping In Tracks

I don't know if it's a fault of the producers or a fault of the digital purchase sites, but more and more I've been hearing a lot of tunes by established, professional producers with clipping in the track.

If it's the producers, SLOW DOWN and take your time getting your levels right!

If it's the digital purchase sites, somone's gotta fix that cause these great tunes are getting destroyed by all this clipping.

Posted by nefardec on Jul-10-2007 15:56:

the release of ame - shiro on beatport clips but the clips have been 'softened' so that it just sounds very distorted

the beatport version of bt - fibonacci sequence is terribly clipped

Posted by bobba lou on Jul-10-2007 15:58:

what do you mean by "download sites"

i think a better name to call em is "digital purchase sites"

its a ploy by to get you to purchase the vinyl..

Posted by kadomony on Jul-10-2007 16:00:

quote:
Originally posted by nefardec
the release of ame - shiro on beatport clips but the clips have been 'softened' so that it just sounds very distorted

the beatport version of bt - fibonacci sequence is terribly clipped

yea dude Shiro is a big example

Posted by adx on Jul-10-2007 16:11:

quote:
Originally posted by bobba lou
its a ploy by to get you to purchase the vinyl..

I have a few records that sound clipped too.

Ive been having good luck with Sonic CD creator as it has a track normalizer feature. It actually does work.

Posted by david.michael on Jul-10-2007 18:05:

quote:
Originally posted by adx
I have a few records that sound clipped too.

Ive been having good luck with Sonic CD creator as it has a track normalizer feature. It actually does work.

You can't "un-clip" a track. Normalizing does not accomplish that, unless you're talking about using that in your production process.

Posted by meDina on Jul-10-2007 18:37:

los angeles clippers

absolutely hate it when i get a track that clips
waste of $

Posted by [mart] on Jul-10-2007 21:30:

It's funny, really. Technology is improving all the time and yet when it comes to music, any advances in sound quality are being nullified through tracks being mastered way too loud.

Posted by Mr.Mystery on Jul-10-2007 21:32:

Posted by iammesol on Jul-10-2007 21:46:

quote:
Originally posted by [mart]
It's funny, really. Technology is improving all the time and yet when it comes to music, any advances in sound quality are being nullified through tracks being mastered way too loud.

Theres even a special on Yahoo about that right now.

Posted by kadomony on Jul-10-2007 21:48:

quote:
Originally posted by iammesol
Theres even a special on Yahoo about that right now.

link ploxz

Posted by idoru on Jul-10-2007 22:32:

quote:
Originally posted by [mart]
It's funny, really. Technology is improving all the time and yet when it comes to music, any advances in sound quality are being nullified through tracks being mastered way too loud.

It's not a matter of the technology that is available to us, it's the users who think that the louder a mastered track the better it will be.

Posted by capricorn15 on Jul-11-2007 00:20:

im surprised any label would even release a track with clipping. thats stupid

Posted by MrJiveBoJingles on Jul-11-2007 00:24:

Music does sound subjectively "better" to most people when played loud.

But there is an important distinction between "played loud" and "made loud." Some people seem to have forgotten that there are volume knobs on stereos.

Posted by Cobalt on Jul-11-2007 00:41:

quote:
Originally posted by bobba lou
its a ploy by to get you to purchase the vinyl..

I like this theory.

Posted by flavdave on Jul-11-2007 01:19:

I got Terry Grant - I'll Kill You off Beatport when it first came out and it clips really bad. I forget whether it was the original mix or Luke Chable's mix.

Posted by Quinders on Jul-11-2007 01:46:

Seems that stuff purchased off Beatport can be a problem. I've had a couple of tracks bought off Beatport that have clipped and generally been off poor sound quality - most recently Dominik Eulberg "Bionik" - listened to it once and immediately deleted it.

Posted by kadomony on Jul-11-2007 01:55:

my friend and i sent an email to BP earlier today, hopefully they take notice.

Posted by iammesol on Jul-11-2007 02:17:

quote:
Originally posted by kadomony
link ploxz

http://www.yahoo.com/s/624014

Posted by Domesticated on Jul-11-2007 02:36:

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, because my knowledge of mastering etc is pitiful, but I have been using this program for a few years to normalise all my mp3s.

It analyses a group of mp3s, detects clipping, then normalises them all to 89.9dB, or whatever level you want - all losslessly.

It works fine for me, and does actually seem to fix clipping, of which about 30% of the files I feed into it seem to do.

Posted by kadomony on Jul-11-2007 02:50:

quote:
Originally posted by Beat Blog
Someone correct me if I'm wrong, because my knowledge of mastering etc is pitiful, but I have been using this program for a few years to normalise all my mp3s.

It analyses a group of mp3s, detects clipping, then normalises them all to 89.9dB, or whatever level you want - all losslessly.

It works fine for me, and does actually seem to fix clipping, of which about 30% of the files I feed into it seem to do.

thats a good program, i used to use it alot.
problem is, it only works on maximizing tracks that dont clip already.

if a track is clipping, the data for the part of the waveform that is clipping is not recoverable.

Posted by Domesticated on Jul-11-2007 03:02:

quote:
Originally posted by kadomony
thats a good program, i used to use it alot.
problem is, it only works on maximizing tracks that dont clip already.

if a track is clipping, the data for the part of the waveform that is clipping is not recoverable.

I see.

Still, I like to normalise all my mp3s so that if I forget to use my gains at all during a set, it won't be so noticeable.

Posted by Mr.Mystery on Jul-11-2007 07:53:

quote:
Originally posted by kadomony
my friend and i sent an email to BP earlier today, hopefully they take notice.

Thing is, they only sell the products that have been provided to them by the labels, so there's nothing they can do to it, really. You'd need to start contacting the labels.

Posted by Pjotr G on Jul-11-2007 09:26:

Label: "Well if all the other tracks are loud like that, we CAN'T stay behind. People would be like, your track is soft!"

Posted by kadomony on Jul-11-2007 11:48:

quote:
Originally posted by Mr.Mystery
Thing is, they only sell the products that have been provided to them by the labels, so there's nothing they can do to it, really. You'd need to start contacting the labels.

Doesn't Beatport handle the wav to mp3 conversion though? I haven't had any problems with wavs from them, only mp3s. I think they're screwing up during the conversion, if they handle that aspect.

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