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Morphing between any sounds?

This is something I've wanted to do for a long time but I've been lazy and felt it would be too hard to do. Now I'm on a mission to make it work.

Here's an example. Say we have some kind of a long noise sweep, and I want to morph from the sweep to some pluck lead. So the sweep would slowly start pulsating and the noise would become a clear plucking tone. And I'm not talking about mixing the two but true morphing.

Obviously some synths have morphing capabilities between "scenes" or whatever they are called depending on the synth. But I'd like to do this between any sound source.

It would be very cool to morph the sound throughout the whole track, what was a soft pad on the breakdown would become a banging lead, vocals turning in to bass, or whatever you could possibly think of.

Does anyone have any ideas how it could be done, or actually used such effect before? I'm going to try it tonight and possibly post some clips if it works.

I would probably have to get the second sound modulating the first one, slowly rising the modulation depth and fading the modulated sound so that in the end there's only the second sound left. Any effects that can do this? Could some kind of a vocoder work?

Ummm, I think your only options are to export both sounds to wave and crossfade, or automate all the knobs on the synth till it's a different sound.

I think this is what the flopped hartmann neuron synth tried to do.

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Originally posted by mysticalninja Ummm, I think your only options are to export both sounds to wave and crossfade, or automate all the knobs on the synth till it's a different sound.

Yeah, automating all the knobs works and that's definitely the way to go when working on one synth only.

But crossfading is not what I want, cause then you would simply hear both the sounds at the same time, and the only thing changing is their volume. The first one just fades away and the second one fades in, that's not morphing. What I'm trying to do is to have only one sound playing, that morphs into the other one.

Yeah, I've heard the Neuron wasn't all that good.. Maybe there's something similar in software? I use Chameleon 5000 and it can morph between sounds but you need a certain kind of a sound for it to work.

How does chameleon 'morph' between sounds exactly? All it probably does is crossfade the two patches slowly.

Or maybe not.. Maybe it actually moves all the knobs for you slowly untill it's the new sound you want.. That would be pretty cool.. but I would like to know exactly what it's doing when you say 'morph' between two patches.

Just use automation to change everything from patch A to patch B.

Holy shit!

There it is, with some googling:

http://products.prosoniq.com/cgi-bi...detail&refno=42

It sounds so good it gives me shivers! Me gonna buy!
Check out the audio examples..especially this one of drum loop morphed to syhtetic choir:

http://www.prosoniq.com/html/audio/morph/loop2choir.mp3

That's what I'm talking about. And what could been found with a little bit more googling than I've done before..

wow I gotta try that thing!

http://www.prosoniq.com/html/audio/morph/atmo.mp3

I think I've just found my new favourite plugin

I think this is done using FFT algorithms to morph the harmonics of one sound into another. So its sort of similar to the way that some vocoders work, but a vocoder won't cover it, because all they do is take the spectral envelope of one track and mix it with the harmonics of another, the best you'll ever get here is a crossfade of those combinations of signals + the two dry signals.

What you want is a solution where both the spectral envelope and the harmonic content is morphed over time. This is done via FFT resynthesis, where the signal is analysed by breaking it down into a collection of sine waves, which you might be able to pull off in something like MAX/MSP or Kyma, which I think is how BT does it. But its hard and it takes a lot of CPU power. (And I could have been wrong about all of that just BTW)

Its good to see this plugin you've found though, looks like it might be what your wanting, but may not have the flexibility your after... Try looking at some MSP/SP/PD stuff maybe?

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Originally posted by kitphillips I think this is done using FFT algorithms to morph the harmonics of one sound into another. So its sort of similar to the way that some vocoders work, but a vocoder won't cover it, because all they do is take the spectral envelope of one track and mix it with the harmonics of another, the best you'll ever get here is a crossfade of those combinations of signals + the two dry signals. What you want is a solution where both the spectral envelope and the harmonic content is morphed over time. This is done via FFT resynthesis, where the signal is analysed by breaking it down into a collection of sine waves, which you might be able to pull off in something like MAX/MSP or Kyma, which I think is how BT does it. But its hard and it takes a lot of CPU power. (And I could have been wrong about all of that just BTW) Its good to see this plugin you've found though, looks like it might be what your wanting, but may not have the flexibility your after... Try looking at some MSP/SP/PD stuff maybe?

Thanks for the explanation! I'm gonna try the demo and see if it does what I want. From the audio examples it certainly seems so, I hope it just works as good as it sounds and has enough flexibility. I'm gonna look more into all this as it seems pretty interesting.

And as promised on the first post here is a clip. Only this was a lot easier than I thought Just made it in few minutes.
Simple bass sound morphs into a simple lead, no other effects used.

http://trancestate.net/audio/morph.mp3

anyone know if there's a UB mac version?

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Originally posted by SPAWNmaster anyone know if there's a UB mac version?

WOW! I want this too but its not out yet on Mac UB which f**kin' sucks.


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https://www.softwarehouse.biz/cgi-bin/product/P12937

"Prosoniq Working on Releasing Intel Products Later This Year

Karlsruhe, March 8th, 2007 -- According to the new 2007 development schedule all Prosoniq Mac developers are working on the transition of Prosoniq's technologies and products to the MacOS X Intel platform, and the updated products are expected to become available later this year. "This will not be a 1:1 transition", comments Bernhard Bouche, CEO at Prosoniq, "along with the move to the Intel plattform we will update all our products with new features and a new look. We expect this transition to be more than just an update to make them Universal Binaries, we want to move forward with the feature set and sonic quality as well". Please watch this space for more information over the next couple of months or consider subscribing to our newsletter which will keep you up to date with regard to product availability and upgrade paths."

This was on the news section on their site.

thanks both of you guys. well im looking forward to the new updates although if we're expecting a sound overhaul or update it may take a little bit :/

Wow, this is fantastic. I'm definitely going to play with this.

That accordion/perc loop is spectacular.

Kyma can do some crazy things with sound. They have a handful of samples on their site of just Audio Morphing.

http://www.symbolicsound.com/cgi-bi...ucts/SoundClips

But that price tag...yikes.

The Prosoniq deal is pretty cool. You can sorta hear sudden transitions in the sound, but i'm not complaining. Looks interesting for DJ use too.

Well, if I win the lottery, I know what I'm buying.

Just saw this thread while searching for something else, BLOODY AMAZING plugin! Could be REALLY fun to play with this while djing as well, not just as a vst for production. hmmmmm...

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Originally posted by Mikk Holy shit! There it is, with some googling: http://products.prosoniq.com/cgi-bi...detail&refno=42 It sounds so good it gives me shivers! Me gonna buy! Check out the audio examples..especially this one of drum loop morphed to syhtetic choir: http://www.prosoniq.com/html/audio/morph/loop2choir.mp3 That's what I'm talking about. And what could been found with a little bit more googling than I've done before..

by looking at that picture theres only mix A, mix B, volume, and what ever else it said . so i think its kinda just crossfades 2 sound through and effect.

i actually have done morphing a few months ago in reason. i had a low frequency synth playing some chords, then i increased the realese right and the freq slowed the attack, while turning up the level of sidechain. so when the beat dropped with it it was a pad bying side chained. i think thats was morphing. the malstrom in reason is pretty good for stuff like that. give it a try

Re: Morphing between any sounds?

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Originally posted by Mikk This is something I've wanted to do for a long time but I've been lazy and felt it would be too hard to do. Now I'm on a mission to make it work.

FM8 is the plugin to use when it gets to morphing. It's simple and it works flawlessly. They also have tutorials dedicated to this subject.

to be honest that morphing sounds just like crossfading with filters. the other sound gets filtered down while the other one is filtered up at the same time. a lot of the clips sound just like bandbass filter crossfades.

hardly something worth all that money imo.

I was wondering if they were using some kind of vocoding in there as well? Fading from becoming the carrier to the mod and opposite for the other channel, but not completely wet.

If not, I wonder about getting something like that to work. Could be interesting.

I can confirm that Cameleon (it's from Camel, so it's not spelled with the "H") actually does do this and does it well. You can tell it exactly how you want the "morph" to happen; just pick up to 4 sounds and set up an envelope along with an assload of other parameters. It isn't just a crossfade, it's really quite different.

Having said that - although it sounds really cool in theory, it's very hard to get a good sound out of in practice. Try it and see, though.

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